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Tempest62 » 09 Nov 2023, 12:40 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2023, 12:40 pm

There was a large demonstration-rally 2 blocks from the White House by pro-Islamist / pro Hamas / pro sharia supremacists calling for violence against congress. violence against Americans, and the literal overthrow of the United States.

This is real Islam. It’s not about live and let live. It’s about Islamic supremacy across the planet.

''''''It’s not about live and let live. It’s about Islamic supremacy across the planet.'''''

Dear Sir,

And what ...is ...the American Empire, ExceptionalJIZM, 900 military bases,
endless wars, sanctions, regime change wars/coups, a military budget bigger
larger than the next 5 countries combined, assassination....

...all about?           


 

Majik » 09 Nov 2023, 10:16 am » wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2023, 10:16 am

Or....
Hamas leadership is doing what it was always intended to do when Israeli Zionist hardliner's  first created Hamas.......as controlled opposition....
Take a good look at what Netanyahu is now saying ....
that Israel will Occupy Gaza indefinitely and that Gazan's will have no right of return to gaza after this conflict is over .....and is now in talks with *** Trudeau in taking in 1.5 million Gazan refugees into Canada .
Seems to me that Israel will re-envelope Gaza back into greater Israel leaving only the West Bank as being the last refuge of any remaining Palestinians ....

What happened to you?

RebelGator » 09 Nov 2023, 1:04 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2023, 1:04 pm

What happened to you?

We know what happened to you...

You take daily rapings from WASH DC propaganda

and you love it....SwampGator    

RedheadedStranger » 09 Nov 2023, 12:54 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2023, 12:54 pm

Maybe Israel doesn't feel like declaring war on Qatar or Turkey at the moment?

Erdogan the Ottoman Empire Turk is bringing back the old days and will be expanding Islamic supremacist theology once again.

 

Sumela » 09 Nov 2023, 12:59 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2023, 12:59 pm

''''''It’s not about live and let live. It’s about Islamic supremacy across the planet.'''''

Dear Sir,

And what ...is ...the American Empire, ExceptionalJIZM, 900 military bases,
endless wars, sanctions, regime change wars/coups, a military budget bigger
larger than the next 5 countries combined, assassination....

...all about?         

totally agreed my dear sir

the question is, are we worth saving? In our current form, NO. In our originalist form, YES. this is why Marxist-progressivism along with our arrogance must be killed. 

 
 

Tempest62 » 09 Nov 2023, 1:24 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2023, 1:24 pm

totally agreed my dear sir

the question is, are we worth saving?

You see the bloodlust here?  The ignorance?  The soullessness?
Id guess 75% here are lathered up and salivating over every dead Pali child.

And they are not joking.  They NEED this.  They NEED enemies and bloodshed.

Id translate that into 75% of America is the same.   

**** it - let it all burn.  Its already all crumbling and this will accelerate.          
 

Sumela » 09 Nov 2023, 1:30 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2023, 1:30 pm

You see the bloodlust here?  The ignorance?  The soullessness?
Id guess 75% here are lathered up and salivating over every dead Pali child.

And they are not joking.  They NEED this.  They NEED enemies and bloodshed.

Id translate that into 75% of America is the same.   

**** it - let it all burn.  Its already all crumbling and this will accelerate.        

the bloodlust needs to stop on everyone’s behalf. neither side is clean. it is all a **** and both are guilty to the nines.

Tempest62 » 09 Nov 2023, 1:47 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2023, 1:47 pm

the bloodlust needs to stop on everyone’s behalf. neither side is clean. it is all a **** and both are guilty to the nines.

true words

Tempest62 » 09 Nov 2023, 1:47 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2023, 1:47 pm

the bloodlust needs to stop on everyone’s behalf. neither side is clean. it is all a **** and both are guilty to the nines.

That's what I said right after 10/7 and ol' Smello here labeled me a "lying Zionist neocon" because I didn't hate the Jews with the same fervor that he does.

I guess that makes you a lying Zionist neocon too huh?

 


 

jerrab » 09 Nov 2023, 2:59 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2023, 2:59 pm

true words

That's what I said right after 10/7 and ol' Smello here labeled me a "lying Zionist neocon" because I didn't hate the Jews with the same fervor that he does.

I guess that makes you a lying Zionist neocon too huh?

  

RedheadedStranger » 09 Nov 2023, 3:02 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2023, 3:02 pm

That's what I said right after 10/7 and ol' Smello here labeled me a "lying Zionist neocon" because I didn't hate the Jews with the same fervor that he does.

I guess that makes you a lying Zionist neocon too huh?

from what I understand of political Zionism at this point, it was born in hell just as Islam has.

Don't all leaders live like that?

LincolnNebraska » 09 Nov 2023, 4:10 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2023, 4:10 pm

Don't all leaders live like that?

America doesnt have any leaders - just grifters.
 

Majik » 09 Nov 2023, 10:16 am » wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2023, 10:16 am

Or....
Hamas leadership is doing what it was always intended to do when Israeli Zionist hardliner's  first created Hamas.......as controlled opposition....
Take a good look at what Netanyahu is now saying ....
that Israel will Occupy Gaza indefinitely and that Gazan's will have no right of return to gaza after this conflict is over .....and is now in talks with *** Trudeau in taking in 1.5 million Gazan refugees into Canada .
Seems to me that Israel will re-envelope Gaza back into greater Israel leaving only the West Bank as being the last refuge of any remaining Palestinians ....

