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walkingstick » 20 Dec 2023, 6:29 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Dec 2023, 6:29 pm

stocks in the dow will buy out all competition. thus increasing the value of the dow. with no competition, the members of dow will triple prices. i just made an error. dow will go to 300,000. or more. then, like the monopoly game, one company will own every thing. your shelter. your shoes. your food. everything. come to think of it. it sounds like today for the homeless.

Ever since I have recently gotten into trading, I understand how the market is rigged. It has little to do with the actual market. They are 'public' companies, but the public doesn't really have a lot of say into it. It's not rigged that way. 

Crypto is just as rigged, but at least the big guys rigging it will tell us which way they are rigging it. If you know the right people. 

walkingstick » 20 Dec 2023, 6:29 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Dec 2023, 6:29 pm

stocks in the dow will buy out all competition. thus increasing the value of the dow. with no competition, the members of dow will triple prices. i just made an error. dow will go to 300,000. or more. then, like the monopoly game, one company will own every thing. your shelter. your shoes. your food. everything. come to think of it. it sounds like today for the homeless.

Milk and eggs have doubled thanks plugs 

R.Suave » 21 Dec 2023, 11:06 am » wrote: ↑

21 Dec 2023, 11:06 am

Are you doing this "picking stocks" or "timing the market"?

Its a combination of a number of things.  Very basically, I periodically look at what I have.  I re-evaluate whether the companies and mutual funds I own still serve a particular purpose, whether it still makes sense to own them. 

I am constantly researching different companies and mutual funds.  I develop lists of positions I want to re-balance or liquidate to raise funds for a different investment. I also keep lists of companies and/or mutual funds I want to own - - - given the price and fundamentals are right.  If I find an "hole" that I want to fill with a particular investment (there has to be a good reason for this), then I work on liquidating or accumulating funds to pay for the position.  I try to time that with buying the targeted position when its "on sale".  Sometimes this is not possible; other times its a good use of a margin account to bridge the liquidation and acquisition.

Unless something goes awry, I typically hold my positions, long for over a year.  My investing approach has become more like Warren Buffett and less like Jesse Livermore over the years. 
 

Skans » 21 Dec 2023, 1:53 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Dec 2023, 1:53 pm

Its a combination of a number of things.  Very basically, I periodically look at what I have.  I re-evaluate whether the companies and mutual funds I own still serve a particular purpose, whether it still makes sense to own them. 

I am constantly researching different companies and mutual funds.  I develop lists of positions I want to re-balance or liquidate to raise funds for a different investment. I also keep lists of companies and/or mutual funds I want to own - - - given the price and fundamentals are right.  If I find an "hole" that I want to fill with a particular investment (there has to be a good reason for this), then I work on liquidating or accumulating funds to pay for the position.  I try to time that with buying the targeted position when its "on sale".  Sometimes this is not possible; other times its a good use of a margin account to bridge the liquidation and acquisition.

Unless something goes awry, I typically hold my positions, long for over a year.  My investing approach has become more like Warren Buffett and less like Jesse Livermore over the years.

You're welcome for Livermore.

But the point remains.

Rebalancing makes sense, but every time you believe you know something better than the market, you are "actively managing"...in the realm of publicly traded equities, selection has fared as described.

A recent paper may turn a lot of investing assumptions on their ear.

You’re Better Off Going All In on Stocks Than Bonds, New Research Finds

 https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... w-research

Though I know it will drive many insane, I will confess to having been involved in developing the marketing of just such a solution for a while...
 

Skans » 21 Dec 2023, 1:53 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Dec 2023, 1:53 pm

My investing approach has become more like Warren Buffett and less like Jesse Livermore over the years.

So you do equity deals/below market value private deals to take control of (mainly private) firms, replace their C suite with those aligned with your “vision,” and then collect the monies?

Because that’s what the Oracle actually does.

“Buy and hold” stocks is just what he tells the peons because

1) they don’t have enough monies
2) they would probably suck at what he does even if they had $100M in play monies
 

R.Suave » 21 Dec 2023, 12:51 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Dec 2023, 12:51 pm

Prove it is.

When you prove yours is ....
Because I'm being told to pull out before the biggest crash in history occurs early in the New Year .....

 
 

Majik » 21 Dec 2023, 2:06 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Dec 2023, 2:06 pm

When your prove yours is ....
Because I'm being told to pull out before the biggest crash in history occurs early in the New Year .....

@Z09  

As a registered professional I can be severely sanctioned for posting anything suggestive of investment advice or promotion, even anonymously, on an internet forum.

As a general rule, I don't pay much attention to the noise....I stick close to the data.



 

Majik » 21 Dec 2023, 2:06 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Dec 2023, 2:06 pm

When you prove yours is ....
Because I'm being told to pull out before the biggest crash in history occurs early in the New Year .....

