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Vegas » 13 Oct 2023, 9:10 am » wrote: ↑

13 Oct 2023, 9:10 am

The level of ego that our society has is unparalleled. America and Israel has done some dark and evil **** to other countries in the name of oil and resources. Yet, we have the audacity to call other groups terrorists. I think Hamas is scum, just like the other camel **** out in that area. However, so are some of our actions. 

Pot...Kettle...Black.

False equivalency. We do it in the name of freedom and democracy. They do it in the name of Allah.

maineman » 14 Oct 2023, 9:23 am » wrote: ↑

14 Oct 2023, 9:23 am

Is English your second language?  I never said we haven't KILLED innocent civilians.  I said we have never TARGETED innocent civilians.

Interesting factoid. Not verifiable, but interesting.

maineman » 14 Oct 2023, 9:23 am » wrote: ↑

14 Oct 2023, 9:23 am

Big difference.

REALLY?

To whom?

To whom - seriously. To the dead? To those who mourn them?

To the rest of humanity, looking on at the Great Satan? To those in whose name these murders for profit are effected?

Cannonpointer » 14 Oct 2023, 10:33 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Oct 2023, 10:33 pm

Interesting factoid. Not verifiable, but interesting.

REALLY?

To whom?

To whom - seriously. To the dead? To those who mourn them?

To the rest of humanity, looking on at the Great Satan? To those in whose name these murders for profit are effected?

To us, of course.  If we were the sorts of folks who set out on a mission expressly to kill innocent women and children, we'd have to turn in our white hats.

Vegas » 13 Oct 2023, 9:10 am » wrote: ↑

13 Oct 2023, 9:10 am

The level of ego that our society has is unparalleled. America and Israel has done some dark and evil **** to other countries in the name of oil and resources. Yet, we have the audacity to call other groups terrorists. I think Hamas is scum, just like the other camel **** out in that area. However, so are some of our actions. 

Pot...Kettle...Black. 

You are typecasting the entire citizenship by the actions of the elected self anointed ruling elite that abuse their oath of office in local city halls upto federal offices that work to establish a one world tyrañny of minority number govern majority of population through hope faith charity people only agree to disagree life is physically limited to being alive as genetically occupying space now and there never has been a physical tomorrow happen since dawn of ivilazation define each rotation created rule of 72 comparing past to possible future results only arriving today all thr time each replacement gets since conceived to decomposed occupying time in plain sight inhabiting space now.

Direct accountability for any human ever born including preset global population performing typecast roles of a lifetime now.

Self evident.

Str8tEdge » 14 Oct 2023, 7:02 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Oct 2023, 7:02 pm

False equivalency. We do it in the name of freedom and democracy. They do it in the name of Allah.

We bomb countries that are of no threat to us in the name of freedom and democracy? 

Vegas » 15 Oct 2023, 9:46 am » wrote: ↑

15 Oct 2023, 9:46 am

We bomb countries that are of no threat to us in the name of freedom and democracy?

https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives ... ]President Bush's Freedom Agenda Helped Protect The American People[/b]
President Bush Has Advanced Liberty And Democracy As The Great Alternatives To Repression And RadicalismPresident Bush has kept his pledge to strengthen democracy and promote peace around the world.  In his Second Inaugural Address, President Bush pledged America to the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in the world.  He has promoted the spread of freedom as the great alternative to the terrorists' ideology of hatred, because expanding liberty and democracy will help defeat extremism and protect the American people.  President Bush also acted quickly and decisively to help end international crises that arose during his term in office and to confront regimes that threatened our Nation and world security.  By working to spread liberty in these volatile regions and combating the conditions that can breed extremism, the President has helped make the American people safer.

Str8tEdge » 15 Oct 2023, 9:54 am » wrote: ↑

15 Oct 2023, 9:54 am

https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives ... ]President Bush's Freedom Agenda Helped Protect The American People[/b]
President Bush Has Advanced Liberty And Democracy As The Great Alternatives To Repression And RadicalismPresident Bush has kept his pledge to strengthen democracy and promote peace around the world.  In his Second Inaugural Address, President Bush pledged America to the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in the world.  He has promoted the spread of freedom as the great alternative to the terrorists' ideology of hatred, because expanding liberty and democracy will help defeat extremism and protect the American people.  President Bush also acted quickly and decisively to help end international crises that arose during his term in office and to confront regimes that threatened our Nation and world security.  By working to spread liberty in these volatile regions and combating the conditions that can breed extremism, the President has helped make the American people safer.

This is more of feely-good ideology than reality. I don't know of anyone who feels safer because we bomb countries that are of no threat to us. 

Vegas » 15 Oct 2023, 9:57 am » wrote: ↑

15 Oct 2023, 9:57 am

This is more of feely-good ideology than reality. I don't know of anyone who feels safer because we bomb countries that are of no threat to us.

Hint: The first comment may have been sarcasm.....

Z09 » 15 Oct 2023, 10:35 am » wrote: ↑

15 Oct 2023, 10:35 am

Like who?

Uggghhhh....I already went through all that with Mainman. I am not repeating that **** again. Go find it. 

Z09 » 15 Oct 2023, 10:37 am » wrote: ↑

15 Oct 2023, 10:37 am

If you mean Vietnam we bombed the communists so they wouldn't take over that country....

