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Bipartisan question: Who still has faith in America's Federal election system?
Bipartisan question: Who still has faith in America's Federal election system?
By Vegas
9 Oct 2023 8:57 am in No Holds Barred Political Forum
11 Oct 2023 3:25 pm
How you were educated to follow social narratives come hell or high water doesn't change the results you are ignoring the basics of kinetic evolving for your adopted reality's sake of misleading every generation added forward now traditionally repeating social policies that created chaos in every society of one species fighting within itself to govern time when occupying space as ancestrally changing population left alive now, one at time collectively replacing the generations creating their unique DNA upon conceived.maineman » 11 Oct 2023, 3:00 pm » wrote: ↑ Let me give you a quick rundown on how I was taught to make political decisions: ... be it party or candidate. I look at the total scope of policies and philosophies. I then compare my personal beliefs with those of the party's platform or the candidate's stated campaign priorities. I highlight all those areas where there is disagreement. I then prioritize those disagreements as being either line-in-the-sand, game changers, or ones that I could live with or that I don't really have a strong feeling either way.
I listed for you several issues that I had with Donald Trump, and if I had agreed with his foreign policy priorities and his taxation philosophy and his women's health policies, or his environmental positions, perhaps what he did with the Eucharist in Council Bluffs - all by itself - could be forgiven... or what he said about my hero, John McCain, or walking into the dressing room at the Miss Universe contest to catch a free glimpse of his next piece of ***, or what he did with the Central Park Five... but the fact was, I disagreed with him on foreign policy and taxation, and women's health, and the environment AND his alienation of me with the other issues was just frosting on the cake.
I don't like his political philosophies and I don't like his personal behavior. And if he had not come down the golden escalator and Jeb Bush had been the 2016 nominee, I would STILL have voted for the other candidate, albeit reluctantly, because Jeb Bush was pretty lock step with Donald Trump on all those big ticket priorities/policy issues above, regardless of his vastly superior personal character.
I have one standard: my own political philosophy and I measure every candidate and party against that. There is NOTHING hypocritical about that in the least.
11 Oct 2023 3:28 pm
Seriously. I absolutely am dead set against the Republican Party on:
1. a woman's right to chose
2. progressive tax rates
3. environmental policies
4. foreign policy
5. the importance of alliances and treaties and the danger of Russia
6. the importance of the social safety net
7. the need for comprehensive benevolent immigration policies
8. the need for a strong professional career military
9. the need for a strong professional foreign service corps
10. the need for a strong professional cadre of public servants to effectively manage our national bureaucracy
11. the ease and safety of using mail-in balloting....to name eleven just off the top of my head without even consulting the party platforms.
FOR EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE ISSUES I STAND AGAINST THE GOP
But somehow, you think, that because there is film footage of Joe Biden sniffing a little girl's hair, or there is an unsubstantiated report by his daughter about some inappropriate touching, I should just forget all those really important issues and vote for a guy who, I have already told you has, for me, several personal proclivities and character flaws that I find disconcerting.
YOU'RE **** CRAZY.
1. a woman's right to chose
2. progressive tax rates
3. environmental policies
4. foreign policy
5. the importance of alliances and treaties and the danger of Russia
6. the importance of the social safety net
7. the need for comprehensive benevolent immigration policies
8. the need for a strong professional career military
9. the need for a strong professional foreign service corps
10. the need for a strong professional cadre of public servants to effectively manage our national bureaucracy
11. the ease and safety of using mail-in balloting....to name eleven just off the top of my head without even consulting the party platforms.
FOR EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE ISSUES I STAND AGAINST THE GOP
But somehow, you think, that because there is film footage of Joe Biden sniffing a little girl's hair, or there is an unsubstantiated report by his daughter about some inappropriate touching, I should just forget all those really important issues and vote for a guy who, I have already told you has, for me, several personal proclivities and character flaws that I find disconcerting.
YOU'RE **** CRAZY.
11 Oct 2023 3:31 pm
Vegas » 11 Oct 2023, 3:24 pm » wrote: ↑ How did you come to the conclusion that Biden's policies were better than Trump's. Biden has failed miserably:His mental condition is clearly less than competent. I have a difficult time comprehending how you think Biden is succeeding better than if Trump was president.
- Gas didn't start rapidly rising until Biden took office. Biden cancelled the Keystone pipeline. Why would you think that would be a great idea?
- The border is not nearly as secure as it was under Trump. NYC is flooded with immigrants to the point that they wanted to declare it a city emergency. The drugs are out of control.
- Inflation was at 9.2%. The worst it's ever been.
