Liberal Forum
Archive
‹
Political Chat Rooms
‹
No Holds Barred Political Forum
‹
A Military Coup against Trump if he is reelected?
A Military Coup against Trump if he is reelected?
By Buffalo
15 Jan 2024 5:52 pm in No Holds Barred Political Forum
18 Jan 2024 11:06 pm
Cannonpointer » 19 Jan 2024, 12:03 am » wrote: ↑ The Turks didn't give him two weeks notice. They just told him they were coming through.
trump agreed
18 Jan 2024 11:08 pm
I don't know what that even means to you.
He agreed WHAT? To get out of Erdogan's way?
Are you suggesting that he should have fought a NATO ally, for a stateless band of armed terrorists?
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
18 Jan 2024 11:10 pm
I think the whole idea of abortion being verboten is that thou shall not murder — in this case by killing that which is in the womb and is Gods intention to have life outside the womb once born. In other words it’s tied to Christian theology.Cannonpointer » 19 Jan 2024, 12:05 am » wrote: ↑ Of course they did. Greek physicians had a system to cause miscarriage. Just because they didn't perform a surgery doesn't mean they were unacquainted with abortion - they were not. Abortion was well known in Jesus' time.
Telephones ARE okay, as far as scriptures go, since they are not prohibited.
Neither is abortion.
18 Jan 2024 11:13 pm
And I think that your reasoning is perfectly sound - for you. I take no issue with it.Tempest62 » 19 Jan 2024, 12:10 am » wrote: ↑ I think the whole idea of abortion being verboten is that this shall not murder by killing that which is in the womb and is Gods intention to have life outside the womb once born. In other words it’s tied to Christian theology.
But when you start applying doctrine to others than yourself, I think that "I think" is a bad way to start.
In fact, I think you should have some extremely explicit Scripture backing your play, when you start speaking AS a Christian FOR Christians.
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
18 Jan 2024 11:13 pm
Tour de force.Cannonpointer » 19 Jan 2024, 12:08 am » wrote: ↑ I don't know what that even means to you.
He agreed WHAT? To get out of Erdogan's way?
Are you suggesting that he should have fought a NATO ally, for a stateless band of armed terrorists?
18 Jan 2024 11:15 pm
They make inferences just like I did to make their point. I guess it’s rooted in a faith thereof.Cannonpointer » 19 Jan 2024, 12:13 am » wrote: ↑ And I think that your reasoning is perfectly sound - for you. I take no issue with it.
But when you start applying doctrine to others than yourself, I think that "I think" is a bad way to start.
In fact, I think you should have some extremely explicit Scripture backing your play, when you start speaking AS a Christian FOR Christians.
18 Jan 2024 11:17 pm
Inferences are absolutely vital to one's journey of faith.Tempest62 » 19 Jan 2024, 12:15 am » wrote: ↑ They make inferences just like I did to make their point. I guess it’s rooted in a faith thereof.
When it comes to speaking for the Christian faith as a whole, you can say stuff like, Jesus is the Messiah, No one goes to Heaven but by Him, He is the begotten son of God...
But when you start making claims about a woman doing that which women did in Jesus' time, you OUGHT to be able - as you can with those other things I mentioned - to point to scripture when questioned in the matter.
Not to an inference. To a scripture.
Inferences are the things one says to one's self, FOR one's self. Doctrines are another matter. They must be more defensible than ones inferences.
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
18 Jan 2024 11:23 pm
Cannonpointer » 19 Jan 2024, 12:08 am » wrote: ↑ I don't know what that even means to you.
He agreed WHAT? To get out of Erdogan's way?
Are you suggesting that he should have fought a NATO ally, for a stateless band of armed terrorists?
the kurds were not terrorists.
as long as the soldiers were there turkey would not go there.
18 Jan 2024 11:27 pm
No argument here.Cannonpointer » 19 Jan 2024, 12:17 am » wrote: ↑ Inferences are absolutely vital to one's journey of faith.
When it comes to speaking for the Christian faith as a whole, you can say stuff like, Jesus is the Messiah, No one goes to Heaven but by Him, He is the begotten son of God...
But when you start making claims about a woman doing that which women did in Jesus' time, you OUGHT to be able - as you can with those other things I mentioned - to point to scripture when questioned in the matter.
Not to an inference. To a scripture.
Inferences are the things one says to one's self, FOR one's self. Doctrines are another matter. They must be more defensible than ones inferences.
18 Jan 2024 11:31 pm
According to WHOM?
The Turkish government had branded the PKK terrorists for years.
The DC mafia knew this when they armed that particular group of Kurds - and armed them anyway. Their future was written in the sands.
According to WHOM?jerrab » 19 Jan 2024, 12:23 am » wrote: ↑ as long as the soldiers were there turkey would not go there.
But let us say that you are correct - and in all honesty, you most probably are.
In that case - your argument's BEST case, - we have the prospect of the United States keeping it's army between A NATO ALLY and a group of armed terrorist on its border. On top of THAT, we have, in the REAL world, a possibility of a NATO ally gunning OUR massively outnumbered and under-supplied troops for getting between them and their rightful target. Wouldn't that be a fun mess to sort out in Brussels.
Remember, now, that there are TWO supranational bodies with jurisdiction to look into such a retarded, keystone cop cluster **** - NATO, and the UN.
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
18 Jan 2024 11:36 pm
Cannonpointer » 19 Jan 2024, 12:31 am » wrote: ↑ According to WHOM?
