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Vegas » 08 Jan 2024, 1:17 pm » wrote: ↑

08 Jan 2024, 1:17 pm

That is not the issue at hand. The accusation is that Trump lead an insurrection. He clearly wanted peace.

there is nothing those insurrectionists did that was not what trump wanted.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/01/politics ... index.html


p. Julia Nikhinson/AP WashingtonCNN — Former President Donald Trump said Thursday he will “very, very seriously” consider full pardons for the rioters who breached the US Capitol on January 6, 2021, if he runs for reelection and wins.“I will tell you, I will look very, very favorably about full pardons. If I decide to run and if I win, I will be looking very, very strongly about pardons. Full pardons,” Trump said on Wendy Bell Radio Thursday, adding: “We’ll be looking very, very seriously at full pardons because we can’t let that happen. … And I mean full pardons with an apology to many.”
 

jerrab » 08 Jan 2024, 5:21 pm » wrote: ↑

08 Jan 2024, 5:21 pm

there is nothing those insurrectionists did that was not what trump wanted.


 

I refuse to read anything from CNN. Sorry. 

jerrab » 08 Jan 2024, 4:46 pm » wrote: ↑

08 Jan 2024, 4:46 pm

those insurrectionists did exactly what trump wanted and that is why he wants to pardon all of them.

Opinion. 
His tweets say otherwise. 

Vegas » 09 Jan 2024, 9:29 am » wrote: ↑

09 Jan 2024, 9:29 am

Opinion. 
His tweets say otherwise.

You should know by now that their mode of operation is to IGNORE anything that exonerates Trump and only find things they think can convict him.

And their propaganda outlet, CNNaganda, is their main source for more of the propaganda they are using to convince themselves.

Vegas » 09 Jan 2024, 9:28 am » wrote: ↑

09 Jan 2024, 9:28 am

I refuse to read anything from CNN. Sorry.

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https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/363 ... n-promise/

Former President Trump’s promise to grant pardons to the rioters who stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, is running into strong opposition from Senate Republicans. Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), one of Trump’s closest allies, told The Hill that granting pardons to Jan. 6 protesters is “a bad idea.”  “Pardons are given to people who admit misconduct, rehabilitate themselves. They’re not supposed to be used for other purposes,” he said. Other Republican senators are joining Graham in criticizing Trump’s promise to pardon the Jan. 6 protesters as inappropriate.  “I don’t think potential candidates should hold pardons out as a promise,” said Sen. Kevin Cramer (R-N.D.), who is usually a reliable Trump ally. “It’s somewhat problematic for me on a moral level and an ethical level — sort of like promising other giveaways to particular individuals. “I prefer avoiding those kinds of things,” he said.  Sen. Mike Rounds (R-S.D.) said he wouldn’t support granting pardons to people convicted of crimes because of their actions on Jan. 6.  “If he were elected, he would have a constitutional ability to do it,” he said of Trump’s promise of pardons. “I would disagree with it. I think there was insurrection and I think these folks need to be punished. “I was there. This was truly violent. People were injured, people were killed. I have very little mercy for the individuals that were involved in that activity that day,” Rounds added.  
 

jerrab » 09 Jan 2024, 7:14 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jan 2024, 7:14 pm

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https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/363 ... n-promise/

Former President Trump’s promise to grant pardons to the rioters who stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, is running into strong opposition from Senate Republicans. Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), one of Trump’s closest allies, told The Hill that granting pardons to Jan. 6 protesters is “a bad idea.”  “Pardons are given to people who admit misconduct, rehabilitate themselves. They’re not supposed to be used for other purposes,” he said. Other Republican senators are joining Graham in criticizing Trump’s promise to pardon the Jan. 6 protesters as inappropriate.  “I don’t think potential candidates should hold pardons out as a promise,” said Sen. Kevin Cramer (R-N.D.), who is usually a reliable Trump ally. “It’s somewhat problematic for me on a moral level and an ethical level — sort of like promising other giveaways to particular individuals. “I prefer avoiding those kinds of things,” he said.  Sen. Mike Rounds (R-S.D.) said he wouldn’t support granting pardons to people convicted of crimes because of their actions on Jan. 6.  “If he were elected, he would have a constitutional ability to do it,” he said of Trump’s promise of pardons. “I would disagree with it. I think there was insurrection and I think these folks need to be punished. “I was there. This was truly violent. People were injured, people were killed. I have very little mercy for the individuals that were involved in that activity that day,” Rounds added.

Trump wanting to grant pardons is definitely a bad idea. However, it still doesn't connect him as a leader of the insurrection. Why he would want to do this? Only Trump knows. Perhaps he wanted to show concern for the people who were loyal to him, I don't know. 

Vegas » 09 Jan 2024, 10:23 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jan 2024, 10:23 pm

Trump wanting to grant pardons is definitely a bad idea. However, it still doesn't connect him as a leader of the insurrection. Why he would want to do this? Only Trump knows. Perhaps he wanted to show concern for the people who were loyal to him, I don't know.

he wants to thank him for doing what he wanted/ordered  them to do.
 

Vegas » 09 Jan 2024, 10:23 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jan 2024, 10:23 pm

Trump wanting to grant pardons is definitely a bad idea. However, it still doesn't connect him as a leader of the insurrection. Why he would want to do this? Only Trump knows. Perhaps he wanted to show concern for the people who were loyal to him, I don't know.

