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Cannonpointer » 02 Nov 2023, 2:22 am » wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2023, 2:22 am

Seriously, bro. You're down to the MIC's turtle?

You're quoting a fellow who calls proxies allies. Words matter - and people in leadership are responsible to use words responsibly. Your choice of authorities is abysmal. Of all the people on earth to reference, mitch mcconnell is truly the bottom of the barrel. 

Obama committed serious crimes and political stupidities when he armed the Kurds. They paid a price for it - but Obama knew they would going in. I said it before it happened - that Erdogan was going to go after the Kurds, and that this was going to damage US-Turkey relations. Hell, I could figure THAT much out, and I'm a regular joe with a decent vocab and reasonable typing skills.

trump armed the kurds. and took the weapons back so the turks could kill the kurds,

jerrab » 02 Nov 2023, 2:44 am » wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2023, 2:44 am

trump armed the kurds. and took the weapons back so the turks could kill the kurds,

Got milk?

Or for that matter, proof?
 

Cannonpointer » 02 Nov 2023, 2:22 am » wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2023, 2:22 am

Seriously, bro. You're down to the MIC's turtle?

You're quoting a fellow who calls proxies allies. Words matter - and people in leadership are responsible to use words responsibly. Your choice of authorities is abysmal. Of all the people on earth to reference, mitch mcconnell is truly the bottom of the barrel. 

Obama committed serious crimes and political stupidities when he armed the Kurds. They paid a price for it - but Obama knew they would going in. I said it before it happened - that Erdogan was going to go after the Kurds, and that this was going to damage US-Turkey relations. Hell, I could figure THAT much out, and I'm a regular joe with a decent vocab and reasonable typing skills.

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 28741.html

-President Trump’s decision to provide weapons to the Syrian Kurds, who are fighting Isis, potentially marks a crucial change in the political geography of the Middle East. In effect, the US is choosing to support its Kurdish ally in Syria, in defiance of Turkey, whose aim is to prevent the establishment of a quasi-independent Kurdish state there.Mr Trump approved a plan on Monday to arm the Kurds directly, in order to enable the People’s Mobilisation Units (YPG) Kurdish militia and its Arab allies to assault and capture Raqqa, the de facto capital of Isis in Syria. The US will send heavy machine guns, anti-tank weapons, mortars, armoured cars and engineering equipment to bolster the attack.
 

Cannonpointer » 02 Nov 2023, 2:22 am » wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2023, 2:22 am

Seriously, bro. You're down to the MIC's turtle?

You're quoting a fellow who calls proxies allies. Words matter - and people in leadership are responsible to use words responsibly. Your choice of authorities is abysmal. Of all the people on earth to reference, mitch mcconnell is truly the bottom of the barrel. 

Obama committed serious crimes and political stupidities when he armed the Kurds. They paid a price for it - but Obama knew they would going in. I said it before it happened - that Erdogan was going to go after the Kurds, and that this was going to damage US-Turkey relations. Hell, I could figure THAT much out, and I'm a regular joe with a decent vocab and reasonable typing skills.

they all made statements how awful it was,

jerrab » 02 Nov 2023, 2:48 am » wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2023, 2:48 am

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 28741.html

-President Trump’s decision to provide weapons to the Syrian Kurds, who are fighting Isis, potentially marks a crucial change in the political geography of the Middle East. In effect, the US is choosing to support its Kurdish ally in Syria, in defiance of Turkey, whose aim is to prevent the establishment of a quasi-independent Kurdish state there.Mr Trump approved a plan on Monday to arm the Kurds directly, in order to enable the People’s Mobilisation Units (YPG) Kurdish militia and its Arab allies to assault and capture Raqqa, the de facto capital of Isis in Syria. The US will send heavy machine guns, anti-tank weapons, mortars, armoured cars and engineering equipment to bolster the attack.

Thanks for that. I hope you took note that your own source reinforces my argument about the inevitability of the outcome for the Kurds. Turkey is a NATO ally. 