At no time did we just killed and stole their land

Where did I claim that we stole anyone's land? I said that we bomb countries that are of no threat to us. Vietnam being one of the many. We had over 50k US soldiers die for a cause that had nothing to with us. 

Z09 » 15 Oct 2023, 10:43 am » wrote: ↑

15 Oct 2023, 10:43 am

We tried to stop the communists from taking over a country that didn't want them there.

And even though the war was lost because of the politicians involved we were there to save a country from communism.

Not sure sure what other countries you're complaining about

This is what I am talking about. Why the hell do we have to stop communism somewhere else? They weren't even a threat to us. I guess you couldn't care less about 50k American soldiers were killed over a non-threat to the US. I already addressed the many other countries with Mainman. I am seriously not going to revisit it. Go back and find it. 

Z09 » 15 Oct 2023, 10:43 am » wrote: ↑

15 Oct 2023, 10:43 am

We tried to stop the communists from taking over a country that didn't want them there.

And even though the war was lost because of the politicians involved we were there to save a country from communism.

Not sure sure what other countries you're complaining about

President Dwight D. Eisenhower's Farewell Address (1961)
On January 17, 1961, in this farewell address, President Dwight Eisenhower warned against the establishment of a "military-industrial complex."

In a speech of less than 10 minutes, on January 17, 1961, President Dwight Eisenhower delivered his political farewell to the American people on national television from the Oval Office of the White House. Those who expected the military leader and hero of World War II to depart his Presidency with a nostalgic, "old soldier" speech like Gen. Douglas MacArthur's, were surprised at his strong warnings about the dangers of the "military-industrial complex."As President of the United States for two terms, Eisenhower had slowed the push for increased defense spending despite pressure to build more military equipment during the Cold War’s arms race. Nonetheless, the American military services and the defense industry had expanded a great deal in the 1950s. Eisenhower thought this growth was needed to counter the Soviet Union, but it confounded him. Though he did not say so explicitly, his standing as a military leader helped give him the credibility to stand up to the pressures of this new, powerful interest group. He eventually described it as a necessary evil.

A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be might, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction. . . . American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. . . . This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. . . .Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. . . . In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

 

Z09 » 15 Oct 2023, 11:09 am » wrote: ↑

15 Oct 2023, 11:09 am

So...
Normandy invasion was something you disagree with?

It's on your list

If you had read what I said to Mainman, I said with the exception of WW II and 9/11, none of those invasions were justified. 

Sooooo......you don't care about the 50k American military soldiers that will killed for a cause that had nothing to do with us the. Okay, got it. You could just say that instead of dancing around it. 

Z09 » 15 Oct 2023, 10:51 am » wrote: ↑

15 Oct 2023, 10:51 am

Well...
Look at it this way...

We attacked Germany...
And they never attacked us....

Why do we have to stop communism?
60 years ago it was a bit more important

The communist won that war, the South and the US lost. What happened to America after communism took over Vietnam? Absolutely nothing. We were just fine. 

Z09 » 15 Oct 2023, 11:18 am » wrote: ↑

15 Oct 2023, 11:18 am

You posted link 

Didn't realize you had exceptions...

That's because you only read what you want to read. 

Any chance that you give a **** about those 50k American soldiers yet? Yeah....I didn't think so. 

Here is TERRORISM, INC

Murica Prezzie Terrorism

maineman » 15 Oct 2023, 7:33 am » wrote: ↑

15 Oct 2023, 7:33 am

To us, of course.

That is precisely correct,  privilege breath. The millions of children our mercenaries and gay/trans military have murdered are no less dead, for ALL our protestations of immunity-through-oopsey.

maineman » 15 Oct 2023, 7:33 am » wrote: ↑

15 Oct 2023, 7:33 am

If we were the sorts of folks who set out on a mission expressly to kill innocent women and children, we'd have to turn in our white hats.

Yeah, we turned those in for spike heels and genital surgeries, pookie. Those are being worn by Spetsnaz, now.

Z09 » 15 Oct 2023, 11:22 am » wrote: ↑

15 Oct 2023, 11:22 am

And if you really cared about the 50k Americans you'd get the number right

There was 58,000

LOL! Nice try....actually no, it wasn't. That was weak. 

Vegas » 15 Oct 2023, 9:46 am » wrote: ↑

15 Oct 2023, 9:46 am

We bomb countries that are of no threat to us in the name of freedom and democracy? 

Symbolism over substance, context defining life beyond content of lifetimes here now, hypothetical values mean more than understanding thermodynamics of evolving in plain sight.

You have no respect for the natural processing of evolving in real time while your time living is evolving in plain sight ancestrally positioned as living timed apart conceived to decomposed now. Same as any other ancestral lineage result inhabiting space in this atmosphere.

Alphabet and vernacular tribalism controls outcomes of each incoming replacement in plain sight and actual time occupying space here.

Living doesn't ever exceed the numbers here now, never has, never will. Your ancestry was nurtured each generation cradle to grave to believe the natural process doesn't naturally occur now by the mere suggestion.

"Think outside a box." is code speak for never accept time is stationary and your body doesn't remain same form as your fertilized cell arrived to the moment here as anything reproductively here has arrived, one at a time now.

This post covers the working of human original sin since dawn of civilization. Honesty is one hell of a weapon equal to power of suggesting now isn't eternity.