There won’t be a magnificent crash early next year. Small pullback then 5000 SPX. 

Vegas » 21 Dec 2023, 12:57 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Dec 2023, 12:57 pm

Ever since I have recently gotten into trading, I understand how the market is rigged. It has little to do with the actual market. They are 'public' companies, but the public doesn't really have a lot of say into it. It's not rigged that way. 

Crypto is just as rigged, but at least the big guys rigging it will tell us which way they are rigging it. If you know the right people.

Ever since I have recently gotten into trading, I understand how the market is rigged

how "recently"?

They are 'public' companies, but the public doesn't really have a lot of say into it.

"public" refers to the markets where they are traded....the equity of "publicly traded" companies is available to the broad population

"Privately" traded equity is not.

Crypto is just as rigged

No..its just entirely speculative, thus ripe for mania and fraud.

You are an idiot, you shouldn't be burning you wife's and uncle's monies joining The Stupid Money.


 

R.Suave » 21 Dec 2023, 2:37 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Dec 2023, 2:37 pm

how "recently"?

 

Rule, idiot. 
Seriously, you are the slowest **** learner I have ever met. 

"public" refers to the markets where they are traded....the equity of "publicly traded" companies is available to the broad population

"Privately" traded equity is not.

No..its just entirely speculative, thus ripe for mania and fraud.

You are an idiot, you shouldn't be burning you wife's and uncle's monies joining The Stupid Money.

It's not speculative ****. 

I would give  you a clear example, but you don't read past 4 or 5 words, so it would be pointless. 

Vegas » 21 Dec 2023, 2:39 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Dec 2023, 2:39 pm

Rule, idiot. 
Seriously, you are the slowest **** learner I have ever met. 

It's not speculative ****. 

I would give  you a clear example, but you don't read past 4 or 5 words, so it would be pointless.

No, cretin.

Just post a mean and variance for the asset class...

R.Suave » 21 Dec 2023, 2:45 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Dec 2023, 2:45 pm

No, cretin.

Just post a mean and variance for the asset class...

Rule, idiot. 

**** your demands. 

And the mean and variance of the asset class is completely irrelevant to my post. You are trying to sound smart again. It never works. 



Challenge.
1. Same lies. 
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Vegas » 21 Dec 2023, 2:47 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Dec 2023, 2:47 pm

Rule, idiot. 

**** your demands. 

And the mean and variance of the asset class is completely irrelevant to my post. You are trying to sound smart again. It never works. 

Challenge.
1. Same lies. 
2. Deflect to pics

If you have no mean or variance, you're speculating.

R.Suave » 21 Dec 2023, 2:51 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Dec 2023, 2:51 pm

If you have no mean or variance, you're speculating.

Shiut up. You don't even know the meaning of those words in this context. 

Either address my real claim or **** off. 


Challenge.
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Vegas » 21 Dec 2023, 2:52 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Dec 2023, 2:52 pm

Shiut up. You don't even know the meaning of those words in this context. 

Either address my real claim or **** off. 

Challenge.
1. Same lies. 
2. Deflect to pics

I raised them in this context, *******.

S&P 500

Mean = ca. 8%

​​​​​​​Variance = ca 18%

I have addressed your ****.
 

R.Suave » 21 Dec 2023, 3:09 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Dec 2023, 3:09 pm

I raised them in this context, *******.

S&P 500

Mean = ca. 8%

Variance = ca 18%

I have addressed your ****.

Not relevant to my post. I couldn't care less about your claims. 

Either address mine, or **** off. 


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Vegas » 21 Dec 2023, 3:31 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Dec 2023, 3:31 pm

Not relevant to my post. I couldn't care less about your claims. 

Either address mine, or **** off. 

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It is relevant to ALL investing, ya **** peasant.

R.Suave » 21 Dec 2023, 3:32 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Dec 2023, 3:32 pm

It is relevant to ALL investing, ya **** peasant.

I can think of a billion different facts that are relevant to investing. That doesn't mean all billion are relevant to a particular claim. 


I refuse to dumb this down. I am tired of getting the crayons out for you. 



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Vegas » 21 Dec 2023, 3:34 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Dec 2023, 3:34 pm

I can think of a billion different facts that are relevant to investing. That doesn't mean all billion are relevant to a particular claim. 

I refuse to dumb this down. I am tired of getting the crayons out for you. 

Challenge. 
1. Same lies
2. Deflect to pics.

No....you can't...because you don't know anything.

You are dumb as ****.

Literally.
 

R.Suave » 21 Dec 2023, 3:36 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Dec 2023, 3:36 pm

No....you can't...because you don't know anything.

You are dumb as ****.

Literally.

You still haven't addressed my point. 

Like anyone is surprised. 

And no, I am not going to repost it. 


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