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Nostradamus'omh » 30 Oct 2023, 11:21 am » wrote: ↑

30 Oct 2023, 11:21 am

that speculation cannot ever be proven because past ends here and future only evolves forward now as a whole of indiivudal parts spontaneously evolving at the same time separate generation gaps arrived.

Nor can the speculation that 1 million American lives were saved that day......

 

Majik » 30 Oct 2023, 12:03 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Oct 2023, 12:03 pm

Fanatical warriors or not .....
we could have dropped both bombs on any of the smaller islands of the Izu archipelago and Tokyo would have got the message and surrenedered.
Because of the threat of all of Japan being destroyed ......

True. We probably could have just showed them one of our tests that was done in my beloved state, then give them an alternative: Surrender or die. 

sootedupCyndi » 30 Oct 2023, 12:04 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Oct 2023, 12:04 pm

that's good.
Just think about it. What kind of leaders (hamas) would attack another neighboring country-
Without thinking about the devastation and destruction that would come back on their country. Crazy- that's all.
i look at the pictures of gaza and see all the men wandering around in piles of rubble?

Can you point out the terrorists ?
 

Majik » 30 Oct 2023, 12:03 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Oct 2023, 12:03 pm

Fanatical warriors or not .....
we could have dropped both bombs on any of the smaller islands of the Izu archipelago and Tokyo would have got the message and surrenedered.
Because of the threat of all of Japan being destroyed ......

You think people who strap themselves into airplanes full of bombs, with only enough gas for a one way trip are going to listen to reason?

I think if you look up the meaning to the word, kamikaze ......you'll understand their mindset a little better.
 

sootedupCyndi » 30 Oct 2023, 12:04 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Oct 2023, 12:04 pm

that's good.
Just think about it. What kind of leaders (hamas) would attack another neighboring country-
Without thinking about the devastation and destruction that would come back on their country. Crazy- that's all.
i look at the pictures of gaza and see all the men wandering around in piles of rubble?

what kind of leaders (Israel) would push someone into making such a devastating decision ?

Mrkelly » 30 Oct 2023, 12:14 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Oct 2023, 12:14 pm

what kind of leaders (Israel) would push someone into making such a devastating decision ?

Some idiots want them to roll over and say, thank you sir,  may I have another.....

Majik » 30 Oct 2023, 12:03 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Oct 2023, 12:03 pm

Fanatical warriors or not .....
we could have dropped both bombs on any of the smaller islands of the Izu archipelago and Tokyo would have got the message and surrenedered.
Because of the threat of all of Japan being destroyed ......

Tokyo was firebombed before either nuke was dropped. An estimated 100,000 civilians were killed over several nights... and the Jap leaders didn't capitulate then.
 
 

Vegas » 30 Oct 2023, 12:06 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Oct 2023, 12:06 pm

True. We probably could have just showed them one of our tests that was done in my beloved state, then give them an alternative: Surrender or die.

Exactly.
we bombed Nagasaki and Hiroshima not only to try and end the war but also to send a message and show the world (our enemies at the time and future enemies ) how overwhelming devastating our newest weapon was to human life .....



 

Mrkelly » 30 Oct 2023, 12:14 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Oct 2023, 12:14 pm

what kind of leaders (Israel) would push someone into making such a devastating decision ?

Sure- I know!
They're both to blame. So there simply- is NO answer?
sometimes in life- there is only opinions.  
 

RedheadedStranger » 30 Oct 2023, 12:17 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Oct 2023, 12:17 pm

Tokyo was firebombed before either nuke was dropped. An estimated 100,000 civilians were killed over several nights... and the Jap leaders didn't capitulated then.

They didn't yet see the power of a nuke ...yet.

 

Majik » 30 Oct 2023, 12:05 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Oct 2023, 12:05 pm

Nor can the speculation that 1 million American lives were saved that day......

Majik » 30 Oct 2023, 12:05 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Oct 2023, 12:05 pm

Nor can the speculation that 1 million American lives were saved that day......

 

How many times have people in charge told people governed by hypothetical values "It is what it is."? What is "It"? Etern-it-y the point evolving process is eternally separating each chromosome result occupying space here now.

That is inclusive of the whole food chain to any atmosphere universally present facing same situation this atmosphere is experiencing now. Series parallel time occupying space specifically unique any lifetime present.

My thinking follows actual evolving without hypothetical values, hyperbole, anything else is possible isn't possible life exceeds evolving forward here. This is as large as Isaac Newton's universal constant back at the beginning of the 17th century when the flat earth mantra was laid to rest, physically.

Mentally there are still generation gap people that won't accept life cannot exceed time centered as ancestrally displaced.

sootedupCyndi » 30 Oct 2023, 12:18 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Oct 2023, 12:18 pm

Sure- I know!
They're both to blame. So there simply- is NO answer?
sometimes in life- there is only opinions. :

a cease fire, and a two state solution 

I wish that was our leaders and Israels leaders opinion 

RebelGator » 30 Oct 2023, 12:16 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Oct 2023, 12:16 pm

Some idiots want them to roll over and say, thank you sir,  may I have another.....

No,  but both sides have now shown their inhumanity ......
Hamas for the indiscriminate slaughter of Israelis ....
and Israel for the indiscriminate slaughter of Palestinians ....
when will the killing stop ...now?
Do you believe that the Palestinians or the Israelis are going to make peace after all of this if the indiscriminate killing keeps going on ?


 

RebelGator » 30 Oct 2023, 12:16 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Oct 2023, 12:16 pm

Some idiots want them to roll over and say, thank you sir,  may I have another.....

same as Palestine 

Mrkelly » 30 Oct 2023, 12:32 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Oct 2023, 12:32 pm

a cease fire, and a two state solution 

I wish that was our leaders and Israels leaders opinion 

That is what it has been since UN created the whole agree to disagree situation since 1967.

Mrkelly » 30 Oct 2023, 12:32 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Oct 2023, 12:32 pm

a cease fire, and a two state solution 

I wish that was our leaders and Israels leaders opinion

I do not know!  That would be nice
i'm not a war monger... sort of and eye for and eye
kinda gal.
 

Nostradamus'omh » 30 Oct 2023, 12:35 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Oct 2023, 12:35 pm

That is what it has been since UN created the whole agree to disagree situation since 1967.

look how good that has worked 

Mrkelly » 30 Oct 2023, 12:32 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Oct 2023, 12:32 pm

a cease fire, and a two state solution 

I wish that was our leaders and Israels leaders opinion

That will never occur now .....
And even if it did.... Israel will never allow a Palestinian state to have the same self determination as any other sovereign state ......
because in their view it would put Israel in grave danger.

 

sootedupCyndi » 30 Oct 2023, 12:37 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Oct 2023, 12:37 pm

I do not know!  That would be nice
i'm not a war monger... sort of and eye for and eye
kinda gal.

I’m a live and let live kinda guy