But you are correct. The kurds did not get arms from us until 2017 - which is when I started screaming to the board where this would lead. 

I was wrong. Obama did not **** the kurds. Trump did. You were correct. And that actually makes more sense. Obama was too smart to piss in Erdogan's face. Trump couldn't SPELL Erdogan. Please accept my apology.

Now, to make me feel better, let's talk about how dumb you are on ISIS not having a state sponsor.
 

jerrab » 02 Nov 2023, 2:57 am » wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2023, 2:57 am

they all made statements how awful it was,

"They all" suck MIC cock.
 

Cannonpointer » 01 Nov 2023, 8:09 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2023, 8:09 pm

You didn't read the commissary list, fruitcake. They have those things.

People tend to take happiness where they can. The halls of prisons are often filled with laughter. What they are laughing ABOUT might be a bit hard - but they laugh. People laugh. People smile. Sorry they are not sufficiently downcast for your tastes - but let's be straight with each other. You wouldn't give a **** - it would cheer you. 

I guess those spirituals the ****** sang on the plantation is proof they loved their chains in your small mind, little man. 
 
 
 

Misery loves company, so idealistic franchises of humanity assure misery is founded in every reality saving tomorrows today by ignoring the common since conceived results self evidently here every next generation gap added until additions don't arrive again.

Examples, exemptions, exceptions, philosophy, psychology, psychiatry, possibilities, academia, arts, economics, politics, religions, ancestral social consensus works against individualistic understanding of time relative to space displaced here now.

Temptation to believe there is more to living than meets the eyes, ears, touch, emotions, smell, taste, sense of proportion, pride, regret, need, want, accepted, rejected, included, excluded, typecast, stereotyped, unnatural, naturally.

Generation gaps of ancestors never same reproductions again while always male or female by 2 genders at birth, 1 of 4 grandparents as a grandchild, 1 of 8 great grandparents as a great grandchild, always 1 of 16 great great grandparents to each great great grandchild.

but in actual time evolving since inception of ancestral lineages the sequence of proportional chromosomes inverse from 100% one of a kind to 50% each parent, 25% each grandparent, 12.5% each great grandparent, 6.25% each great grandparent, 3.125% of one's 32 great great great grandparents.

Dominate genes vs recessive genes change when? 4th generation, 5th generation, 6th generation after inception.

Because the universal constant to the math is siblings that didn't become parents or parents that outlived their children do have ancestors still alive.

Time is the environment of adapt or become extinct as occupying the moment here. Humanity has corrupted its own displacements and those governing the replacements won't allow them to comprehend how eternity operates in actual time evolving here happens.

Chain of command between households and global economics. The alternate realities and parallel universes of pretending now isn't eternity created in context since dawn of civilizing the human spirit/intellect over instinct(self awareness) to wish now wasn't all it has ever been.

Pride before the downfall.
We the people insist no one resist possibilities or else.
Better to live corrupted than get executed for honesty. Biblical story of Jesus mythologically being son of God Christianity rejected by judeo, islam, hindu, zen, paganism, satanism.

I have instinctively followed combined chromosomes beginning to current situation by understanding one universal constant, time each has is the current series parallel space each is occupying in their one time ancestral position now.

I discovered there has never been missing links to compounded chromosomes here each ancestor is never same form shaped a fertilized cell until decomposed corpse.

Uniqueness is a natural process no exceptions.

Cannonpointer » 02 Nov 2023, 3:15 am » wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2023, 3:15 am

Thanks for that. I hope you took note that your own source reinforces my argument about the inevitability of the outcome for the Kurds. Turkey is a NATO ally. 

But you are correct. The kurds did not get arms from us until 2017 - which is when I started screaming to the board where this would lead. 

I was wrong. Obama did not **** the kurds. Trump did. You were correct. And that actually makes more sense. Obama was too smart to piss in Erdogan's face. Trump couldn't SPELL Erdogan. Please accept my apology.

Now, to make me feel better, let's talk about how dumb you are on ISIS not having a state sponsor.

