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Cannonpointer » 20 Dec 2023, 12:44 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Dec 2023, 12:44 pm

 I cannot imagine why @Vegas  doubts they would do it again - other than he believes the Ukraine war is still being fought. If Russia needs to leave Ukraine and have the line respected, there are a whole bunch of ways they can pull that off. 
 

 

It's just difficult to tell which news sources are telling the truth about the war, so I never know. 

Cannonpointer » 20 Dec 2023, 12:50 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Dec 2023, 12:50 pm

That depends on whether israel keeps **** around with al Assad. 

I see the arab world coming together and peace breaking out between sunni and shia. Once that happens, they might not need Russia or China. They have infantry for days. All they need is AA - and Russia can supply it.

Id love to see it.
Could happen.  The Empire has been taking lots of L's lately.
 

Skans » 20 Dec 2023, 12:56 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Dec 2023, 12:56 pm

There end game is to eliminate Hamas.  They don't seem to be lying about that.  They are shooting and killing Hamas.

As for whether Israel will occupy Gaza - doubtful, but time will tell.  As far as I'm concerned, anytime someone starts a war with your country, the defending country has the right to annihilate and exterminate its enemy, and take whatever they want from the dead f-ers.

If Israel started the war with Palestinians just peacefully minding their own business, and lost that war - I'd say the same thing about them. 

I was going to ask you a couple of questions, but decided to save it for a new topic......

Israel never lived peacefully among Palistinians. They provoke these rocket attacks. Yes, Hamas is scum. I hope they get blown to hell. But Israel is no victim. 

Go ahead and ask your questions. 

Vegas » 20 Dec 2023, 12:59 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Dec 2023, 12:59 pm

Israel never lived peacefully among Palistinians. They provoke these rocket attacks. Yes, Hamas is scum. I hope they get blown to hell. But Israel is no victim. 

Go ahead and ask your questions.

I saw no evidence that Israel provoked rocket attacks.  Rape.  Murder.  Baby Murder.  Or hostage taking.  What do you base your claim that Israel provoked Hamas to do what it did?
 

Skans » 20 Dec 2023, 1:14 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Dec 2023, 1:14 pm

I saw no evidence that Israel provoked rocket attacks.  Rape.  Murder.  Baby Murder.  Or hostage taking.  What do you base your claim that Israel provoked Hamas to do what it did?

It's not just the recent attacks. It's the policies for the past 60 years. Keep in mind that Jews and the Palis lived on that land before it was divided up after the war. For the most part, they lived peacefully together. I mean for the most part. Then the UN came in and decided to divide it up that favored the Jews. From then on, Israel has slowly been encroaching on their land. Palestine went from having 100% of their land to now only 25%. Israel has taken it illegally. Nobody does anything because America has their back. 

Vegas » 20 Dec 2023, 12:57 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Dec 2023, 12:57 pm

It's just difficult to tell which news sources are telling the truth about the war, so I never know.

You don't need sources you can trust - they do not exist. What you need is to trust the sources when they agree. 

What they agree on is the battle lines. You can see where those are on the map. Believe it or not, where the front is tells you a lot about who is winning. Like, if the battle is being fought in YOUR town? The other team is up on you bro. 

They agree that Ukraine is now on the defensive. That means the lines, if dynamic, will move west. If not, they are frozen. 

They agree that Ukraine is getting cut off by NATO. The weapon systems promised have been delivered - and are not being meaningfully re-upped. 

They agree that EVEN IF NATO SUPPLIES F16s, it will be a meaningless gesture as it takes about a decade to integrate that platform into a military. Romania is seven years in, and making progress. 

The western media is admitting, in paper of record after paper of record, that NATO does not have the ammo to keep Ukraine on offense - and if you read closely, they are admitting they lack the ammo to provide even for defense. They explain it. In the western press. Every day. 

The war in Ukraine is over. It's on the Russians to decide what they will keep - which I predict is everything they have taken. 

Skans » 20 Dec 2023, 1:14 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Dec 2023, 1:14 pm

I saw no evidence that Israel provoked rocket attacks.  Rape.  Murder.  Baby Murder.  Or hostage taking.  What do you base your claim that Israel provoked Hamas to do what it did?

