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Vegas » 27 Oct 2023, 2:48 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Oct 2023, 2:48 pm

I understand. I certainly believe that Israel has a right to retaliate. I never claimed otherwise. That isn't an excuse. We had over 3k dead Americans lying in the streets of New York on 9/11. We still did what we could to minimize killing civilians who had nothing to do with the attack.

Hamas fighters are members of the Palestinian community.  They don't live in a Hamas barracks apart from Palestinian civilians.  They live WITH them.  Why do you think that is?

maineman » 27 Oct 2023, 2:49 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Oct 2023, 2:49 pm

Seriously.... if Hamas was worried about civilian casualties, they picked a pretty bloody way to show that concern on the evening of October 7th.

Did anyone claim, including myself, that Hamas cares about civilians? They don't even care about their own civilians. They are scum. That doesn't mean Israel has to stoop to that. We didn't and we were attacked with twice as many American deaths. 

Vegas » 27 Oct 2023, 2:51 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Oct 2023, 2:51 pm

Did anyone claim, including myself, that Hamas cares about civilians? They don't even care about their own civilians. They are scum. That doesn't mean Israel has to stoop to that. We didn't and we were attacked with twice as many American deaths.

If Israel stooped to the Hamas level, THEY would have been the ones who attacked the hospital.  they didn't.  If Hamas fighters choose to live with their wives and children, THEY are using those women and kids as human shields.  The blood is on their hands, not Israelis.
 

maineman » 27 Oct 2023, 2:51 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Oct 2023, 2:51 pm

Hamas fighters are members of the Palestinian community.  They don't live in a Hamas barracks apart from Palestinian civilians.  They live WITH them.  Why do you think that is?

They are still a separate entity. Look...that place is a ****. They are an underdeveloped region. Who knows why people choose to live in such a primitive way? They are always getting pushed down under some violent group. However, they are still civilians who have nothing to do with the attacks. 

maineman » 27 Oct 2023, 2:54 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Oct 2023, 2:54 pm

If Israel stooped to the Hamas level, THEY would have been the ones who attacked the hospital.  they didn't.  If Hamas fighters choose to live with their wives and children, THEY are using those women and kids as human shields.  The blood is on their hands, not Israelis.

I already went over this. I explained the alternative they could do. It worked for the US and it was just as dangerous. 

Vegas » 27 Oct 2023, 2:54 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Oct 2023, 2:54 pm

They are still a separate entity. Look...that place is a ****. They are an underdeveloped region. Who knows why people choose to live in such a primitive way? They are always getting pushed down under some violent group. However, they are still civilians who have nothing to do with the attacks.

If I were a Palestinian civilian with no ties or sympathies to or with Hamas, I would have started walking south out of Gaza City with my children on my **** back  two weeks ago.

maineman » 27 Oct 2023, 2:56 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Oct 2023, 2:56 pm

If I were a Palestinian civilian with no ties or sympathies to or with Hamas, I would have started walking south out of Gaza City with my children on my **** back  two weeks ago.

And go where? South to what? Also, how do we know that Hamas would even allow that? 

Z09 » 27 Oct 2023, 3:03 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Oct 2023, 3:03 pm

Agreed!

And that's what Israel told them to do

1. This is just blaming the victims. If they get killed, then it's their fault because Israel warned them. WTH? It's their home, not Israel's. Israel can use other means, but they wont. Period. 

2. It's unlikely that Hamas would allow them to leave. If they are using them as shields, then that is a resource for them. I doubt they would allow one of their resources to just disappear. 


3. It's easy for us to sit in cozy America behind a keyboard and just start spewing out things. "They should just leave." Is it really that easy? I am not there, neither are you. Maybe they can't.

maineman » 27 Oct 2023, 2:39 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Oct 2023, 2:39 pm

I am curious.  Back in 1776, was the continental army all civilians?

