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Vegas » 01 Nov 2023, 3:01 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2023, 3:01 pm

It doesn't matter. You are conflating two state solutions with Israel taking their land. Israel had their land in 1947. Period. They had it secured with a giant red bow on it. But they wanted more and more. They needed it for their dream of Zion. So they stole Palestine's land. When they are done with them, they will move on to the rest of the middle East. Gradually of course. They believe that all of the Middle East should be theirs. It's their holy land in their delusional little brains.

Israel is the size of a small northeastern US state. Even if it tripled its size it would be tiny compared to Saud or Egypt or Iraq or Iran. We have dozens of Muslim states, only one Jewish one. The land is not stolen, its paid for. Jews are known for having money after all. Land owners are getting paid, nothing is getting stolen.  There is no Palestine to steal from by their repeated choice. Now they will absorb Gaza, not just occupy it. It will be absorbed into Israel when this is finished. 
 
 

Neo » 01 Nov 2023, 3:12 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2023, 3:12 pm

Israel is the size of a small northeastern US state. Even if it tripled its size it would be tiny compared to Saud or Egypt or Iraq or Iran.

Irrelevant. Who cares?

We have dozens of Muslim states, only one Jewish one.

Again. Irrelevant. Who cares?

The land is not stolen, its paid for. Jews are known for having money after all. Land owners are getting paid, nothing is getting stolen.  There is no Palestine to steal from by their repeated choice. Now they will absorb Gaza, not just occupy it. It will be absorbed into Israel when this is finished.

They didn't pay for ****. We did. How do you think Israel is able to get the money to buy anything there? America supports them. They would be ashes if it wasn't for us. Don't be giving credit where it isn't due. 

Vegas » 01 Nov 2023, 3:01 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2023, 3:01 pm

It doesn't matter. You are conflating two state solutions with Israel taking their land. Israel had their land in 1947. Period. They had it secured with a giant red bow on it. But they wanted more and more. They needed it for their dream of Zion. So they stole Palestine's land. When they are done with them, they will move on to the rest of the middle East. Gradually of course. They believe that all of the Middle East should be theirs. It's their holy land in their delusional little brains.

That little war in 1948 changed the boundaries as most wars do. They kicked *** on how many countries?

Palestine can have their land back, they just need much larger balls to take it back.

Life ain't fair!
 

Vegas » 01 Nov 2023, 3:16 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2023, 3:16 pm

Irrelevant. Who cares?

Again. Irrelevant. Who cares?

They didn't pay for ****. We did. How do you think Israel is able to get the money to buy anything there? America supports them. They would be ashes if it wasn't for us. Don't be giving credit where it isn't due.

I may have missed it, you been hating on the British? They played a pretty significant role in this mess.
 

Fuelman » 01 Nov 2023, 3:33 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2023, 3:33 pm

That little war in 1948 changed the boundaries as most wars do. They kicked *** on how many countries?

Palestine can have their land back, they just need much larger balls to take it back.

Life ain't fair!

Again, like @Neo  , you don't know the details. Israel wanted a different partition of land that included 30% of Palestinian territory. This particular territory had the best agricultural soil and it had the most important port (Jaffa). That port was the primary means of trade for them. Palestine rightfully told Israel to go pound sand. Israel replied with a "we are going to take anyway." So, the Arabs attacked them in 1948 since the land was theirs. Israel won and because they got the agricultural land along with the port, Palestine's economy tanked. They have been in poverty ever since. 

Research the reasons, not just the conclusions.

Vegas » 01 Nov 2023, 3:16 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2023, 3:16 pm

They would be ashes if it wasn't for us.

And this is precisely why the "pro" Palestine crowd wants all funding for Israel cut off too.

The want the Jews to be ashes... to finish what Hitler started. They won't say it out loud, but that is exactly what they want. To genocide the Jews.
 

Fuelman » 01 Nov 2023, 3:40 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2023, 3:40 pm

I may have missed it, you been hating on the British? They played a pretty significant role in this mess.

Yeah, they are also a bunch of twats. 

RedheadedStranger » 01 Nov 2023, 3:46 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2023, 3:46 pm

And this is precisely why the "pro" Palestine crowd wants all funding for Israel cut off too.

The want the Jews to be ashes... to finish what Hitler started. They won't say it out loud, but that is exactly what they want. To genocide the Jews.

I can't speak for them. I don't want a genocide of anyone. I want the Jews to give up their dream of Zion because it oppresses other groups. If they do, then there would be no issues over there. They would live peacefully together. They had their land in 1947. That wasn't good enough for them. So they kept pushing and pushing. 

Vegas » 01 Nov 2023, 3:45 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2023, 3:45 pm

Again, like @Neo  , you don't know the details. Israel wanted a different partition of land that included 30% of Palestinian territory. This particular territory had the best agricultural soil and it had the most important port (Jaffa). That port was the primary means of trade for them. Palestine rightfully told Israel to go pound sand. Israel replied with a "we are going to take anyway." So, the Arabs attacked them in 1948 since the land was theirs. Israel won and because they got the agricultural land along with the port, Palestine's economy tanked. They have been in poverty ever since. 

