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Cannonpointer » 12 Oct 2023, 1:24 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Oct 2023, 1:24 pm

Okay, I will accept that you are this stupid. I am going to treat your question as genuine, and explain it to you as I would a child. 

POLITICALLY, I want my country to honor the social contract and spend my tax dollars inside our borders - not on strangers.
TEMPERAMENTALLY, I side with the palis.

You done, fruit?  

Now, get shod.

Now we're getting somewhere.

You and I are closer in agreement than you and sumo are... but for some reason you took his cue to give me **** about it.

Do y'all two got something going on I don't know about. Like some kinky internet **** or something?

 
 

Cannonpointer » 12 Oct 2023, 1:27 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Oct 2023, 1:27 pm

I see what has you dancing in your panties NOW.

His reference - IN QUOTES - to these, "I don't take sides" mfers. 

Well, fruity, I DO TAKE SIDES. I HAVE TAKEN SIDES. I SIDE WITH THE PALESTINIANS. CLEARLY. 

Now, get a grip on something besides your boyfriend's dick. 

POLITICALLY, I side with AMERICA. I honor the social contract, unlike secret neocons who want MY money to go to THEIR penis-donors.

This post says different...

Cannonpointer » 11 Oct 2023, 10:47 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Oct 2023, 10:47 pm

This is true - which makes the israelis terrorists.

This is also true, which makes the palis terrorists.

The question is, should we side with the terrorists that are provoking a terrorist response; the terrorists who are responding to terrorism with terrorism; or none of the above?

I'm for none of the above.

...check the part in bold.

 
 

Vegas » 11 Oct 2023, 2:05 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Oct 2023, 2:05 pm

I am not condoning the Israel attack. But let's be honest, Israel is a professional victim. They always do a great job turning themselves into the victims and making other groups look evil.

Let's be honest again. Israel are bullies and oppresses other groups. They have for a long time. So, why should the Hamas be considered terrorist?

it would have been better if the palestinians  went to the UN but.........

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Why this moment is so explosive for Israel and PalestineThe new Israeli government that took office in January is brazenly exclusionary and illiberal. It has declared in its own guidelines that the “Jewish people have the exclusive and indisputable right to all parts of the Land of Israel,” and it has already taken steps to strengthen settlements and push punitive measures against Palestinians for going to the United Nations and International Criminal Court.But the actions that have foreclosed the possibility of a two-state solution are decades in the making — a trend that has been concealed by the persistence of US politicians discussing Israel and America’s shared democratic values. Successive US administrations have said that there is “no sunlight” between the US and Israel, and that the security relationship is “ironclad.” Biden national security adviser Jake Sullivan on a recent trip described the US commitment to Israel as “bone deep.” That narrative is now a much tougher sell with Israel’s undemocratic forces ascendant.
 

RedheadedStranger » 12 Oct 2023, 1:29 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Oct 2023, 1:29 pm

Now we're getting somewhere.

You and I are closer in agreement than you and sumo are... but for some reason you took his cue to give me **** about it.
 

I simply responded to your false equivalencies and dishonest narratives. I didn't even accuse you of lying when you ran false narratives. I gave you the benefit of the doubt that maybe you were stupid.

RedheadedStranger » 12 Oct 2023, 1:30 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Oct 2023, 1:30 pm

This post says different...

...check the part in bold.

Yes? And?
 

Cannonpointer » 12 Oct 2023, 1:38 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Oct 2023, 1:38 pm

Yes? And?

Yer a fence rider, just like me... except you pretend yer not.

 


 

RedheadedStranger » 12 Oct 2023, 1:50 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Oct 2023, 1:50 pm

Yer a fence rider, just like me... except you pretend yer not.

Okay, fruitcake - AGAIN. I will explain my position. 

Look at each word and tell me which one(s) troubles you.

SENTIMENTALLY, I side with Palestine over Israel. 
POLITICALLY, I favor non-intervention.

Take your time, secret neocon that anticipated joey biden. Let us know when you have figured out what you cannot figure out, and I will help you figure it out.
 

Vegas » 11 Oct 2023, 2:05 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Oct 2023, 2:05 pm

I am not condoning the Israel attack. But let's be honest, Israel is a professional victim. They always do a great job turning themselves into the victims and making other groups look evil.

Let's be honest again. Israel are bullies and oppresses other groups. They have for a long time. So, why should the Hamas be considered terrorist?

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/bide ... -conflict/

Vegas » 12 Oct 2023, 8:33 am » wrote: ↑

12 Oct 2023, 8:33 am

Clearly you don't understand Israel's history. They committed offensive acts as much as defensive ones. 

Israel's history didn't begin until 1948. Hebrew and jewish history is about ancestries, not geography.

Vegas » 11 Oct 2023, 2:05 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Oct 2023, 2:05 pm

I am not condoning the Israel attack. But let's be honest, Israel is a professional victim. They always do a great job turning themselves into the victims and making other groups look evil.