That would depend on when you believe a country comes into existence.  If you believe it is when a group of people declare their independence from "an oppressive" government (which hasn't happened in the Gaza Strip), then they started out as civilians and turned into a military...at least in part, there were still civilians fighting.  If you believe a country exist only after they win a war for independence and are recognized by the loser as such, then they were civilians.

Not really relevant to the situation over there, however.
 

Vegas » 27 Oct 2023, 2:59 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Oct 2023, 2:59 pm

And go where? South to what? Also, how do we know that Hamas would even allow that?

If the Palestinian people have allowed themselves to be governed by a terrorist organization that has turned into a dictatorship, it's up to them to rise up and cast them out.  If the Palestinians really want to live in peace and harmony with Israelis, they pick very weird ways of showing it.

ConsRule » 27 Oct 2023, 3:13 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Oct 2023, 3:13 pm

That would depend on when you believe a country comes into existence.  If you believe it is when a group of people declare their independence from "an oppressive" government (which hasn't happened in the Gaza Strip), then they started out as civilians and turned into a military...at least in part, there were still civilians fighting.  If you believe a country exist only after they win a war for independence and are recognized by the loser as such, then they were civilians.

Not really relevant to the situation over there, however.

YOu don't think that the Palestinians want to be independent from Israeli control?

maineman » 27 Oct 2023, 3:16 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Oct 2023, 3:16 pm

YOu don't think that the Palestinians want to be independent from Israeli control?

The majority want that only after armed conflict.  Be careful what you wish for, you just may get it.
 

ConsRule » 27 Oct 2023, 3:19 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Oct 2023, 3:19 pm

The majority want that only after armed conflict.  Be careful what you wish for, you just may get it.

do you think that Hamas enjoys the support of a majority of the residents of the Gaza Strip?

maineman » 27 Oct 2023, 3:30 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Oct 2023, 3:30 pm

do you think that Hamas enjoys the support of a majority of the residents of the Gaza Strip?

Just Hamas...no.  Polls have shown they don't.  However, polls have shown equal support among those residents for Fatah.  Add the support of those two together and the support of residents on the Gaza Strip for know terrorist organizations approaches (or surpasses) 60%...depending on the poll.  Every poll I have seen that includes both organizations show their combined support to be well over 50%.

 

Sumela » 26 Oct 2023, 12:18 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Oct 2023, 12:18 pm

Lies for Neocon Cuckies to cuck over cuz they

are easily cucked

Any *** on the block can slip a dick in 'em.
 

PhiloBeddo » 26 Oct 2023, 2:09 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Oct 2023, 2:09 pm

Yes People have facetime video proof.

Yes yes - some people. 

No, really. 

You don't require proof. Just be told some "people" have it, and you're cucked. 

And you want the world to believe you're not on dick, kid?  
 
 

ConsRule » 26 Oct 2023, 3:52 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Oct 2023, 3:52 pm

How is the jury still out.  There is an intercepted phone call where Hamas admits it was them.

Post it, or shut your post hole, poseur.

You can't. You won't. You're cucked.

Vegas » 26 Oct 2023, 3:53 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Oct 2023, 3:53 pm

Show me.

He can't. He won't. He's cucked.
 

BuckNaked » 26 Oct 2023, 3:58 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Oct 2023, 3:58 pm

I’m waiting for Israel to agree to negotiate for the release of the women and children they abducted from Gaza …….oh wait

They never abduct what they can kill, gay boi.
 

ConsRule » 27 Oct 2023, 3:43 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Oct 2023, 3:43 pm

Just Hamas...no.  Polls have shown they don't.  However, polls have shown equal support among those residents for Fatah.  Add the support of those two together and the support of residents on the Gaza Strip for know terrorist organizations approaches (or surpasses) 60%...depending on the poll.  Every poll I have seen that includes both organizations show their combined support to be well over 50%.

Fatah does not have any viable political presence in Gaza to the best of my knowledge