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RedheadedStranger » 19 Oct 2023, 12:16 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Oct 2023, 12:16 pm

I'm just assigning you a position is all.

No reason in getting upset about it.
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Oh, REALLY????

Then why do you get so pissed off every time I do it to you?

The golden rule, son. Get you some. 
 

Vegas » 19 Oct 2023, 12:25 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Oct 2023, 12:25 pm

Israel is definitely justified in returning the aggression.  What my issue is that most Israel supporters seem to think that Israel is not as equally bad as the other barbarians in that region. A lot of this they brought on themselves. They do oppress the Palestians, they have a long time. 

What is the core of all this madness within one species coming from each generation gap educated into living as civic minded souls believing life is but a dream state of mind anything is possible or get eliminated by every alternate reality governing tomorrow's outcomes for each incoming replacement.

Doesn't change between all the alternate realities contextually defending ideologies promising life exceeds genetic time occupying space since conceived into specific generation gaps living forward now.

The enemy of my intellectual enemies is my time being honest about occupying space one of a kind.

Cannonpointer » 19 Oct 2023, 12:28 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Oct 2023, 12:28 pm

Oh, REALLY????

Then why do you get so pissed off every time I do it to you?

The golden rule, son. Get you some.

You assigned me a position on the first reply you ever made to me.

I'm just returning the favor.

Don't be mad.
 
 

Vegas » 19 Oct 2023, 12:25 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Oct 2023, 12:25 pm

Israel is definitely justified in returning the aggression.  What my issue is that most Israel supporters seem to think that Israel is not as equally bad as the other barbarians in that region. A lot of this they brought on themselves. They do oppress the Palestians, they have a long time.

Is Israel's response to the attacks, to arbitrarily target Palestinian civilians for brutal deaths, torture, rape and kidnap? Their stated intention is to wipe out Hamas once and for all - does that count as the action/reaction of a people equally barbaric to those who attacked them?
 

Neo » 19 Oct 2023, 11:52 am » wrote: ↑

19 Oct 2023, 11:52 am

GeorgeWashington » 19 Oct 2023, 11:31 am » wrote: ↑

19 Oct 2023, 11:31 am

Are you saying there are 2 Israels or are you saying that Christians aren’t the people of God?

How does one become a part of  Israel?

Christians are adopted into the covenant. Gentiles are step kids.

Were Abraham and his descendants in the covenant?
 
 

JustinSane » 19 Oct 2023, 12:40 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Oct 2023, 12:40 pm

Is Israel's response to the attacks, to arbitrarily target Palestinian civilians for brutal deaths, torture, rape and kidnap? Their stated intention is to wipe out Hamas once and for all - does that count as the action/reaction of a people equally barbaric to those who attacked them?

Evidently, yes. Killing civilians is nothing to new to Israel. They have done that many times in the past. It's just not talked about among Americans. We turn our heads. 

RedheadedStranger » 19 Oct 2023, 8:45 am » wrote: ↑

19 Oct 2023, 8:45 am

He's not gonna raise your taxes a single dime unless you make over $400K a year too.

Remember that one?

 

bastards...just like at work when they used to tell us "it's only temporary"...then I'd ask, "how do you spell temporary? P-E-R-M-A-N-E-N-T!"    
 

Vegas » 19 Oct 2023, 12:49 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Oct 2023, 12:49 pm

Evidently, yes. Killing civilians is nothing to new to Israel. They have done that many times in the past. It's just not talked about among Americans. We turn our heads.

Well - hang on. I didn't say killing civilians, I deliberately said 'targetting civilians'. Any military operation in Gaza is going to result in civilian deaths. However, if the Hamas activities of the 7th had any purpose beyond deliberately targetting and killing as many Israeli civilians as possible, well, I'm struggling to see it, because there's no real-world evidence of it.

People who target women and children are the lowest on the moral ladder. They are the first in the queue to be shanked in prisons.. prisons.. not exactly institutions of moral rectitude, but it seems even violent convicts can't stand people with such morals

People like Hamas have no regard for human life
 
 

nuckinfutz » 19 Oct 2023, 12:56 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Oct 2023, 12:56 pm

 
 

Skans » 19 Oct 2023, 8:47 am » wrote: ↑

19 Oct 2023, 8:47 am

I've looked at the federal budget.  You wouldn't believe how much waste is in there.  You may think you know just how wasteful our government is, but you have no clue.  I have an extremely hard time even wrapping my head around it.  But, I will say this.  Medicare and the Military are still the two biggest bloated pieces of **** weighing our country down right now.  Yes, all of this other crap should be eliminated, but altogether they don't even make up 25% of the pie.

$300bn annually in foreign aid...or $900 for every man, woman and child...just think how far that would go in our great bidenomics era...
 

I have become a Zionist, this dream of the resurrection of the Jewish people in their historic homeland and the replacement of the Auschwitz Barrier by a Jewish state with a strong army...
And then I found out it wasn't really like that.

