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Beekeeper » 15 Jan 2024, 9:10 am » wrote: ↑

15 Jan 2024, 9:10 am

Hertz is selling off it's MASSIVE "EV FLEET" that no one wants to rent or OWN!!

Hertz official SEC statement;

I might snatch one up, if they're giving them away. I could use a cheap-*** about-towner than doesn't cost me on gas and can recharge overnight at home.

I drove a tesla and was quite impressed. Its owner swore to me the thing treacle-charges overnight and costs like NOTHING to run.
 

Cannonpointer » 16 Jan 2024, 7:21 am » wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2024, 7:21 am

I might snatch one up, if they're giving them away. I could use a cheap-*** about-towner than doesn't cost me on gas and can recharge overnight at home.

I drove a tesla and was quite impressed. Its owner swore to me the thing treacle-charges overnight and costs like NOTHING to run.

Go for it!!!

And after you spend from $1500-5000 for an EV Charger, your home insurance rates triple, and your power bill doubles, you can then tell us how much money you saved on gas!!! And not to forget that many states now charge you nearly triple the registration taxes to get a tag, you can add that to your "savings"!!!

Beekeeper » 16 Jan 2024, 7:31 am » wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2024, 7:31 am

Go for it!!!

And after you spend from $1500-5000 for an EV Charger, your home insurance rates triple, and your power bill doubles, you can then tell us how much money you saved on gas!!! And not to forget that many states now charge you nearly triple the registration taxes to get a tag, you can add that to your "savings"!!!

Yeah, I already pay a registration premium because I drive a prius. I'm sure it will be a good bit more in an EV. And fair is fair - I need those roads. They're paid for by gas taxes. I don't have any qualms about the surcharge on my prius, and I won't have any about a surcharge for an EV - IF I get one. 

You claim I will have to pay some yuge amount for insurance and a charging unit at home. The guy who let me drive his EV - well, his EV kind of drove ME, in reality - never mentioned those. 

Are you talking ****? Or do you know something about this stuff? I would never take one, no matter how cheap, if what you are saying is true, and not just some **** narrative. I don't mind the reg fees - but this bit about 1500 for a home charge station and the insurance tripling and the electric doubling - where are you getting this information? The guy whose Tesla I drove lived in Springfield MO. He never mentioned a single word about any of this - and he owns his home. 

He told me he didn't even FEEL the electric side of it. Said it was cheap as hell to charge the thing on a treacle overnight. Said that's when electric is cheapest - that ya gotta do it overnight, not during the day, and it hardly touches you. Said it cost him ten cents a mile. 

Beekeeper » 16 Jan 2024, 7:31 am » wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2024, 7:31 am

Go for it!!!

And after you spend from $1500-5000 for an EV Charger, your home insurance rates triple, and your power bill doubles, you can then tell us how much money you saved on gas!!! And not to forget that many states now charge you nearly triple the registration taxes to get a tag, you can add that to your "savings"!!!

I don't know for sure this one would do the trick - I dunno what hertz is selling off. But this home charger from Tesla is under 300 bucks at best buy: https://pisces.bbystatic.com/image2/Bes ... xWidth=550


 

Cannonpointer » 16 Jan 2024, 7:51 am » wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2024, 7:51 am

Yeah, I already pay a registration premium because I drive a prius. I'm sure it will be a good bit more in an EV. And fair is fair - I need those roads. They're paid for by gas taxes. I don't have any qualms about the surcharge on my prius, and I won't have any about a surcharge for an EV - IF I get one. 

You claim I will have to pay some yuge amount for insurance and a charging unit at home. The guy who let me drive his EV - well, his EV kind of drove ME, in reality - never mentioned those. 

Are you talking ****? Or do you know something about this stuff? I would never take one, no matter how cheap, if what you are saying is true, and not just some **** narrative. I don't mind the reg fees - but this bit about 1500 for a home charge station and the insurance tripling and the electric doubling - where are you getting this information? The guy whose Tesla I drove lived in Springfield MO. He never mentioned a single word about any of this - and he owns his home.

Of course he won't mention the costs because that completely destroys his belief that he somehow saved money. My neighbor 2 houses down was "investigating" the possibility of buying one. and did his research before he bought one. What I am telling you is from his own mouth. The charging wall was priced to him anywhere from $1500 to $5000 to install it. You need a separate line to the charging station and it's a 220V line. That alone is going to double your electric bill since it draws a huge amount of amperage. And depending on how fast you want to charge, determines a lot of the price. The faster the charger, the more it costs. And the more energy it takes to get it working.