- Do you even want to talk about his policy in exiting Afganistan?
nice dodge. I stand with the Democratic Party platform. Not the GOP's.
Disagree all you like, but that just means we have different political philosophies... There is nothing hypocritical about that.
11 Oct 2023 3:32 pm
As always, when Trump does it, it's bad. When Biden does it, ehhhhh...oh well.maineman » 11 Oct 2023, 3:28 pm » wrote: ↑ Seriously. I absolutely am dead set against the Republican Party on:
1. a woman's right to chose
2. progressive tax rates
3. environmental policies
4. foreign policy
5. the importance of alliances and treaties and the danger of Russia
6. the importance of the social safety net
7. the need for comprehensive benevolent immigration policies
8. the need for a strong professional career military
9. the need for a strong professional foreign service corps
10. the need for a strong professional cadre of public servants to effectively manage our national bureaucracy
11. the ease and safety of using mail-in balloting....to name eleven just off the top of my head without even consulting the party platforms.
FOR EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE ISSUES I STAND AGAINST THE GOP
But somehow, you think, that because there is film footage of Joe Biden sniffing a little girl's hair, or there is an unsubstantiated report by his daughter about some inappropriate touching, I should just forget all those really important issues and vote for a guy who, I have already told you has, for me, several personal proclivities and character flaws that I find disconcerting.
YOU'RE **** CRAZY.
Are you going to address my questions from the previous post?
Blackvegatble's hypcorisy summed up in one post:
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Blackvegetable » 7 minutes ago » wrote: ↑7 minutes ago
Very simple questions...
From which you are running...
Blackvegetable » 7 minutes ago » wrote: ↑7 minutes ago
Very simple questions...
From which you are running...
11 Oct 2023 3:33 pm
maineman » 11 Oct 2023, 3:31 pm » wrote: ↑ nice dodge. I stand with the Democratic Party platform. Not the GOP's.
Disagree all you like, but that just means we have different political philosophies... There is nothing hypocritical about that.
LOL! I knew it @Z09 . He didn't answer. He blames me for what he is guilty of. I ask him a simple question, and then he dodges by accusing me of dodging.
Can I predict liberals or what?
Blackvegatble's hypcorisy summed up in one post:
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Blackvegetable » 7 minutes ago » wrote: ↑7 minutes ago
Very simple questions...
From which you are running...
Blackvegetable » 7 minutes ago » wrote: ↑7 minutes ago
Very simple questions...
From which you are running...
11 Oct 2023 3:39 pm
Vegas » 11 Oct 2023, 3:32 pm » wrote: ↑ As always, when Trump does it, it's bad. When Biden does it, ehhhhh...oh well.
Are you going to address my questions from the previous post?
Asked and answered.
I think Joe Biden is doing a remarkable job as president given the fact that he has to swim upstream against GOP resistance at every step of the way.
If Donald Trump were president, the administration would be moving in the opposite direction from those eleven key issues that I have with the GOP. Why in the world would I want that to happen? We already let him **** up one-third of SCOTUS with his three stooges, why would I want to give him a chance to inflict more harm?
11 Oct 2023 3:40 pm
Wow! that actually doesn't mean anything other than you picked a side of social consensus where all sides agree to disagree about how evolving is self evident all the time each ancestor has between conceived and dead as their body continues to evolve in a reversed cellular growth patterns started when conceived until decomposed.maineman » 11 Oct 2023, 3:28 pm » wrote: ↑ Seriously. I absolutely am dead set against the Republican Party on:
1. a woman's right to chose
2. progressive tax rates
3. environmental policies
4. foreign policy
5. the importance of alliances and treaties and the danger of Russia
6. the importance of the social safety net
7. the need for comprehensive benevolent immigration policies
8. the need for a strong professional career military
9. the need for a strong professional foreign service corps
10. the need for a strong professional cadre of public servants to effectively manage our national bureaucracy
11. the ease and safety of using mail-in balloting....to name eleven just off the top of my head without even consulting the party platforms.
FOR EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE ISSUES I STAND AGAINST THE GOP
But somehow, you think, that because there is film footage of Joe Biden sniffing a little girl's hair, or there is an unsubstantiated report by his daughter about some inappropriate touching, I should just forget all those really important issues and vote for a guy who, I have already told you has, for me, several personal proclivities and character flaws that I find disconcerting.
YOU'RE **** CRAZY.
11 Oct 2023 3:40 pm
Vegas » 11 Oct 2023, 3:33 pm » wrote: ↑ LOL! I knew it @Z09 . He didn't answer. He blames me for what he is guilty of. I ask him a simple question, and then he dodges by accusing me of dodging.
