Just for the record, those teenagers were dessert. The main course was an IDF base.maineman » 07 Nov 2023, 10:11 pm » wrote: ↑ blood counts on both sides. I condemn both sides for their inability to be grown up and beat **** swords into **** plowshares.
I ABHOR what Israel has done in the west bank.... and I stand firm in my belief that if Hamas wants to capture the moral high ground in the PR battle, slaughtering thousands of Israeli teenagers at a rock concert is not the best way to do that.
Cannonpointer » 07 Nov 2023, 10:13 pm » wrote: ↑ Just for the record, those teenagers were dessert. The main course was an IDF base.
Hamas has TRIED your tactic - just bleed really loud. They don't want the moral high ground. They want an end to apartheid and the right to own their properties without a government robbing them.
Israel could wash their hands of palis if they HELP them set up a government, rather than PREVENT them.
But israel wants their **** land. And they want that land free of palis. So they torture and murder to get what they want.
You have a very shallow understanding, then - in spite of copious evidence.maineman » 07 Nov 2023, 10:18 pm » wrote: ↑ if Hamas had not been gluttons and had passed on dessert, they would be in a MUCH better position, PR wise. I think that most Israelis would back a TWO state solution, but not a three-state solution. If Abbas could unify Gaza and the West Bank, I think that Bibi could be brought - kicking and screaming, perhaps - to the table.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1721968975116911040Cannonpointer » 07 Nov 2023, 10:13 pm » wrote: ↑ Just for the record, those teenagers were dessert. The main course was an IDF base.
Hamas has TRIED your tactic - just bleed really loud. They don't want the moral high ground. They want an end to apartheid and the right to own their properties without a government robbing them.
Israel could wash their hands of palis if they HELP them set up a government, rather than PREVENT them.
But israel wants their **** land. And they want that land free of palis. So they torture and murder to get what they want.
Cannonpointer » 07 Nov 2023, 10:20 pm » wrote: ↑ You have a very shallow understanding, then - in spite of copious evidence.
For STARTERS, the only reason the west bank and gaza are NOT under one government is israel's meddling and manipulation - in the very person of bibi, who you pretend would welcome reunification.
For enders, israel has not been shy. They want PAN-ISRAEL, and they want it desert-dog free.
If you doubt my claim about bibi's meddling, speak right up. I'll give you proofs from israeli newspapers and other friendly sources.
The majority of israelis are irrelevant - israel is not a democracy.maineman » 07 Nov 2023, 10:28 pm » wrote: ↑ You don't have to sell me on your opinion that Bibi is fascist asshole. I am there. I do NOT believe that the majority of Israelis - who, admittedly, it was a long time ago that I lived amongst them - would not support a two state solution if it meant that the rockets would stop.
By the way, I do not argue with this. But I WILL point out that the high road, for palis, just leads to more of them dying, if past is prologue. More humiliation, more dispossession. If they do not shock the world, they do not get heard. I don't know EXACTLY how much influence palestinians have with the MSM compared to israelis, but...maineman » 07 Nov 2023, 10:18 pm » wrote: ↑ if Hamas had not been gluttons and had passed on dessert, they would be in a MUCH better position, PR wise.
Pearl harbor wasn't terrorism, it was an act of war. 911 was terrorism. Difference.Cannonpointer » 07 Nov 2023, 10:09 pm » wrote: ↑ You buy into and purvey a **** of a lot of **** talking points on the issue of israel. For example, the claim that Hamas "hidees behind civilians." I don't know how much you know about american military life, but many members of the military house their families on base - hiding behind them like cowards, apparently. Using them as human shields.
There isn't a country in the world whose military is not embedded in civilian areas.
Based on your talking points, the most ferocious armies on earth are all cowards.
That doesn't respond to my post.Neo » 08 Nov 2023, 1:03 am » wrote: ↑ Pearl harbor wasn't terrorism, it was an act of war. 911 was terrorism. Difference.
the other 1/3rd in the collection was never found?
Sshhhhhh. You'll upset the Anti Semitic ASSHOLES!!
*******!! They HAD A "2 State solution" ****, and elected HAMAS to run their nation in 2007 or 08.maineman » 07 Nov 2023, 10:28 pm » wrote: ↑ You don't have to sell me on your opinion that Bibi is fascist asshole. I am there. I do NOT believe that the majority of Israelis - who, admittedly, it was a long time ago that I lived amongst them - would not support a two state solution if it meant that the rockets would stop.
No one called pearl harbor terrorism though civilians died. No one called dresden terrorism. Hiroshima and Nagasaki....a case could be made. There is not enough spin in all the dreidels in the world to make the Hamas attack not terrorism.
those recording history never tell the complete story of events gone by or everyone would be honest about evolving forward here.Neo » 08 Nov 2023, 9:22 am » wrote: ↑ No one called pearl harbor terrorism though civilians died. No one called dresden terrorism. Hiroshima and Nagasaki....a case could be made. There is not enough spin in all the dreidels in the world to make the Hamas attack not terrorism.
It was a revolt by slaves who were mistreated for 70 years.Neo » 08 Nov 2023, 9:22 am » wrote: ↑ No one called pearl harbor terrorism though civilians died. No one called dresden terrorism. Hiroshima and Nagasaki....a case could be made. There is not enough spin in all the dreidels in the world to make the Hamas attack not terrorism.

Settle down Trailer Park John Wayne - before you stroke outPhiloBeddo » 08 Nov 2023, 10:52 am » wrote: ↑ All land is owned by whoever takes it and protects it with the most violence.
What makes you think they weren't ready for it? 1400 people is a small price to pay to get rid of Hamas with global sympathy given to Israel.Sumela » 08 Nov 2023, 10:33 am » wrote: ↑ It was a revolt by slaves who were mistreated for 70 years.
Quite reasonable to expect actually. Why wasn't Pissrael ready for it?
I don't get strokes, I give em.Sumela » 08 Nov 2023, 10:53 am » wrote: ↑ Settle down Trailer Park John Wayne - before you stroke out
Agreed, Jews are that evil and that ruthlessNeo » 08 Nov 2023, 10:55 am » wrote: ↑ What makes you think they weren't ready for it? 1400 people is a small price to pay to get rid of Hamas with global sympathy given to Israel.