He ALSO called his insurance company and since his home and auto were with the same company, they gave him a car insurance quote that blew his mind AND they also said his Homeowners coverage would be doubled as well. EV charging is a major fire hazard, even outdoors. The fires in homes with EV's is nearly double the national average as is the fires "on the road" risks from discharging battery fires.

So GO FOR IT!!! Your money, not mine!!

Cannonpointer » 16 Jan 2024, 7:58 am » wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2024, 7:58 am

I don't know for sure this one would do the trick - I dunno what hertz is selling off. But this home charger from Tesla is under 300 bucks at best buy: https://pisces.bbystatic.com/image2/Bes ... xWidth=550

So who is going to install it, run your 220 line, and also pull permits, etc. to install it??? ALL of that is part of the price to put it in. You don't just hang it on the wall and plug it in. Add to that, the rate of charge on that one is nearly 8-10 hours or longer depending on the temperature.
 

Beekeeper » 16 Jan 2024, 8:01 am » wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2024, 8:01 am

So who is going to install it, run your 220 line, and also pull permits, etc. to install it??? ALL of that is part of the price to put it in. You don't just hang it on the wall and plug it in. Add to that, the rate of charge on that one is nearly 8-10 hours or longer depending on the temperature.

I will hire an electrician, of course. Or a mathematorian - but most likely, and electrician. 
 

Beekeeper » 16 Jan 2024, 7:59 am » wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2024, 7:59 am

Of course he won't mention the costs because that completely destroys his belief that he somehow saved money.

I had the same thought - and he is not a friend. He's a friend of a friend. We drove there to visit his mom, actually. SHE is the friend of a friend.

Beekeeper » 16 Jan 2024, 7:59 am » wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2024, 7:59 am

My neighbor 2 houses down was "investigating" the possibility of buying one. and did his research before he bought one. What I am telling you is from his own mouth. The charging wall was priced to him anywhere from $1500 to $5000 to install it. You need a separate line to the charging station and it's a 220V line. That alone is going to double your electric bill since it draws a huge amount of amperage. And depending on how fast you want to charge, determines a lot of the price. The faster the charger, the more it costs. And the more energy it takes to get it working.

You had me at 220Volt.

Beekeeper » 16 Jan 2024, 7:59 am » wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2024, 7:59 am

He ALSO called his insurance company and since his home and auto were with the same company, they gave him a car insurance quote that blew his mind AND they also said his Homeowners coverage would be doubled as well. EV charging is a major fire hazard, even outdoors. The fires in homes with EV's is nearly double the national average as is the fires "on the road" risks from discharging battery fires.

Oh **** THAT noise.

Thanks for the heads up!

Cannonpointer » 16 Jan 2024, 8:04 am » wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2024, 8:04 am

I will hire an electrician, of course. Or a mathematorian - but most likely, and electrician.

Electricians aren't cheap. I had a helluva deal on a new table saw. The only drawback, it was a 220 V install. So I called one for an estimate.

Just to run a 220 line to my workshop 38 ft away from the house, installed with the disconnect and the outlet in my shop- $8950. And that was an overhead line. Underground was over $15,000. Not to mention you should price 10/3 wire (with ground) needed to power that 50 amp circuit.

Needless to say, that table saw is still in the showroom.

Beekeeper » 16 Jan 2024, 8:30 am » wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2024, 8:30 am

Electricians aren't cheap. I had a helluva deal on a new table saw. The only drawback, it was a 220 V install. So I called one for an estimate.

Just to run a 220 line to my workshop 38 ft away from the house, installed with the disconnect and the outlet in my shop- $8950. And that was an overhead line. Underground was over $15,000. Not to mention you should price 10/3 wire (with ground) needed to power that 50 amp circuit.

Needless to say, that table saw is still in the showroom.

The cost of the tool is less than 10% of the cost of set up. WTF...
And if you do it yourself - even if you can (and I can't), - you void your home insurance policy.

Beekeeper » 16 Jan 2024, 6:37 am » wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2024, 6:37 am

TYPICAL LWNJ response thinking that GOVERNMENT is supposed to pay for peoples STUPID ****!!

"Subsidies" don't pay the bills, renting cars does, *******!! Of which your answer only PROVES how much of a scum sucking PIECE OF **** YOU ARE!!