Can I predict liberals or what?
I answered your question in great detail. Clearly, you are not interested in honest, cordial debate. AMF.
11 Oct 2023 3:42 pm
Your details weren't great, very vague and open ended.maineman » 11 Oct 2023, 3:40 pm » wrote: ↑ I answered your question in great detail. Clearly, you are not interested in honest, cordial debate. AMF.
11 Oct 2023 3:55 pm
maineman » 11 Oct 2023, 3:40 pm » wrote: ↑ I answered your question in great detail. Clearly, you are not interested in honest, cordial debate. AMF.
You did not. I gave you 4 bullet points to address and your answer was "nice didge."
Please. Whatever dude. I win, you lose.
Blackvegatble's hypcorisy summed up in one post:
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Blackvegetable » 7 minutes ago » wrote: ↑7 minutes ago
Very simple questions...
From which you are running...
Blackvegetable » 7 minutes ago » wrote: ↑7 minutes ago
Very simple questions...
From which you are running...
11 Oct 2023 4:01 pm
The best way to tell you e won a debate against mainstain is when he gives you the "AMF" or "you're dismissed" ****.Vegas » 11 Oct 2023, 3:55 pm » wrote: ↑ You did not. I gave you 4 bullet points to address and your answer was "nice didge."
Please. Whatever dude. I win, you lose.
If you keep doing it repeatedly, he will eventually just put you on ignore citing that you are no longer worthy of his time.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people
11 Oct 2023 4:15 pm
RedheadedStranger » 11 Oct 2023, 4:01 pm » wrote: ↑ The best way to tell you e won a debate against mainstain is when he gives you the "AMF" or "you're dismissed" ****.
If you keep doing it repeatedly, he will eventually just put you on ignore citing that you are no longer worthy of his time.
I noticed. That's the usual MO for most libbys. They project their loss on their opponent. Oldest trick in the book.
Blackvegatble's hypcorisy summed up in one post:
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Blackvegetable » 7 minutes ago » wrote: ↑7 minutes ago
Very simple questions...
From which you are running...
Blackvegetable » 7 minutes ago » wrote: ↑7 minutes ago
Very simple questions...
From which you are running...
11 Oct 2023 4:54 pm
Stalemate by compromising agreeing to disagree isn't a victory nor a path for people to understand self evident evolving each, last generation added.Vegas » 11 Oct 2023, 3:55 pm » wrote: ↑ You did not. I gave you 4 bullet points to address and your answer was "nice didge."
Please. Whatever dude. I win, you lose.
11 Oct 2023 5:13 pm
So those are cogent bullet points?Vegas » 11 Oct 2023, 3:24 pm » wrote: ↑ How did you come to the conclusion that Biden's policies were better than Trump's. Biden has failed miserably:His mental condition is clearly less than competent. I have a difficult time comprehending how you think Biden is succeeding better than if Trump was president.
- Gas didn't start rapidly rising until Biden took office. Biden cancelled the Keystone pipeline. Why would you think that would be a great idea?
- The border is not nearly as secure as it was under Trump. NYC is flooded with immigrants to the point that they wanted to declare it a city emergency. The drugs are out of control.
- Inflation was at 9.2%. The worst it's ever been.
- Do you even want to talk about his policy in exiting Afganistan?
1. Because the world needs to reduce it's use of fossil fuel
2. I disagree with your assumption that size of the influx of immigrants is a result of the occupant of the oval office and not due to increased violence in central America and global economic instability caused by COVID.
3. Biden didn't "cause" inflation anymore than he "caused" COVID. The WORLD's economy dealt with global inflation. Ours was much less than other developed nations.... and have you seen what a **** job creation monster our economy has become under Joe?
4. Sure. his "policy" of exiting Afghanistan was years overdue. It was a no-win conflict that was a resource-bottomless pit. He got out with minimal damages - and certainly a lot cleaner than Ford did getting out if Viet Nam
Biden is attempting to implement the Democratic party's platform, which I totally support. Has he been totally successful? NO. But better, from my perspective, than ANY success Trump might have in implementing the GOP party platform which I firmly believe would do grave damage to our nation.
So Trump oogling Miss Universe titties is really low on my issues list. Defeating his party's platform is infinitely higher.
11 Oct 2023 7:16 pm
BUT THAT'S SIMPLY A FANTASY.Vegas » 09 Oct 2023, 12:08 pm » wrote: ↑ Yes, but they can show their disapproval of the system by simply not voting at all. Just think, what would happen if nobody voted? It wouldn't matter if a handful of people didn't vote, but if the whole country decided to stop, then that is a message.