Perhaps they should have taken one of the three offers of a two state solution instead of declaring intifada? Spoiled **** children don't deserve candy. 
 

RedheadedStranger » 09 Nov 2023, 3:03 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2023, 3:03 pm

That's what I said right after 10/7 and ol' Smello here labeled me a "lying Zionist neocon" because I didn't hate the Jews with the same fervor that he does.

I guess that makes you a lying Zionist neocon too huh?

I don't know, lets see how many times you answer yes.

do you think israel had the right to evict people in gaza when ever they wanted to?

do you think israel should block  people from going into mosques?

and for a 10 point bouns question do you think biden and blinken should have rejected security council measures against israel? (prior to 10-7) for actions against the people of gaza?
 
 

RedheadedStranger » 09 Nov 2023, 3:03 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2023, 3:03 pm

That's what I said right after 10/7 and ol' Smello here labeled me a "lying Zionist neocon" because I didn't hate the Jews with the same fervor that he does.

I guess that makes you a lying Zionist neocon too huh?

and for a triple bonus question do you think US taxpayer money should be used in israel against the people in gaza??

jerrab » 09 Nov 2023, 5:39 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2023, 5:39 pm

and for a triple bonus question do you think US taxpayer money should be used in israel against the people in gaza??

Nope. I've been against funding foreign wars under the guise of  taxpayer funded "aid" for most of my adult life now.

With that being said, I think that is disingenuous to advocate pulling said funding while a war is already raging.

Even if the West did cut all funding and support for Israel at this point, you can rest assured that the Iranians and the Arab world wouldn't quit funding Hamas and Hezbollah because of it... which would in turn result in the annihilation of the Jews in the M.E. in short order, which is apparently what a lot of people on this forum would love to see anyway.

While it's better to never back one side or the other in the first place, once you do, you need to see it through once the fight has started. 

You raged about how we hung the Kurds out to dry after getting them involved in a fight, yet that's exactly what you want to do to the Jews in the Middle East now.

It's a bit hypocritical to say the least.

 
 

RedheadedStranger » 09 Nov 2023, 6:11 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2023, 6:11 pm

Nope. I've been against funding foreign wars under the guise of  taxpayer funded "aid" for most of my adult life now.

With that being said, I think that is disingenuous to advocate pulling said funding while a war is already raging.

Even if the West did cut all funding and support for Israel at this point, you can rest assured that the Iranians and the Arab world wouldn't quit funding Hamas and Hezbollah because of it... which would in turn result in the annihilation of the Jews in the M.E. in short order, which is apparently what a lot of people on this forum would love to see anyway.

While it's better to never back one side or the other in the first place, once you do, you need to see it through once the fight has started. 

You raged about how we hung the Kurds out to dry after getting them involved in a fight, yet that's exactly what you want to do to the Jews in the Middle East now.

It's a bit hypocritical to say the least.

the kurds were fighting with US soldiers against isis. not a comparable situation,

I am not talking about  money now but the money for 30 plus years, 3 billion dollars a year for israel. what I am complaining about is the treatment before 10/7 with the last 2 years being worse under biden. I am not a republican, party affiliation has nothing to do about how I feel.
 
 

jerrab » 09 Nov 2023, 6:55 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2023, 6:55 pm

the kurds were fighting with US soldiers against isis. not a comparable situation,

The only difference here is the lack of US boots on the ground in Gaza.

The IDF would be just as screwed as the Kurds were if we cut support/funding now, which makes it a comparable situation.

jerrab » 09 Nov 2023, 6:55 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2023, 6:55 pm

I am not talking about  money now but the money for 30 plus years, 3 billion dollars a year for israel. what I am complaining about is the treatment before 10/7 with the last 2 years being worse under biden. I am not a republican, party affiliation has nothing to do about how I feel.

And I agree... without the last 30 years of US taxpayer funded weaponry, logistics, and Intel in the region, we wouldn't be looking at anywhere near the same situation in the M.E. that we are dealing with today.

Today is a "spilled milk" situation, and the only thing pulling support for Israel at this point would accomplish is the genocide of the Jews in the region.

Is that what you want?

 
 

RedheadedStranger » 09 Nov 2023, 7:04 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2023, 7:04 pm

The only difference here is the lack of US boots on the ground in Gaza.

The IDF would be just as screwed as the Kurds were if we cut support/funding now, which makes it a comparable situation.


And I agree... without the last 30 years of US taxpayer funded weaponry, logistics, and Intel in the region, we wouldn't be looking at anywhere near the same situation in the M.E. that we are dealing with today.

Today is a "spilled milk" situation, and the only thing pulling support for Israel at this point would accomplish is the genocide of the Jews in the region.

Is that what you want?

 
 


 

 I am not talking about cutting money off now.

we have gotten ourselves in a pickle, a war that will never end

your post--------------And I agree... without the last 30 years of US taxpayer funded weaponry, logistics, and Intel in the region, we wouldn't be looking at anywhere near the same situation in the M.E. that we are dealing with today.--------------------///////

perhaps an agreement that israel will be more fair in gaza and no evictions etc would be one way to avert a permanent war. I don't know, something to consider.