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Tempest62 » 07 Dec 2023, 1:29 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Dec 2023, 1:29 pm

I think you’re an important voice here. I’ve learned a thing or two from you and appreciate your posts.

Thank-you.
it's of great importance that the world finds out about the hidden history of Zionism , It's collaboration with the Nazis, It's funding of the Nazi war machine and how they broke the Anti-Nazi blockade that would have if kept in place impaired Nazi Germany's ability to wage war and invoke The final solution against not only religious Jewry but all whom opposed them.
And The Zionist role in the holcaust.
and it is also equally important that the world finds out that the political Zionists of  today still in engage in the same kind of treachery that their predecessor's were engaged in so many years ago.
Israel is not a soley Zionist state as of yet to the chagrin of The Zionist Right-wing and there are many good Israelis that are Arabs , Jews,
 and Christians that do not agree with the extemism of the Zionist right-wing that has ruled Israel for the last 40+ years.
I am glad that the world especially the young are finally questioning and criticizing The Zionist right-wing of Israel ......armed with facts that can no longer be denied .



 

Kisses » 05 Dec 2023, 8:26 am » wrote: ↑

05 Dec 2023, 8:26 am

Wrong. There is proof, Have you conveniently ignored.…

A group of 200 forensic pathologists, anthropologists, radiologists and other experts from Israel, the U.S, Switzerland, New Zealand and elsewhere gathered at the National Center for Forensic Medicine in Tel Aviv to help identify remains from the Israsel-Hamas war.

They reported on Oct. 16 that victims of the Hamas attack were executed, bound and burned alive, and others were found decapitated – many of whom were babies. However, they said it was difficult to ascertain whether they were decapitated before or after death.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/fac ... 394076007/

 Report with photos here.

Yeah... Before Covid, that would have convinced me - and even now, it impresses me. I saw the Lancet buckle to the covid pressure. We've all seen bureaucracy after bureaucracy that purports to speak for the (non-voluntary) membership of this or that profession lie about their members' opinions with impunity. 

I'm not saying you don't have evidence. I'm just saying I don't have full confidence. Not any more. Not in any group of people whose members want to continue feeding their families. 
 

Majik » 07 Dec 2023, 2:09 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Dec 2023, 2:09 pm

Thank-you.
it's of great importance that the world finds out about the hidden history of Zionism , It's collaboration with the Nazis, It's funding of the Nazi war machine and how they broke the Anti-Nazi blockade that would have if kept in place impaired Nazi Germany's ability to wage war and invoke The final solution against not only religious Jewry but all whom opposed them.
And The Zionist role in the holcaust.
and it is also equally important that the world finds out that the political Zionists of  today still in engage in the same kind of treachery that their predecessor's were engaged in so many years ago.
Israel is not a soley Zionist state as of yet to the chagrin of The Zionist Right-wing and there are many good Israelis that are Arabs , Jews,
 and Christians that do not agree with the extemism of the Zionist right-wing that has ruled Israel for the last 40+ years.
I am glad that the world especially the young are finally questioning and criticizing The Zionist right-wing of Israel ......armed with facts that can no longer be denied .

Do you have any suggested reading on this? 

Majik » 07 Dec 2023, 10:35 am » wrote: ↑

07 Dec 2023, 10:35 am

Your false notion that I am a self-hating Jew because I am anti-Zionist is a construct of Zionism wrongly imposed upon world Jewry and propagated by the Zionists for almost a century now..
you speak of simple logic but are to cowardly in also applying it to Israel.​​​​​​

If you truly examine your feelings neatly packaged in a "it's okay because I just don't like they have a statehood", you might discover an ugly truth about yourself. I mean the absurdity in bending over backwards to justify the killing of Jews or ignoring it even happened is a giant clue.

And if you think that leaving one of the most protected and heavily surveilled  border's on the planet undermanned  after being warned by 2 of your biggest allies that an attack was imminent a week prior wasn't done on purpose then you don't have a clue how The IDF usually operates and takes all threats very seriously ....But why not this time ?

The whole scope of the "wall of Jericho" plan was wrongly and arrogantly concluded to not be possible of happening.
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They were wrong. 

We are told that Hamas killed 1500 Israelis but yet Haaretz reported that an Israeli gunship opened fire on the festival and two days later the story was pulled.....why?