Quit being a moron ....
I'm no Lefty....
You asked a question as to "WHY"......
And I gave you the answer ......
This Administration is heavily subsidizing The EV industry ....with our money.
From the auto industry to the EV battery manufacturers and new battery plants ....etc....
so, most of these corporations who you think have lost money really have not lost money because our tax dollars and this Administration's corporate subsidies are their safety net .
It's now a government subsidized racket .




 

Cannonpointer » 16 Jan 2024, 8:33 am » wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2024, 8:33 am

The cost of the tool is less than 10% of the cost of set up. WTF...
And if you do it yourself - even if you can (and I can't), - you void your home insurance policy.

I can do it myself. I was at one time a certified mine electrician and did all kind of that crap back years ago. The problem isn't your HO insurance, it's the permits and inspection by the city/county once you DO install it. Unless you are licensed in the State, you don't get either and hence, no power. Still the price with my labor would be well over $400 for materials alone. Not to mention the rental of a ditch witch to put the cable underground.

Beekeeper » 16 Jan 2024, 8:45 am » wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2024, 8:45 am

I can do it myself. I was at one time a certified mine electrician and did all kind of that crap back years ago. The problem isn't your HO insurance, it's the permits and inspection by the city/county once you DO install it. Unless you are licensed in the State, you don't get either and hence, no power. Still the price with my labor would be well over $400 for materials alone. Not to mention the rental of a ditch witch to put the cable underground.

Are you **** serious? If you can do the work and pass the inspection, that's **** criminal to deny you the permits. 

Are you saying you can't even PULL the **** permits, unless you're a licensed electrician? A homeowner can't even pull his own permits?
 

Cannonpointer » 16 Jan 2024, 8:48 am » wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2024, 8:48 am

Are you **** serious? If you can do the work and pass the inspection, that's **** criminal to deny you the permits. 

Are you saying you can't even PULL the **** permits, unless you're a licensed electrician? A homeowner can't even pull his own permits?

Not in my county. They ask you on the application for the name and license number of your contractor. Same in most places now. 

Beekeeper » 16 Jan 2024, 8:53 am » wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2024, 8:53 am

Not in my county. They ask you on the application for the name and license number of your contractor. Same in most places now.

That is not free enterprise. That is capitalism. 

There is a difference. 

One is the natural intercourse between people - the other is the state getting in the middle of it. 

Free enterprise doesn't need the government gun to work. Inded, the government gun STOPS it from working. 

Capitalism DOES require the government gun to work - and cannot work without it.

When people say, "Free enterprise capitalism," It's like saying "Satanic Christianity," or, "vegetarian steak."
 

Beekeeper » 16 Jan 2024, 6:57 am » wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2024, 6:57 am

No, that's what I do with complete and total MORONS!!

She's even resorted to sending me PM's with threats!!

she who?

RedheadedStranger » 15 Jan 2024, 4:33 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Jan 2024, 4:33 pm

The only time it makes sense for someone to rent an EV is if they aren't planning on driving it any farther than the initial charge and/or are positive they have a way to recharge the battery wherever they are staying or going.

If I were only in town for the day and had to drive myself to a couple of meetings and then back to the airport after for the flight home, it would make sense to use an EV... so long as they didn't charge me an arm and a leg to charge it back up after I dropped it off... which they probably would.

Lack of reliable infrastructure is the EV market's biggest hurdle. 

Of course the idiots pushing this **** put the cart before the horse, like they typically do.

 Chicago-area Tesla charging stations lined with dead cars in freezing cold: 'A bunch of dead robots out here'Chicago and much of the Midwest were plunged into a deep freeze



Someone pushes a Tesla at a Chicago-area vehicle charging station where many of the electric vehicles have been forced to sit amid freezing temperatures. Many of the vehicles failed to charge at stations around Chicago amid the cold weather.  (WFLD / Fox News)

https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/ ... s-out-here
 

Huey » 16 Jan 2024, 12:05 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2024, 12:05 pm

 Chicago-area Tesla charging stations lined with dead cars in freezing cold: 'A bunch of dead robots out here'Chicago and much of the Midwest were plunged into a deep freeze



Someone pushes a Tesla at a Chicago-area vehicle charging station where many of the electric vehicles have been forced to sit amid freezing temperatures. Many of the vehicles failed to charge at stations around Chicago amid the cold weather.  (WFLD / Fox News)

https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/ ... s-out-here

ha ha. GOOD!
 
 
 

EV's are for *** and liberals. Look for the rainbow stickers on them.

BuckNaked » 16 Jan 2024, 11:35 am » wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2024, 11:35 am

she who?

POM piece of ****