UNDERSTANDING WE HAVE A UNIPARTY, I WOULD SEE REPUBLICAN VOTERS GIVING UP AND NOT VOTING BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF THE LEFTIST POLICIES ARE DOING THE MOST DAMAGE AT A FASTER RATE AND THOSE VOTERS UNDERSTAND THE EXTENT OF THE POISONED ELECTORAL PROCESS.
11 Oct 2023 7:19 pm
@Vegas I addressed your four bullets. Now it's your turn to read my truncated eleven-point list and tell me why I would EVER support Donald Trump or any other Republican when they all are diametrically opposed to me on ALL of those points?maineman » 11 Oct 2023, 3:28 pm » wrote: ↑ Seriously. I absolutely am dead set against the Republican Party on:
1. a woman's right to chose
2. progressive tax rates
3. environmental policies
4. foreign policy
5. the importance of alliances and treaties and the danger of Russia
6. the importance of the social safety net
7. the need for comprehensive benevolent immigration policies
8. the need for a strong professional career military
9. the need for a strong professional foreign service corps
10. the need for a strong professional cadre of public servants to effectively manage our national bureaucracy
11. the ease and safety of using mail-in balloting....to name eleven just off the top of my head without even consulting the party platforms.
FOR EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE ISSUES I STAND AGAINST THE GOP
But somehow, you think, that because there is film footage of Joe Biden sniffing a little girl's hair, or there is an unsubstantiated report by his daughter about some inappropriate touching, I should just forget all those really important issues and vote for a guy who, I have already told you has, for me, several personal proclivities and character flaws that I find disconcerting.
YOU'RE **** CRAZY.
11 Oct 2023 9:15 pm
maineman » 11 Oct 2023, 7:19 pm » wrote: ↑ @Vegas I addressed your four bullets. Now it's your turn to read my truncated eleven-point list and tell me why I would EVER support Donald Trump or any other Republican when they all are diametrically opposed to me on ALL of those points?
If you genuinely believed all of those things, then why do you defend Biden or at least think he is worse than Trump? Biden has proven to contradict your list.
Blackvegatble's hypcorisy summed up in one post:
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Blackvegetable » 7 minutes ago » wrote: ↑7 minutes ago
Very simple questions...
From which you are running...
Blackvegetable » 7 minutes ago » wrote: ↑7 minutes ago
Very simple questions...
From which you are running...
12 Oct 2023 12:11 am
Oh **** a papist.maineman » 09 Oct 2023, 3:17 pm » wrote: ↑ I know exactly why I dislike the clown, and I form my opinion from my own observations and in discussions with colleagues, friends, and family, not the media.
As a Christian, I dislike and distrust him for his clearly fake faith. He is a serial adulterer, he uses churches and Bibles as props, and he puts paper money on top of the consecrated body of Christ,
I gotta get that chomo **** back on this guy...
Those are the reasons I like him.maineman » 09 Oct 2023, 3:17 pm » wrote: ↑ to name four quick ones off the top of my head.
As a retired military man, I dislike him for:
1. his disparaging remarks made about many of my lifelong heroes
2. his pandering to Kim Jong Un at the expense of US force readiness in the Pacific Rim
3. his insulting remarks about disabled veterans
4. his divulging super sensitive top secret information about nuclear submarines to random Australian billionaires
5. His weakening of NATO,
maineman » 09 Oct 2023, 3:17 pm » wrote: ↑ to mention five quick ones off the top of my head.
As a man who is not prejudiced, I dislike him for:
1. claiming that those were good people carrying Nazi flags in Charlottesville.
2. calling for the execution of the Central Park Five
3. refusing to rent to minorities as an NYC landlord.
You lying sack of **** - you would never rent to ***. **** you, ya pompous fraud.
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
12 Oct 2023 12:13 am
Bro, there is not an adult in america - including and especially black americans - who wants to rent to black americans.Vegas » 11 Oct 2023, 9:15 pm » wrote: ↑ If you genuinely believed all of those things, then why do you defend Biden or at least think he is worse than Trump? Biden has proven to contradict your list.
He is lying through his **** biscuits.
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
12 Oct 2023 2:12 am
Vegas » 11 Oct 2023, 9:15 pm » wrote: ↑ If you genuinely believed all of those things, then why do you defend Biden or at least think he is worse than Trump? Biden has proven to contradict your list.
In fact, Biden doesn't contradict anything on my list and that only proves your inability to read.
I KNOW that Biden stands with me - and against Trump and the GOP - on all eleven points.
You are clearly an illiterate moron and gadfly.
Run along and hump someone else's leg.
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