Found this in less than 1 minute
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According to a police source, the investigation also indicates that an IDF combat helicopter that arrived to the scene and fired at terrorists there apparently also hit some festival participants

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/202 ... 1977917461

We are told that thousands of terrorists Paraglided over the security fence and attacked an electronic music festival but so far there is no video evidence caught by any of the thousands of security cameras the IDF has trained on the border......why is that?

Really? Because Hamas sent drones to disable communication & surveillance systems.

we are told that the IDF killed most of the Hamas terrorists attacking the Kibbutz's along the border but their is eyewitness testimony all over x/ twitter that the soldiers were firing indiscriminately and could not distinguish between Israelis and The terrorists.
which begs the question ...
just how many Israelis were gunned down by IDF forces fighting Hamas .....?

What's your point? It's going to be another giant clue if you're seriously blaming Israelis for any bullets that might have hit people running and screaming away from armed Palestinian militants trying to gun them down.

 
 

Kisses » 07 Dec 2023, 6:10 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Dec 2023, 6:10 pm

If you truly examine your feelings neatly packaged in a "it's okay because I just don't like they have a statehood", you might discover an ugly truth about yourself. I mean the absurdity in bending over backwards to justify the killing of Jews or ignoring it even happened is a giant clue.


The whole scope of the "wall of Jericho" plan was wrongly and arrogantly concluded to not be possible of happening.
.
They were wrong. 


Found this in less than 1 minute
.
According to a police source, the investigation also indicates that an IDF combat helicopter that arrived to the scene and fired at terrorists there apparently also hit some festival participants

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/202 ... 1977917461


Really? Because Hamas sent drones to disable communication & surveillance systems.


What's your point? It's going to be another giant clue if you're seriously blaming Israelis for any bullets that might have hit people running and screaming away from armed Palestinian militants trying to gun them down.

 
 

You ever use your brain as conceived you would recognize your socially nurtured mind as corrupted as eternal hell punishing a soul for non compliance to will of the people wishing now wasn't eternity while simply living genetically eternally separated in plain sight by your unique compounded chromosomes mapping your previous generation gaps since inception.

Reality has ancestors turning their back on how they ancestrally arrived in life limited to adapting to the moment here. I didn't start that **** and I was born into an ancestry held hostage by rule of law directing social behavior to benefit those in command of the flow of information academically, artistically, economically, politically, spiritually, within a family unit, ancestral lineage, community, country, species.

Power of suggesting life isn't self evidently evolving here now created mind over matter scenarios, context controls content forward by chain of command rank gets privileges the governed pay for, etc.

so you see It isn't your genetic body I am against, it is your ideology corrupting every human ever born I resent for corrupting my own ancestry as it has you and yours.

Kisses » 07 Dec 2023, 6:10 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Dec 2023, 6:10 pm

If you truly examine your feelings neatly packaged in a "it's okay because I just don't like they have a statehood", you might discover an ugly truth about yourself. I mean the absurdity in bending over backwards to justify the killing of Jews or ignoring it even happened is a giant clue.

The whole scope of the "wall of Jericho" plan was wrongly and arrogantly concluded to not be possible of happening.
.
They were wrong. 

Found this in less than 1 minute
.
According to a police source, the investigation also indicates that an IDF combat helicopter that arrived to the scene and fired at terrorists there apparently also hit some festival participants

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/202 ... 1977917461

Really? Because Hamas sent drones to disable communication & surveillance systems.

What's your point? It's going to be another giant clue if you're seriously blaming Israelis for any bullets that might have hit people running and screaming away from armed Palestinian militants trying to gun them down.

My point is ...
And always has been...
question every angle of skepticism  no matter where it leads you .......
and you are not willing to question as much as you are trying to defend the indefensible .......and that will always be your downfall....
 

Majik » 08 Dec 2023, 8:23 pm » wrote: ↑

08 Dec 2023, 8:23 pm

My point is ...
And always has been...
question every angle of skepticism  no matter where it leads you .......
and you are not willing to question as much as you are trying to defend the indefensible .......and that will always be your downfall....
 

Which skepticism? Now isn't eternity or genetics does sustain eternal separation of active reproductions inhabiting space ancestrally here now?