To make this Jewish dream a reality I would have to make the local population a nightmare.

There was never a case to create this Jewish state without the local population being suppressed and expelled. Israeli, Jewish historians have proven beyond a doubt that the persecution of the Palestinians was persistent, pervasive, cruel and deliberate—what is called “Nakba” in Arabic: the “catastrophe” or “catastrophic”.

There is a law prohibiting Holocaust deniers, but in Israel no one is allowed to mention the Nakba, although it is related to the core idea of establishing the State of Israel.

I visited the Occupied (West Bank) during the first Indifanta.

I cried every day for two weeks with what I've seen.

The barbarity of the occupation, the constant petty harassments, the killings, the uprooting of Palestinian olive trees, the revocation of the right to drinking water, the humiliation... this has continued, and now things are much worse since then.

It is the largest ethnic cleansing operation in the 20th and 21st centuries.

You don't have to support Hamas policies to defend Palestinian rights.
That's a whole lot of lie... a hypocrisy.

I invite you to think of the worst you could say about Hamas.
Multiply it a thousand times, and it still won't come near the minimum of Israeli occupation, extinction and uprooting of the Palestinians.

The narrative that “anyone who criticizes Israel is anti-Semitic” is simply an outrageous attempt to intimidate the good non-Jews willing to stand up for the truth.”
About him:
CAMPOR MATE.

The Jewish doctor (Canadian with Hungarian descent) Holocaust survivor, writes

"I am also a Holocaust survivor.
I barely survived when I was still a five-month-old infant.
My grandparents were killed in Auschwitz, as well as most of my extended family.

I have become a Zionist, this dream of the resurrection of the Jewish people in their historic homeland and the replacement of the Auschwitz Barrier by a Jewish state with a strong army...
And then I found out it wasn't really like that.


I visited the Occupied (West Bank) during the first Indifanta.

I cried every day for two weeks with what I've seen.

The barbarity of the occupation, the constant petty harassments, the killings, the uprooting of Palestinian olive trees, the revocation of the right to drinking water, the humiliation... this has continued, and now things are much worse since then.

It is the largest ethnic cleansing operation in the 20th and 21st centuries.

The narrative that “anyone who criticizes Israel is anti-Semitic” is simply an outrageous attempt to intimidate the good non-Jews willing to stand up for the truth.”

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JustinSane » 19 Oct 2023, 1:02 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Oct 2023, 1:02 pm

Well - hang on. I didn't say killing civilians, I deliberately said 'targetting civilians'. Any military operation in Gaza is going to result in civilian deaths. However, if the Hamas activities of the 7th had any purpose beyond deliberately targetting and killing as many Israeli civilians as possible, well, I'm struggling to see it, because there's no real-world evidence of it.

People who target women and children are the lowest on the moral ladder. They are the first in the queue to be shanked in prisons.. prisons.. not exactly institutions of moral rectitude, but it seems even violent convicts can't stand people with such morals

People like Hamas have no regard for human life

Yes, they have targeted civilians in the past. I don't know about this conflict, but in the past, yes, they deliberately targeted civilians. What Israel does is target civilian structures, then lie that they didn't know they were civilian structures. Their bombs are not precision bombs. They have precision missiles, but they didn't use them. It's deliberate. However, America has their back so they get away with this ****. 

(Gaza) – Israeli air attacks in Gaza investigated by Human Rights Watch have been targeting apparent civilian structures and killing civilians in violation of the laws of war. Israel should end unlawful attacks that do not target military objectives and may be intended as collective punishment or broadly to destroy civilian property. Deliberate or reckless attacks violating the laws of war are war crimes, Human Rights Watch said.Israeli attacks in Gaza since July 7, 2014, which Israeli officials said delivered more than 500 tons of explosives in missiles, aerial bombs, and artillery fire, killed at least 178 people and wounded 1,361 as of July 14, including 635 women and children, according to the United Nations. Preliminary UN reports identified 138 people, about 77 percent of those killed, as civilians, including 36 children, and found that the attacks had destroyed 1,255 homes, displacing at least 7,500 people.“Israel’s rhetoric is all about precision attacks but attacks with no military target and many civilian deaths can hardly be considered precise,” said Sarah Leah Whitson, Middle East director at Human Rights Watch. “Recent documented cases in Gaza sadly fit Israel’s long record of unlawful airstrikes with high civilian casualties.” 

https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/15/isr ... -civilians
 

Vegas » 19 Oct 2023, 1:13 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Oct 2023, 1:13 pm

Yes, they have targeted civilians in the past. I don't know about this conflict, but in the past, yes, they deliberately targeted civilians. What Israel does is target civilian structures, then lie that they didn't know they were civilian structures. Their bombs are not precision bombs. They have precision missiles, but they didn't use them. It's deliberate. However, America has their back so they get away with this ****. 

https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/15/isr ... -civilians

Hamas kicks the wasps' nest and then retreats behind civilian areas and structures.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mor ... d-schools/

Hamas unashamedly uses civilian structures for military purposes, for precisely the reasons you'd think they might. What is Israel supposed to do with this that's acceptable?