I have not seen any evidence with isis connected with anyone. isis is an example of religion gone bad, killing for God.

when trump let the isis prisoners escape they went somewhere, perhaps to hamas, at least some.
 

Cannonpointer » 02 Nov 2023, 3:15 am » wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2023, 3:15 am

Thanks for that. I hope you took note that your own source reinforces my argument about the inevitability of the outcome for the Kurds. Turkey is a NATO ally. 

But you are correct. The kurds did not get arms from us until 2017 - which is when I started screaming to the board where this would lead. 

I was wrong. Obama did not **** the kurds. Trump did. You were correct. And that actually makes more sense. Obama was too smart to piss in Erdogan's face. Trump couldn't SPELL Erdogan. Please accept my apology.

Now, to make me feel better, let's talk about how dumb you are on ISIS not having a state sponsor.

So funny, no state sponsors.  50,000 men, BILLIONS$$$ in weapons, 1,000 4WD Toyota trucks...  

Just suddenly popped out of the sand.  Gen Flynn exposed this in about 2013.  He mused..."who is building this force".

Why, shocker, the CIA through the Saudis. 

The Goal - take out Assad and turn Syria into Libya - for pipelines to Turkey then to Europe. To bypass Russia.

*** DC never dreamed Assad would invite Putin in to kill .....CIA JIHADIS    ....ITS GLORIOUS!!!
 

jerrab » 02 Nov 2023, 12:32 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2023, 12:32 pm

I have not seen any evidence with isis connected with anyone.

Of course you haven't. But you're an adult. Any barbie parties you attend are attended ironically. 

So you're old enough to be accountable to figure out that a band of primitives cannot defeat the Syrians, Iranians, Russians, Americans, and the assorted proxies of all those nations - including Hezbollah. 

The "found weapons" narrative has driven me to the thesaurus. I've got dippy, asinine and nitwitted.

The fact that such a powerful and prominent terrorist organization has no state sponsor should be a clue-stick buffeting you about the head and neck. 

In a past thread, I used information from government sources to prove that our (likely the queen's, in reality) CIA is training ISIS fighters in the north of Lebanon, to send them against al Assad. But I'm not going to paper chase for it. 

You know for an undisputed fact that the US is using proxies against al Assad - is this not true? Besides the Kurds, name those proxies if you can. I say that one of those proxies is ISIS. If you disagree, tell us who the US IS using. 
 

jerrab » 02 Nov 2023, 12:32 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2023, 12:32 pm

I have not seen any evidence with isis connected with anyone. isis is an example of religion gone bad, killing for God.

when trump let the isis prisoners escape they went somewhere, perhaps to hamas, at least some.

Sir, ISIS was used as a proxy army to take out Assad and overthrow Syria 
AS ALWAYS to install a US friendly dictator.

Thank God Putin killed the CIA JIHADIS
 

Sumela » 02 Nov 2023, 12:54 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2023, 12:54 pm

So funny, no state sponsors.  50,000 men, BILLIONS$$$ in weapons, 1,000 4WD Toyota trucks...

No they found that stuff - and enough ammunition to last more than a decade.

No, really. Ask @jerra b.

Sumela » 02 Nov 2023, 12:54 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2023, 12:54 pm

Just suddenly popped out of the sand.  Gen Flynn exposed this in about 2013.  He mused..."who is building this force".

Why, shocker, the CIA through the Saudis. 

The Goal - take out Assad and turn Syria into Libya - for pipelines to Turkey then to Europe. To bypass Russia.

*** DC never dreamed Assad would invite Putin in to kill .....CIA JIHADIS    ....ITS GLORIOUS!!!

lol!
 

Cannonpointer » 02 Nov 2023, 12:54 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2023, 12:54 pm

Of course you haven't. But you're an adult. Any barbie parties you attend are attended ironically. 

So you're old enough to be accountable to figure out that a band of primitives cannot defeat the Syrians, Iranians, Russians, Americans, and the assorted proxies of all those nations - including Hezbollah. 

The "found weapons" narrative has driven me to the thesaurus. I've got dippy, asinine and nitwitted.

