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Z09 » 30 Dec 2023, 3:04 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2023, 3:04 pm

Really?

He said march peacefully....
..And they didn't.

​​​​​​Anything else?

and when they didn't he did not do a thing to stop them.

anything else???
 

Z09 » 30 Dec 2023, 3:11 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2023, 3:11 pm

And the first thing he said was March peacefully..

Guess that argument you made isn't accurate

and he laughed while they were not being peaceful.

Z09 » 30 Dec 2023, 3:11 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2023, 3:11 pm

And the first thing he said was March peacefully..

Guess that argument you made isn't accurate

your hero.

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https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-w ... deo-2022-7

Former White House officials such as Kayleigh McEnany and Pat Cipollone said Trump was holed up in the dining room next to the Oval Office as the attack unfolded. According to Cipollone, who served as White House counsel, images of the violence unfolding were on the screen as Trump watched.Other officials said Trump did not move to the Oval Office or the Situation room to coordinate a response.On the one year anniversary of the attack, former White House Press Secretary Stephanie Grisham told CNN that Trump "gleefully" watched his supporters storm the Capitol."All I know about that day was that he was in the dining room, gleefully watching on his TV as he often did, 'look at all of the people fighting for me,' hitting rewind, watching it again — that's what I know," Grisham told CNN's "New Day."
 

jerrab » 30 Dec 2023, 3:12 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2023, 3:12 pm

and he laughed while they were not being peaceful.

Yep, I couldn't help it either.

Z09 » 30 Dec 2023, 3:22 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2023, 3:22 pm

Tell us...
​​​​​​How would he have stopped them?

Just curious

good god you love to play dumb. they would have stopped if he told them to. he was their orange god just like he is your orange god.  

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https://www.dw.com/en/jan-6-probe-says- ... a-62560089

The congressional committee investigating the January 6 riots on Thursday presented more evidence accusing former US President Donald Trump of deliberately choosing not to act as his supporters ransacked the US Capitol and threatened lawmakers with violence. In what is likely the final hearing until September, the committee documented the time frame from when Trump sent his supporters to the Capitol after a "stop the steal" rally, to when the president appeared in a video in front of the White House telling the mob to disperse, while praising them as "very special," some 187 minutes later. 

------------------------------ and they stopped immediately.
 

Z09 » 30 Dec 2023, 3:21 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2023, 3:21 pm

So what...?
He watched on TV these people outside the Capitol...

And he felt good that they marched on his behalf 
He never approved of them going inside and destroying and threatening..

CNN huh?
​​​​​​ Russian Collusion
pee tapes.

And they found someone that felt good about these people marching outside the Capitol?

Big deal .

Any thing else?

he thought they were special.

------------------------------------------------------------ In  when the president appeared in a video in front of the White House telling the mob to disperse, while praising them as "very special," some 187 minutes later. 

Z09 » 30 Dec 2023, 3:31 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2023, 3:31 pm

But he told them to march peacefully...

And they didnt

take a job baby sitting and when the mother comes home and sees the curtains torn down and the carpets ruined with ketchup and tell the mother it is not your fault, you told them to behave.

Z09 » 30 Dec 2023, 3:45 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2023, 3:45 pm

And that's the best example you have?

He wasn't there
He told them to march peacefully
And the Secret Service refused to bring him there..

Where's the insurrection charges?

they sure stopped when he finally told them to.

and he was watching it all on tv for 3 hours.

jerrab » 30 Dec 2023, 2:13 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2023, 2:13 pm

amendment 14 also includes rebellion which includes rioting over government functions.

but it was an insurrection none the less.

 

Z09 » 30 Dec 2023, 2:33 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2023, 2:33 pm

He told them to march peacefully..
And he did not go to the Capitol..

Hard to prove insurrection

or even rebellion for that matter....
 
especially after telling them to go home peacefully....

jerrab » 30 Dec 2023, 3:11 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2023, 3:11 pm

and when they didn't he did not do a thing to stop them.

anything else???

Is this your way of doing an end run reach around?
 

jerrab » 30 Dec 2023, 3:32 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2023, 3:32 pm

he thought they were special.

------------------------------------------------------------ In  when the president appeared in a video in front of the White House telling the mob to disperse, while praising them as "very special," some 187 minutes later.

We think you're special too...


 
 

Z09 » 30 Dec 2023, 4:07 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2023, 4:07 pm

How about looking at it this way ...

Those dopes that raided the Capitol made terrible choices.
They're adults and they're responsible for their actions.

Because they were Trump supporters it was an opportunity to blame Trump.

But he told them to march peacefully.

But it's still Trump's fault when they didn't?

That's the problem with your stance on this.

that whole peaceful **** was proven to be just crap. the minute they  were not peaceful trump should have stopped them but he really  did not want them to be peaceful  and they knew it.

jerrab » 30 Dec 2023, 3:47 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2023, 3:47 pm

they sure stopped when he finally told them to.

and he was watching it all on tv for 3 hours.

You must think  Trump called each and every rioter individually on their cell phones to get them to stop...?              
 