 

RedheadedStranger » 19 Oct 2023, 9:52 am » wrote: ↑

19 Oct 2023, 9:52 am

My mom was a civilian contract administrator for the Air Force for years. The stories she use to tell us we're crazy.

She told me once about spending $350K to replace an 8x8 security shack at a gate that wasn't even in use on the base she worked at.

The city had redone a road outside of this particular gate and there was no longer access to the gate itself from the civilian side, so it was blocked off... and the Govt STILL spent $350k to replace a security shack that no one was ever going to use again. Brilliant huh?

This was in the 80's too so now that same shack would probably be several million... and **** like this still goes on today.

​​​​​​https://youtube.com/shorts/49RIRI1JKSU? ... 6ofdQ0kJ1l

That is exactly what I'm talking about.  The military wastes money and gives a bunch of it away in crony deals with contractors. I'm sick and tired of them crying about not having enough money for ****.  For ****'s sake, YOU'RE A DAMN GENERAL - IMPROVISE......OVERCOME....ADAPT, or take your place on the front line of the Ukrainian offensive - you've been demoted to private.
 

JustinSane » 19 Oct 2023, 1:25 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Oct 2023, 1:25 pm

Hamas kicks the wasps' nest and then retreats behind civilian areas and structures.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mor ... d-schools/
 

Yes. That's what the Palestinian military does.

Hamas unashamedly uses civilian structures for military purposes, for precisely the reasons you'd think they might. What is Israel supposed to do with this that's acceptable?

Yes, that is what the Palestinian military does.  Destroy them.

Cannonpointer » 19 Oct 2023, 12:05 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Oct 2023, 12:05 pm

England and Spain are monarchies. AND democracies.

I'll take it. Thank you for admitting israel is not the only democracy in the middle east, dork. Oh - and Iran WAS a democracy before we overthrew them and put a CIA-trained torture-happy dictator over them. That counts, ape. We punish, prevent, and overthrow arab democracies.

You just declared kept-israel not a country, ya moron. 

Specifically in Israel, ya stupid ****. 

So they DO preserve them - thanks.

Name a Christian holy site in Tyre or Sidon - or ANYWHERE ON EARTH - that was destroyed by a modern Arab government, fruitcake. Go!

Go, go, go!

GO!

Huh. Not destroyed, then? Thanks for that.

Wow, I can see why you people call for genocide. All arabs are **** - why NOT murder the lot? Other than who ya hate, you're different than hitler how, precisely?

Lol. You **** monkey. Your ****-talk and the experience of Israeli Christians have a small gap.

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2023 ... normalised

Name ONE, mouth. ONE incident of attacks on Christians or churches not carried out by cia proxies in the wake of U.S. mischief.

Just to give an uneducated redneck some CONTEXT: Back BEFORE these modern states existed, Muslims - LIKE CHRISTIANS - **** on other religions' holy sites. Typically, they tore down your **** and build their **** on the site. A noteworthy counter-example was the Christian Cathedral in Istanbul that the conquering Ottomans found too beautiful to destroy, so they turned it into a mosque called Hagia Sophia.

AGAIN, to put some context into your trailer park brain, Solomon's temple was destroyed by BABYLONIANS more than a thousand years before the prophet mohammed married a kid. Blaming Arabs for the norms of the ANCIENT world, which were practiced with great zeal by Christendom, is just the blather of a stupid hick working with a hick's information and capacity for reason.

I blasted your *** out of the water on each and every one of those topics.  AND, you never addressed your **** in conflating AFRICA with ASIA./MIDDLE EAST.  Your *** is bleeding again - ask your boyfriend for some rectal-tampons.
 

ROG62 » 19 Oct 2023, 1:07 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Oct 2023, 1:07 pm

$300bn annually in foreign aid...or $900 for every man, woman and child...just think how far that would go in our great bidenomics era...

I'm not looking to hand out $900 to **** that never paid a dime in taxes.  How about we just use that money to pay down the damn debt.
 

JustinSane » 19 Oct 2023, 1:25 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Oct 2023, 1:25 pm

Hamas kicks the wasps' nest and then retreats behind civilian areas and structures.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mor ... d-schools/

Hamas unashamedly uses civilian structures for military purposes, for precisely the reasons you'd think they might. What is Israel supposed to do with this that's acceptable?

Your article requires me to pay. Can you copy/paste the substance of it? 

I don't disagree. Israel has no choice. However, it has been shown that civilians weren't not being used as shields. Such as the example I gave. 

Vegas » 19 Oct 2023, 1:37 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Oct 2023, 1:37 pm

Your article requires me to pay. Can you copy/paste the substance of it? 

I don't disagree. Israel has no choice. However, it has been shown that civilians weren't not being used as shields. Such as the example I gave.

Yes they are... hamas deserve everything coming their way