Cannonpointer » 07 Dec 2023, 4:04 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Dec 2023, 4:04 pm

Yeah... Before Covid, that would have convinced me - and even now, it impresses me. I saw the Lancet buckle to the covid pressure. We've all seen bureaucracy after bureaucracy that purports to speak for the (non-voluntary) membership of this or that profession lie about their members' opinions with impunity. 

I'm not saying you don't have evidence. I'm just saying I don't have full confidence. Not any more. Not in any group of people whose members want to continue feeding their families.

I get not fully trusting a bureaucracy blah blah blah, but I don't need 200 experts for me to believe armed militia that wants to annihilate the Jews savagely and brutally killed them during their attack.

 

Kisses » 09 Dec 2023, 12:06 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Dec 2023, 12:06 pm

I get not fully trusting a bureaucracy blah blah blah, but I don't need 200 experts for me to believe armed militia that wants to annihilate the Jews savagely and brutally killed them during their attack.

There are a number of problems with your observation. First, there are the hostages. They are evidence that killing was not the only thing on the minds of the militia. 

Second, whether you believe the reports or not speaks nothing to the credibility of the bureaucrats. I have LONG witnessed in the climate grift how the words of the scientists are invented out of whole cloth by the bureaucrats in possession of the microphones. Anyone can (and no one does) click on the links to the ACTUAL SCIENCE ABSTRACTS and see for themselves that the IPCC reports are just outright lying. So, my doubt of the bureaucrats stands well-founded by history and unaddressed by your response.

As to your sanguinity with the idea that Hamas is capable of brutality, we are in one accord. I am likewise sanguine with that claim. I just refuse to believe the atrocity propaganda, BECAUSE I HAVE SEEN THIS MOVIE BEFORE (google, "babies dumped out of incubators"). We have ALREADY CAUGHT Biden lying about having seen the evidence - a lie he hadda walk back. The stench of fear-porn propaganda is everywhere - making certainty a fool's game. 
 
 

Kisses » 09 Dec 2023, 12:06 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Dec 2023, 12:06 pm

I get not fully trusting a bureaucracy blah blah blah, but I don't need 200 experts for me to believe armed militia that wants to annihilate the Jews savagely and brutally killed them during their attack.

And bear in mind that I awarded the offering we are debating Post Of The Day, which earned you a thousand greenies - so it isn't like I didn't find it impressive. I'm just saying that when it comes to "official" sources, I can give you a big list of times when official sources lied through their teeth to the detriment of my ongoing confidence in them. My skepticism is EASILY justified. Your confidence in their integrity, did you profess it, could easily be poked full of holes.
 
 

Nostradamus'omh » 07 Dec 2023, 6:32 am » wrote: ↑

07 Dec 2023, 6:32 am

See this vernacular in your speech pattern? It is a Freudian slip in your self anointed social posturing. While I don't disagree with the point you made about Mahik, I never agree with your attitude of superior intellect.

When you call someone else "son" you are psychologically calling them inferior to your character role playing reality is larger than life adapting to time occupying space one ata time here.

Evolving eternally separates the existing ancestries alive one at a time in the entire food chain here.

Always has, always will with or without homo sapien ancestries occupying time now. I know my place in the overall picture the universe works with perpetual motion has physical limitations to fixed results never duplicate twice and everything existing between erosion and decomposition is what happens now in plain sight.

How living is actually self evident. And there were a few people that recognized that 247 years ago. Looks like I am the last ancestor honest enough to talk about it here in cyberspace brain to brain with people denying why they exist in the first place.

See my brain figured out original sin and final conflict are the same thing. A species denying they equally exist as limited to ancestrally present reproductively here one at a time.

Vanity of humanity is bring this species to extinction within itself. israel and hamas are just two examples.

It was not a slip, it was a definite on purpose comment meant to highlight the absurdity that armed terrorists would not brutally kill people.

As for attitudes of superior intellect, do you not see how you post? I don't think I'm the only one having to untangle your posts.

 

Kisses » 09 Dec 2023, 12:27 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Dec 2023, 12:27 pm

It was not a slip, it was a definite on purpose comment meant to highlight the absurdity that armed terrorists would not brutally kill people.

As for attitudes of superior intellect, do you not see how you post? I don't think I'm the only one having to untangle your posts.

I make it my practice to ban him from every thread I start. I can only hope others do it as well. If enough of us do, he will necessarily be painted right into a corner.