When I had yer mom in an open air prison for 70 years...that 
bitch could really lash out.

Vegas » 20 Dec 2023, 1:18 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Dec 2023, 1:18 pm

It's not just the recent attacks. It's the policies for the past 60 years. Keep in mind that Jews and the Palis lived on that land before it was divided up after the war. For the most part, they lived peacefully together. I mean for the most part. Then the UN came in and decided to divide it up that favored the Jews. From then on, Israel has slowly been encroaching on their land. Palestine went from having 100% of their land to now only 25%. Israel has taken it illegally. Nobody does anything because America has their back.

Palis had a nice life in Palestine until the West supported
Zionist invasion.  Been hell there ever since.

One of the simplest issues ever to be on the right side of.
BUT, Murkans love power projection and making the weak suffer.   Its weird man.

Cannonpointer » 20 Dec 2023, 1:21 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Dec 2023, 1:21 pm

You don't need sources you can trust - they do not exist. What you need is to trust the sources when they agree. 

What they agree on is the battle lines. You can see where those are on the map. Believe it or not, where the front is tells you a lot about who is winning. Like, if the battle is being fought in YOUR town? The other team is up on you bro. 

They agree that Ukraine is now on the defensive. That means the lines, if dynamic, will move west. If not, they are frozen. 

They agree that Ukraine is getting cut off by NATO. The weapon systems promised have been delivered - and are not being meaningfully re-upped. 

They agree that EVEN IF NATO SUPPLIES F16s, it will be a meaningless gesture as it takes about a decade to integrate that platform into a military. Romania is seven years in, and making progress. 

The western media is admitting, in paper of record after paper of record, that NATO does not have the ammo to keep Ukraine on offense - and if you read closely, they are admitting they lack the ammo to provide even for defense. They explain it. In the western press. Every day. 

The war in Ukraine is over. It's on the Russians to decide what they will keep - which I predict is everything they have taken.

Good points. So first we give our weapons to the Taliban, now we give them to Russia. Brilliant. 

At this point, why do we even have a military if we are just going to lose our **** to other countries anyway? Israel has billions of dollars worth of our machinery also. 

Vegas » 20 Dec 2023, 1:25 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Dec 2023, 1:25 pm

At this point, why do we even have a military

To rob, and to enforce perversion.

Not to protect America, which is being quite openly invaded while our tranny military - that YOU hope the best for - cavorts in foreign lands. 

Vegas » 20 Dec 2023, 1:18 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Dec 2023, 1:18 pm

It's not just the recent attacks. It's the policies for the past 60 years. Keep in mind that Jews and the Palis lived on that land before it was divided up after the war. For the most part, they lived peacefully together. I mean for the most part. Then the UN came in and decided to divide it up that favored the Jews. From then on, Israel has slowly been encroaching on their land. Palestine went from having 100% of their land to now only 25%. Israel has taken it illegally. Nobody does anything because America has their back.

So then, what you're saying is there was nothing specific that caused Hamas to initiate the attack, other than a border dispute that went unresolved.  Even though Israel on prior occasions offered to give the Palestinians 99% of the West Bank and 100% of Gaza in the past.  There are a few Jewish settlements in the West Bank amounting to about 1% of the land there. 

Now, Israel did take a piece of land from Syria - Golan.  But, that's not Palestinian land, that belonged to Syria. And, Israel did take a bunch of land belonging to Egypt when Egypt attacked Israel, but Israel gave back 100% of that land to Egypt.  And, Israel did take all of the West Bank and a sizeable chunk of Jordan when that land belonged to Jordan when Jordan attacked Israel.  But, Israel gave 100% of Jordan's land back to it and 99% of the Jordanian-Palestinian land back to the Palestinians, keeping about 1% of that land.  So, you're saying Hamas was justified over that 1 or 2% of West Bank land?  I call **** on that.

IMHO, Israel is morally justified in exterminating every last Gazan on that land and taking that land for themselves as the spoils of war. In fact, they would be justified in taking all of Yemen and Lebanon for warring with it. They don't have what it takes to hold onto that much land, but IMHO, they would be justified.
 