Research the reasons, not just the conclusions.

Reason is, in 1949, they sided with Arab neighbors to attack Israel. They lost the land in armed conflict. Losing has consequences.  
 

Neo » 01 Nov 2023, 3:54 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2023, 3:54 pm

Reason is, in 1949, they sided with Arab neighbors to attack Israel. They lost the land in armed conflict. Losing has consequences.

You didn't read a word I wrote, did you? 

Vegas » 01 Nov 2023, 3:45 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2023, 3:45 pm

Again, like @Neo  , you don't know the details. Israel wanted a different partition of land that included 30% of Palestinian territory. This particular territory had the best agricultural soil and it had the most important port (Jaffa). That port was the primary means of trade for them. Palestine rightfully told Israel to go pound sand. Israel replied with a "we are going to take anyway." So, the Arabs attacked them in 1948 since the land was theirs. Israel won and because they got the agricultural land along with the port, Palestine's economy tanked. They have been in poverty ever since. 

Research the reasons, not just the conclusions.

"The goal of the Arabs was initially to block the Partition Resolution and to prevent the establishment of the Jewish state. The Jews, on the other hand, hoped to gain control over the territory allotted to them under the Partition Plan."

Seems we have two competing histories.


 

Fuelman » 01 Nov 2023, 4:11 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2023, 4:11 pm

"The goal of the Arabs was initially to block the Partition Resolution and to prevent the establishment of the Jewish state. The Jews, on the other hand, hoped to gain control over the territory allotted to them under the Partition Plan."

Seems we have two competing histories.

Maybe we do have competing histories. I will research further. It still doesn't negate the perpetual Israel take over. Palestine literally has only 25% of the land they had in 1947. Israel has the rest. 

Vegas » 01 Nov 2023, 4:15 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2023, 4:15 pm

Maybe we do have competing histories. I will research further. It still doesn't negate the perpetual Israel take over. Palestine literally has only 25% of the land they had in 1947. Israel has the rest.

https://images.app.goo.gl/oveneGKwUobbh6jZ8


Looks to me that Jaffa and the surrounding area was already part of the original partition plan set up by the British and U.N..


Fake map maybe???
 

Vegas » 01 Nov 2023, 2:08 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2023, 2:08 pm

Kill them because they are not a country.       Gee...okay. I guess that's a good reason.

yes. kill all Hamas. WTF is so hard to understand about that?

Vegas » 01 Nov 2023, 2:32 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2023, 2:32 pm

And what is wrong withy this ^^^?  Israel did it. They want their land that Israel illegally took. What the hell is wrong with that?

When you attack somebody and lose, you also lose out territory. That's what happens when you lose a war

Vegas » 01 Nov 2023, 3:57 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2023, 3:57 pm

You didn't read a word I wrote, did you?

Sure did. How large were the three offers for the two state solutions? Sorry but they had three chances. It's time for a one state solution. No occupation, no apartheid. Arab Muslims in Israel are seldom involved in terrorist attacks? Why is that? Integrating the area into a single Israeli state is the solution. **** Palestine. 
 
 

Vegas » 01 Nov 2023, 12:13 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2023, 12:13 pm

Clearly not. 

Don't care. Irrelevant. That doesn't negate bombing women and children, like they have done for decades. Even Hitler was nice to his dog. So?

I have already went over this 3 times. There won't be a forth. I have no obligation to repeat myself when you refuse to listen. You have been duped. 

What makes actual evolving irrelevant? Social consensus from 5 corrupted generation gaps living here now always been just one species with separate ancestral lineages.

Vegas » 31 Oct 2023, 12:21 pm » wrote: ↑

31 Oct 2023, 12:21 pm

Israel has been invading their land for decades. 

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MTF still wonders:   Well it is like this (for one thing)...I've heard about Israel's and read about it but I have never seen it defined.
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MackTheFinger » 01 Nov 2023, 6:22 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2023, 6:22 pm

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You're a hack but fast forward...will you describe Israel Israels trayant
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MTF still wonders:   Well it is like this (for one thing)...I've heard about Israel's and read about it but I have never seen it defined.
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They have been buying lands inside the area that would have been Palestine, had the Muslims accepted any one of the three two state solutions they were offered. As far as I am concerned they rejected those offers so the land is up for grabs. The owners are being paid fair market value for it. Arabs can't reject something, attack Israel, and then complain when the borders they rejected aren't respected. 
 

Neo » 01 Nov 2023, 4:49 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2023, 4:49 pm

Sure did. How large were the three offers for the two state solutions? Sorry but they had three chances. It's time for a one state solution. No occupation, no apartheid. Arab Muslims in Israel are seldom involved in terrorist attacks? Why is that? Integrating the area into a single Israeli state is the solution. **** Palestine.

I don't care if they had 100 chances. If they are being **** during those 100 chances, then **** Israel.