Kisses » 09 Dec 2023, 12:27 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Dec 2023, 12:27 pm

It was not a slip, it was a definite on purpose comment meant to highlight the absurdity that armed terrorists would not brutally kill people.

As for attitudes of superior intellect, do you not see how you post? I don't think I'm the only one having to untangle your posts.

 

Equally occupying space as any other replacement of their ancestral lineage. You stand for pride getting away with self deception practiced throughout history, I stand my time equally evolving now.

Yes I do see how I post. and I also witness 17 years of people never accepting life in real time evolving situation. I best describe it in my newest thread title alone.

Kept It Simple Stupid Ever Since

Cannonpointer » 09 Dec 2023, 12:24 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Dec 2023, 12:24 pm

And bear in mind that I awarded the offering we are debating Post Of The Day, which earned you a thousand greenies - so it isn't like I didn't find it impressive.

 

Wow, so that's why it went up. I did not know that. Last I was here we didn't have those features or money.  Thanks.   

I'm just saying that when it comes to "official" sources, I can give you a big list of times when official sources lied through their teeth to the detriment of my ongoing confidence in them. My skepticism is EASILY justified. Your confidence in their integrity, did you profess it, could easily be poked full of holes.

 Totally understand and only posted it because it was said to not exist.
 

Kisses » 09 Dec 2023, 12:53 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Dec 2023, 12:53 pm

Wow, so that's why it went up. I did not know that. Last I was here we didn't have those features or money.  Thanks.   

 Totally understand and only posted it because it was said to not exist.

You gotta be some yearage in arrearage on your posting, then. 

We've been doing post of the day for about 3&1/2 years.

Do you berember your SN from before?
 

Cannonpointer » 09 Dec 2023, 4:03 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Dec 2023, 4:03 pm

You gotta be some yearage in arrearage on your posting, then. 

We've been doing post of the day for about 3&1/2 years.

Do you berember your SN from before?

This was my screen name/account from before. I started in 2015. Late 2016 major posters disappeared, like Shintao & Isabel. They were my biggest debaters. Then Donald Trump…well he made politics really hard to stomach.  Early 2017 I lost my password and just didn't come back. I'm not surprised my post count and content was deleted.
 

Kisses » 14 Dec 2023, 2:40 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Dec 2023, 2:40 pm

This was my screen name/account from before. I started in 2015. Late 2016 major posters disappeared, like Shintao & Isabel. They were my biggest debaters. Then Donald Trump…well he made politics really hard to stomach.  Early 2017 I lost my password and just didn't come back. I'm not surprised my post count and content was deleted.

I don't understand the donald trump reference. 

Doesn't everyone pretty much agree that he was america's most fit and honest president ever?
 

Cannonpointer » 14 Dec 2023, 6:52 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Dec 2023, 6:52 pm

I don't understand the donald trump reference. 

Doesn't everyone pretty much agree that he was america's most fit and honest president ever?

That's some nice hyperbole you got there.

Donald Trump's tantrums & nasty behavior made him the most strategically stupid president I've known in my lifetime.

It was hard to watch. Very frustrating.

Kisses » 15 Dec 2023, 12:55 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2023, 12:55 pm

That's some nice hyperbole you got there.

Donald Trump's tantrums & nasty behavior made him the most strategically stupid president I've known in my lifetime.

It was hard to watch. Very frustrating.

You obviously care - there's your problem.

The minute you declare yourself the enemy of the federal government - or, put more frankly, the minute you stop lying to yourself that the federal government is not your deeply committed and vicious enemy, - Trump becomes the absolute most hilarious elevator-fart you've ever gas-attacked an innocent family of vacationers with. He is a **** DREAM - the Orange Avenger!

I mean, I never voted for him - didn't want to carry THAT to Meet Jesus Day. But I have absolutely reveled in his dazzling hijinks - everything from pushing diplomats aside so that he can preen for the cameras to making claims about being approached by strangers who are "coming up to him" and  "telling him things" - lofl. But then, one of my favorite books is the brilliant satire A Confederacy of Dunces, featuring protagonist Ignatius J. Reilly, who tweaks every nose we ever wanted to see tweaked and some we didn't.

Yeah - you're too invested, dear. You need to learn to hate the empire and enjoy its spiral into senile dementia. Once you divest, it is a **** HOOT!