Let's be honest again. Israel are bullies and oppresses other groups. They have for a long time. So, why should the Hamas be considered terrorist?

biden is no  help
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https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/05/12/bi ... jerusalem/

The Biden administration has stonewalled efforts in the U.N. Security Council to call for a halt to the escalating violence between Israeli forces and Palestinian militants, leaving the United States politically isolated just as it seeks to refurbish its multilateral credentials.In recent days, the United States has on at least three occasions refused to engage in negotiations initiated by Norway and Tunisia aimed at adopting a Security Council statement criticizing Israel’s evictions and demolitions of Palestinian properties in occupied East Jerusalem. The U.S. stance has effectively rendered the 15-nation council mute, as all statements from the body must be supported by consensus. The United States has told other countries that it is trying to calm the violence through direct diplomatic outreach and believes U.N. Security Council action at this stage could jeopardize that effort, according to sources at the international body.
 

The4thReich » 11 Oct 2023, 2:10 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Oct 2023, 2:10 pm

It is necessary to die for my people.  But my spirit will rise from the grave.  And the whole world will know that I was right.

Adolf Hitler

Eat **** nazi ***.
 

Vegas » 11 Oct 2023, 2:43 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Oct 2023, 2:43 pm

Practicing for after work aren't you?

Cannonpointer » 12 Oct 2023, 2:05 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Oct 2023, 2:05 pm

Okay, fruitcake - AGAIN. I will explain my position. 

Look at each word and tell me which one(s) troubles you.

SENTIMENTALLY, I side with Palestine over Israel. 
POLITICALLY, I favor non-intervention.

Take your time, secret neocon that anticipated joey biden. Let us know when you have figured out what you cannot figure out, and I will help you figure it out.

I love the affectionate way you assign me titles ya big lug.

 
 

RedheadedStranger » 12 Oct 2023, 2:19 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Oct 2023, 2:19 pm

I love the affectionate way you assign me titles ya big lug.

I tend to wear my fart on your sleeve.
 

jerrab » 12 Oct 2023, 1:36 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Oct 2023, 1:36 pm

it would have been better if the palestinians  went to the UN but.........

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Why this moment is so explosive for Israel and PalestineThe new Israeli government that took office in January is brazenly exclusionary and illiberal. It has declared in its own guidelines that the “Jewish people have the exclusive and indisputable right to all parts of the Land of Israel,” and it has already taken steps to strengthen settlements and push punitive measures against Palestinians for going to the United Nations and International Criminal Court.But the actions that have foreclosed the possibility of a two-state solution are decades in the making — a trend that has been concealed by the persistence of US politicians discussing Israel and America’s shared democratic values. Successive US administrations have said that there is “no sunlight” between the US and Israel, and that the security relationship is “ironclad.” Biden national security adviser Jake Sullivan on a recent trip described the US commitment to Israel as “bone deep.” That narrative is now a much tougher sell with Israel’s undemocratic forces ascendant.

This interesting. Thanks Jerra. The only reason Israel still stands is because of us. Now the US gets to call anyone who opposes Israel terrorists. 

Vegas » 12 Oct 2023, 2:30 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Oct 2023, 2:30 pm

This interesting. Thanks Jerra. The only reason Israel still stands is because of us. Now the US gets to call anyone who opposes Israel terrorists.

the most pro israel candidate gets the money from aipac and that was biden. biden in turn closed his eyes to whatever israel did. just so you know.

Vegas » 12 Oct 2023, 2:30 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Oct 2023, 2:30 pm

This interesting. Thanks Jerra. The only reason Israel still stands is because of us. Now the US gets to call anyone who opposes Israel terrorists.

this is a good informative article but I could not copy from it.

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/bide ... -conflict/

jerrab » 12 Oct 2023, 3:04 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Oct 2023, 3:04 pm

this is a good informative article but I could not copy from it.

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/bide ... -conflict/

Good article. This is from it, which is what I have been saying all along. 
Israel wouldn't be standing if it wasn't for us. But what have they done for us? Nothing. 

The first is shielding Israel at the United Nations, by discouraging, often vetoing, U.N. action against Israeli occupation. It is fair to say, that this shielding of Israel is one important reason that Israel has been able to maintain its 54-year-occupation of Palestinian territory. Even in this crisis, we saw elements of this as Biden moved to prevent even U.N. Security Council statements calling for a cease-fire.Second, a principal reason that Israel maintains military superiority, not only in relation to occupied Palestinian residents of occupied land, but in relation to any other regional power, is that it has been U.S. policy to uniquely provide Israel with qualitative military edge to maintain its supremacy.A third reason for the imbalance of power is that the United States has used its clout and resources with Arab countries to make deals with Israel, without serious concessions on Palestine, from the Camp David Accords to the Abraham Accords — taking key Arab states out of the equation of Israel’s confrontation with the Palestinians.

 

biden is the worst president. we have had 2 wars both of which he could have prevented, the war in israel and the war in ukraine, he must love war.

Vegas » 12 Oct 2023, 3:11 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Oct 2023, 3:11 pm

Good article. This is from it, which is what I have been saying all along. 
Israel wouldn't be standing if it wasn't for us. But what have they done for us? Nothing.

one would be advised against saying that in certain places and even more so after last week.