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-says-he-will-pardon-jan-6-if-he-wins-in-2024

Former President Donald Trump on Saturday night held a Save America rally in Texas, where he took shots at several Democrats and teased a 2024 presidential candidacy by saying he will give "pardons" to his supporters who stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6 last year if he runs and wins in 2024.Trump made the comments in front of thousands of supporters, including Texas Gov. Greg Abbott and Texas attorney general Ken Paxton, at the Montgomery County Fairgrounds in Conroe, Texas.
 

jerrab » 09 Jan 2024, 11:36 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jan 2024, 11:36 pm

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-says-he-will-pardon-jan-6-if-he-wins-in-2024

Former President Donald Trump on Saturday night held a Save America rally in Texas, where he took shots at several Democrats and teased a 2024 presidential candidacy by saying he will give "pardons" to his supporters who stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6 last year if he runs and wins in 2024.Trump made the comments in front of thousands of supporters, including Texas Gov. Greg Abbott and Texas attorney general Ken Paxton, at the Montgomery County Fairgrounds in Conroe, Texas.

So??

Can you show us in the Constitution where limits are placed on WHO the President can pardon or for which crimes he can't pardon on the Federal level???

GO!!!

 

Beekeeper » 10 Jan 2024, 7:03 am » wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2024, 7:03 am

So??

Can you show us in the Constitution where limits are placed on WHO the President can pardon or for which crimes he can't pardon on the Federal level???

GO!!!

Republicans are the ones bringing these suits against Trump being on the ballot. 

You know those constitionalists. 
 

Bidencrimefamily » 10 Jan 2024, 7:08 am » wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2024, 7:08 am

Republicans are the ones bringing these suits against Trump being on the ballot. 

You know those constitionalists.

That is a GODDAMN LIE, ****!!!

Those that want Trump kept off the ballot all have one thing in common...THEY ARE SOROS FUNDED AND BACKED!!!

Those Behind the Efforts to Disqualify Trump Have Something in Common (townhall.com)

 

Bidencrimefamily » 10 Jan 2024, 7:08 am » wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2024, 7:08 am

Republicans are the ones bringing these suits against Trump being on the ballot. 

You know those constitionalists.

RUN CUMGUZZLER, RUN!!!

Your reply has ZILCH to do with the PARDON CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION. 

****** bois like you are so cheap and easy. 

Bidencrimefamily » 10 Jan 2024, 7:08 am » wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2024, 7:08 am

Republicans are the ones bringing these suits against Trump being on the ballot. 

You know those constitionalists.

poor shilly willy, trying so hard

jerrab » 09 Jan 2024, 11:34 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jan 2024, 11:34 pm

he wants to thank him for doing what he wanted/ordered  them to do.

Again, he didn't order anything. His tweets made that clear. You keep posting hearsay articles. I keep referring to what Trump did and said. I couldn't care less about what other articles say. I only care about what was clear about what he said and did. Insurrection leaders don't tweet for peace and defend law enforcement against rioters. 

Your articles are meaningless. 

Vegas » 10 Jan 2024, 9:36 am » wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2024, 9:36 am

Again, he didn't order anything. His tweets made that clear. You keep posting hearsay articles. I keep referring to what Trump did and said. I couldn't care less about what other articles say. I only care about what was clear about what he said and did. Insurrection leaders don't tweet for peace and defend law enforcement against rioters. 

Your articles are meaningless.

Well the constitution says what it says. You can't ignore the constitution. And Republicans were the ones that brought that suit to remove Trump. So no libs were involved dumb ***. 
 

Bidencrimefamily » 10 Jan 2024, 9:42 am » wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2024, 9:42 am

Well the constitution says what it says. You can't ignore the constitution. And Republicans were the ones that brought that suit to remove Trump. So no libs were involved dumb ***.

The constitution enforces and upholds the idea of falsely accusing someone? I didn't know that. Please post where it says that. 

Moron. 

And I couldn't care less what the **** Repubs did. Not my problem. 

Vegas » 10 Jan 2024, 9:45 am » wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2024, 9:45 am

The constitution enforces and upholds the idea of falsely accusing someone? I didn't know that. Please post where it says that. 

Moron. 

And I couldn't care less what the **** Repubs did. Not my problem.

Well I thought that I would educate your dumb *** that it was 4 Republicans that brought the suit to Colorado. But you'll just ignore it 

Bidencrimefamily » 10 Jan 2024, 9:46 am » wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2024, 9:46 am

Well I thought that I would educate your dumb *** that it was 4 Republicans that brought the suit to Colorado. But you'll just ignore it

yet you can't prove it you **** liar

Bidencrimefamily » 10 Jan 2024, 9:46 am » wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2024, 9:46 am

Well I thought that I would educate your dumb *** that it was 4 Republicans that brought the suit to Colorado. But you'll just ignore it

That wasn't the conversation that Jerra and I were having you dumb illiterate mother ****. 

You are just like Rsuave. You don't read before you shoot your mouth off, then end up making an *** out of yourself for it. 

Sissy. 

Vegas » 10 Jan 2024, 9:48 am » wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2024, 9:48 am

That wasn't the conversation that Jerra and I were having you dumb illiterate mother ****. 

You are just like Rsuave. You don't read before you shoot your mouth off, then end up making an *** out of yourself for it. 

Sissy.

Shut the **** up dumb ***. You're the dumbest **** here. It was Republicans that brought the case up in Colorado and Maine. Liberals declined to remove him from the ballot in other states. You're just going to lie anyways. You're MAGA.