Z09 » 30 Dec 2023, 4:30 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2023, 4:30 pm

A politician gives a speech about the Palestinians and finishes the rally by saying "march peacefully"..

The protesters go down the street and burn down Jewish
owned business and other vandalism.....

Can you blame the politician that said "protest peacefully"?

That's the question that the Trump haters ignore

what you ignore is the fact that trump  enjoyed the whole thing and was pleased at what they  did and  thanked them aftewards and said they were special for everything they did.

Z09 » 30 Dec 2023, 4:59 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2023, 4:59 pm

What YOU ignore is he told them to march peacefully...
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And that's why after a few years he hasn't been found guilty of any insurrection.

You just hate Trump 
Nothing to do with common sense

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no you ignore that trump could have stopped it from the first second and even ivanka asked him to.  he refused to stop it because he wanted them to beat cops.

Z09 » 30 Dec 2023, 4:59 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2023, 4:59 pm

What YOU ignore is he told them to march peacefully...
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And that's why after a few years he hasn't been found guilty of any insurrection.

You just hate Trump 
Nothing to do with common sense

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https://people.com/politics/liz-cheney- ... -to-riots/

Republican Rep. Liz Cheney says the committee investigating the Jan. 6 Capitol riots has "firsthand testimony" that Donald Trump's daughter, Ivanka, was among those who attempted to persuade the then-president to condemn the deadly Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol.Speaking to ABC News' This Week on Sunday, 55-year-old Cheney said the commission has testimony that Trump, 75, was "sitting in the dining room next to the Oval Office, watching the attack. The briefing room at the White House is a mere few steps from the Oval Office.""We know as [Trump] was sitting there in the dining room, next to the Oval Office, members of his staff were pleading with him to go on television to tell people to stop," Cheney, vice chair of the committee, added. "We know [Republican] Leader [Kevin] McCarthy was pleading with him to do that. We know his daughter — we have firsthand testimony — that his daughter Ivanka went in at least twice to ask him to please stop this violence."
 

Z09 » 30 Dec 2023, 5:08 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2023, 5:08 pm

"It was proven"?

He told them to march peacefully

https://www.businessinsider.com/january ... ney-2022-1
he committee has firsthand testimony now that he was sitting in the dining room next to the Oval Office watching the attack on television as the assault on the Capitol occurred," Cheney told ABC News' George Stephanopoulos. She added that Trump "could have easily" walked the few steps to the White House briefing room to tell the rioters to stand down and go home. His failure to do so, Cheney said, represented "a dereliction of duty." "We know, as he was sitting there in the dining room next to the Oval Office, members of his staff were pleading with him to go on television to tell people to stop," Cheney said. "We know Leader McCarthy was pleading with him to do that. We know members of his family, we know his daughter — we have firsthand testimony that his daughter Ivanka went in at least twice to ask him to please stop this violence." Washington Post reporters Carol Leonnig and Philip Rucker wrote in their book "I Alone Can Fix It" that Ivanka, a senior advisor in the White House, spent "several hours walking back and forth" from her office to the Oval Office trying to get her father to intervene. Mark Meadows, the former White House chief of staff who is resisting the committee's subpoena to testify, told Ivanka, "I need you to come back down here," the book said.He said, "We've got to get this under control," the authors wrote.
 

Z09 » 30 Dec 2023, 5:07 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2023, 5:07 pm

And you know this how?

Trump wanted them to beat cops?

Christ..
Now you're just sounding like a kid
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he committee has firsthand testimony now that he was sitting in the dining room next to the Oval Office watching the attack on television as the assault on the Capitol occurred," Cheney told ABC News' George Stephanopoulos. She added that Trump "could have easily" walked the few steps to the White House briefing room to tell the rioters to stand down and go home. His failure to do so, Cheney said, represented "a dereliction of duty." "We know, as he was sitting there in the dining room next to the Oval Office, members of his staff were pleading with him to go on television to tell people to stop," Cheney said. "We know Leader McCarthy was pleading with him to do that. We know members of his family, we know his daughter — we have firsthand testimony that his daughter Ivanka went in at least twice to ask him to please stop this violence." Washington Post reporters Carol Leonnig and Philip Rucker wrote in their book "I Alone Can Fix It" that Ivanka, a senior advisor in the White House, spent "several hours walking back and forth" from her office to the Oval Office trying to get her father to intervene. Mark Meadows, the former White House chief of staff who is resisting the committee's subpoena to testify, told Ivanka, "I need you to come back down here," the book said.He said, "We've got to get this under control," the authors wrote.

Here is a poll from the newspaper in the state capitol:

https://www.centralmaine.com/2023/12/29 ... ry-ballot/

dead even. 50/50, which bodes poorly for the clown. fully half the respondents don't even want him to be ON the ballot, and there are plenty of people, like @sooted up Cyndi  pointed out, who are democrats and will NOT vote FOR him, but still think removing him from the ballot is a bad decision.  Angus King and Jared Golden are against his removal but they are solid Biden voters.