The fact that such a powerful and prominent terrorist organization has no state sponsor should be a clue-stick buffeting you abut the head and neck. 

In a past thread, I used information from government sources to prove that our (likely the queen's, in reality) CIA is training ISIS fighters in the north of Lebanon, to send them against al Assad. But I'm not going to paper chase for it. 

You know for an undisputed fact that the US is using proxies against al Assad - is this not true? Besides the Kurds, name those proxies if you can. I say that one of those proxies is ISIS. If you disagree, tell us who the US IS using.

Many believe the CIA funded ISIS with weapons from Libya.

Recall the diversion with embassy folks got killed....connected with the transfer of weapons.


 

Cannonpointer » 02 Nov 2023, 12:57 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2023, 12:57 pm

No they found that stuff - and enough ammunition to last more than a decade.

No, really. Ask @jerra b.

lol!

Jerra seems a solid Liberal on many issues.  I like the guy.
But he holds Obama and Hillary in high esteem.
He could never accept they had anything to do with ISIS
 

Sumela » 02 Nov 2023, 1:01 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2023, 1:01 pm

Jerra seems a solid Liberal on many issues.  I like the guy.
But he holds Obama and Hillary in high esteem.
He could never accept they had anything to do with ISIS

He holds HITLERY in high esteem? OMG - he's been borged. 
 
Here's my question: Given that Obama kicked off the trans **** with an E.O., how did that not drop the *** in @jerra b's esteem?

Cannonpointer » 02 Nov 2023, 1:02 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2023, 1:02 pm

He holds HITLERY in high esteem? OMG - he's been borged. 
 
Here's my question: Given that Obama kicked off the trans **** with an E.O., how did that not drop the *** in @jerra b's esteem?

I dunno bro - Id have to see his response.
 

Cannonpointer » 02 Nov 2023, 12:54 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2023, 12:54 pm

Of course you haven't. But you're an adult. Any barbie parties you attend are attended ironically. 

So you're old enough to be accountable to figure out that a band of primitives cannot defeat the Syrians, Iranians, Russians, Americans, and the assorted proxies of all those nations - including Hezbollah. 

The "found weapons" narrative has driven me to the thesaurus. I've got dippy, asinine and nitwitted.

The fact that such a powerful and prominent terrorist organization has no state sponsor should be a clue-stick buffeting you about the head and neck. 

In a past thread, I used information from government sources to prove that our (likely the queen's, in reality) CIA is training ISIS fighters in the north of Lebanon, to send them against al Assad. But I'm not going to paper chase for it. 

You know for an undisputed fact that the US is using proxies against al Assad - is this not true? Besides the Kurds, name those proxies if you can. I say that one of those proxies is ISIS. If you disagree, tell us who the US IS using.

the kurds in syria never fought assad. he was happy there were there fighting isis.

at the time there was a lot of fighting in syria and isis took the distraction as a way to organize and attack.

Sumela » 02 Nov 2023, 1:01 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2023, 1:01 pm

Jerra seems a solid Liberal on many issues.  I like the guy.
But he holds Obama and Hillary in high esteem.
He could never accept they had anything to do with ISIS

killing for God was isis's mission. 

jerrab » 02 Nov 2023, 1:27 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2023, 1:27 pm

the kurds in syria never fought assad. he was happy there were there fighting isis.

at the time there was a lot of fighting in syria and isis took the distraction as a way to organize and attack.

Who provided ISIS with the intel, the materiel and the training necessary for attacks on professional militaries?

Whence derived their ammunition, a full decade after their initial imaginary found gun grab in iraq?

Who gives ISIS their life support? What proxies DID the USA use against al Assad?

I keep asking and you keep answering other questions. 
 

jerrab » 02 Nov 2023, 1:31 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2023, 1:31 pm

killing for God was isis's mission.

Of course many of them, probably most.  

Thats how proxy armies work.  Take that fervency

and point it at the target....CIA is very good at that.  

Just look at Ukraine.  Osama Bin Laden.  On and on and on....over and over again.