Skans » 20 Dec 2023, 1:53 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Dec 2023, 1:53 pm

So then, what you're saying is there was nothing specific that caused Hamas to initiate the attack, other than a border dispute that went unresolved.  Even though Israel on prior occasions offered to give the Palestinians 99% of the West Bank and 100% of Gaza in the past.  There are a few Jewish settlements in the West Bank amounting to about 1% of the land there.

That is all the dick sucking I can deal with from one *** at one time.

Have to read the rest later. 

Skans » 20 Dec 2023, 1:53 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Dec 2023, 1:53 pm

So then, what you're saying is there was nothing specific that caused Hamas to initiate the attack, other than a border dispute that went unresolved.  Even though Israel on prior occasions offered to give the Palestinians 99% of the West Bank and 100% of Gaza in the past.  There are a few Jewish settlements in the West Bank amounting to about 1% of the land there. 

Now, Israel did take a piece of land from Syria - Golan.  But, that's not Palestinian land, that belonged to Syria. And, Israel did take a bunch of land belonging to Egypt when Egypt attacked Israel, but Israel gave back 100% of that land to Egypt.  And, Israel did take all of the West Bank and a sizeable chunk of Jordan when that land belonged to Jordan when Jordan attacked Israel.  But, Israel gave 100% of Jordan's land back to it and 99% of the Jordanian-Palestinian land back to the Palestinians, keeping about 1% of that land.  So, you're saying Hamas was justified over that 1 or 2% of West Bank land?  I call **** on that.

IMHO, Israel is morally justified in exterminating every last Gazan on that land and taking that land for themselves as the spoils of war. In fact, they would be justified in taking all of Yemen and Lebanon for warring with it. They don't have what it takes to hold onto that much land, but IMHO, they would be justified.

Have you seen the before and after map? How is that ****? The proof is there. Just look: 


 

Vegas » 20 Dec 2023, 2:03 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Dec 2023, 2:03 pm

Have you seen the before and after map? How is that ****? The proof is there. Just look: 

One cant talk with Skanny while assuming he is a normal person.

Skanny is a real tough guy.  He'd bomb 100,000 brown kids before lunch if he could.

Thats always his first projection, tough guy....his 2nd projection is always BLOODLUST.

Neocons are some truly sick and diseased ****.
 

Vegas » 20 Dec 2023, 2:03 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Dec 2023, 2:03 pm

Have you seen the before and after map? How is that ****? The proof is there. Just look: 

Yes.  The map is ****.  Complete **** from a so-called "UN" Aljazera source.  Now, I've looked into that map and had to discover for myself what a bunch of **** that is.  Because, it does look rather convincing, doesn't it.
 

Skans » 20 Dec 2023, 2:10 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Dec 2023, 2:10 pm

Yes.  The map is ****.  Complete **** from a so-called "UN" Aljazera source.  Now, I've looked into that map and had to discover for myself what a bunch of **** that is.  Because, it does look rather convincing, doesn't it.

What is **** about it? The borders are real. The land mass is real. The surface area of each is real. 

Sumela » 20 Dec 2023, 12:38 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Dec 2023, 12:38 pm

And now the Houthis are saying they will send
1000s of mercenaries to Gaza - per RT. 

And I can only assume 1000s of Arab mercs
have already arrived.

Israel is taking an *** whooping.

You're a lunatic, go back to fellating Cannon.....it's your turn.

 

RebelGator » 20 Dec 2023, 3:05 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Dec 2023, 3:05 pm

You're a lunatic, go back to fellating Cannon.....it's your turn.

I bet you have a long track record of

underestimating 'enemies' and overestimating

empire vassal states. Its called ukSEPshunALjizm.

 

Vegas » 20 Dec 2023, 12:57 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Dec 2023, 12:57 pm

It's just difficult to tell which news sources are telling the truth about the war, so I never know.

Please tell me of one news source you watch who has told you
Israel will likely NOT reach its goals as stated in the war???
 

The Jew Supremacists of the USA and Israel are handling their MIDDLE EASTERN NEGRO PROBLEM like the KKK never could.