The Turkish government had branded the PKK terrorists for years.
The DC mafia knew this when they armed that particular group of Kurds - and armed them anyway. Their future was written in the sands.
According to WHOM?
But let us say that you are correct - and in all honesty, you most probably are.
In that case - your argument's BEST case, - we have the prospect of the United States keeping it's army between A NATO ALLY and a group of armed terrorist on its border. On top of THAT, we have, in the REAL world, a possibility of a NATO ally gunning OUR massively outnumbered and under-supplied troops for getting between them and their rightful target. Wouldn't that be a fun mess to sort out in Brussels.
Remember, now, that there are TWO supranational bodies with jurisdiction to look into such a retarded, keystone cop cluster **** - NATO, and the UN.
they were not pkk
18 Jan 2024 11:36 pm
By the way, I have googled, and the closest thing that I can find adjudicating in the matter is Exodus 21. It does not directly address abortion, but it DOES appear to differentiate between the superior rights of the mother and the inferior rights of the fetus:
“If people are fighting and hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely, but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman’s husband demands and the court allows. But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise."
Babies do not have teeth, and how a ruckus would cause BOTH a miscarriage AND the loss of a foot or eye by the fetus - that just isn't conceivable. So I INFER (but ask no other to infer) that the injuries considered punishable are those to the mother. Not to the baby. For the loss of the baby, there is a fine - whatever the husband seeks and the court allows. For the loss of - or injury to - the MOTHER, the penalties are steeper.
Or so it appears to me.
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
18 Jan 2024 11:38 pm
Yes. They were PKK.
And, for the record, the troops trump stood down numbered fifty. They were military advisors. Their mission was not a combat mission.
The suggestion that Turkey didn't have the balls to mow them down is one that a fellow without a relative among those fifty would feel more comfortable making than one would who DID have a relative among those fifty.
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
18 Jan 2024 11:41 pm
------------------------------------Cannonpointer » 19 Jan 2024, 12:31 am » wrote: ↑ According to WHOM?
The Turkish government had branded the PKK terrorists for years.
The DC mafia knew this when they armed that particular group of Kurds - and armed them anyway. Their future was written in the sands.
According to WHOM?
But let us say that you are correct - and in all honesty, you most probably are.
In that case - your argument's BEST case, - we have the prospect of the United States keeping it's army between A NATO ALLY and a group of armed terrorist on its border. On top of THAT, we have, in the REAL world, a possibility of a NATO ally gunning OUR massively outnumbered and under-supplied troops for getting between them and their rightful target. Wouldn't that be a fun mess to sort out in Brussels.
Remember, now, that there are TWO supranational bodies with jurisdiction to look into such a retarded, keystone cop cluster **** - NATO, and the UN.
https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump ... 8be868d2e5
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump cast his decision to abandon Kurdish fighters in Syria as fulfilling a campaign promise to withdraw from “endless war” in the Middle East, even as Republican critics and others said he was sacrificing a U.S. ally and undermining American credibility.Trump declared U.S. troops would step aside for an expected Turkish attack on the Kurds, who have fought alongside Americans for years, but he then threatened to destroy the Turks’ economy if they went too far.Even Trump’s staunchest Republican congressional allies expressed outrage at the prospect of abandoning Syrian Kurds who had fought the Islamic State group with American arms and advice. It was the latest example of Trump’s approach to foreign policy that critics condemn as impulsive, that he sometimes reverses and that frequently is untethered to the advice of his national security aides.
------------------------Graham said Turkey’s NATO membership should be suspended if it attacks into northeastern Turkey, potentially annihilating Kurdish fighters who acted as a U.S. proxy army in a five-year fight to eliminate the Islamic State’s so-called caliphate. Graham, who had talked Trump out of a withdrawal from Syria last December, said letting Turkey invade would be a mistake of historic proportion and would “lead to ISIS reemergence.”
18 Jan 2024 11:45 pm
The U.S. does not have stateless allies. Neither does any country on earth.jerrab » 19 Jan 2024, 12:41 am » wrote: ↑ ------------------------------------
https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump ... 8be868d2e5
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump cast his decision to abandon Kurdish fighters in Syria as fulfilling a campaign promise to withdraw from “endless war” in the Middle East, even as Republican critics and others said he was sacrificing a U.S. ally
An ally is someone who has a treaty of alliance with your nation. We do not sign treaties with troops of stateless vagabonds. The prospect of such is just silly - and in matters of armed conflict where death is on the line, silliness has no place.
And by the way? We DID have an ally in that situation. Google, "Nation of Turkey."
Yes, getting us out of war is "impulsive" and is very likely to be "condemned" by people on the MIC's payroll.jerrab » 19 Jan 2024, 12:41 am » wrote: ↑ and undermining American credibility.Trump declared U.S. troops would step aside for an expected Turkish attack on the Kurds, who have fought alongside Americans for years, but he then threatened to destroy the Turks’ economy if they went too far.Even Trump’s staunchest Republican congressional allies expressed outrage at the prospect of abandoning Syrian Kurds who had fought the Islamic State group with American arms and advice. It was the latest example of Trump’s approach to foreign policy that critics condemn as impulsive, that he sometimes reverses and that frequently is untethered to the advice of his national security aides.
In other news, ducks swim.
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
18 Jan 2024 11:58 pm
Let's say they were not. They were - but let's say they were not.
Here is a snippet from a piece in the new york post:
https://nypost.com/2019/10/19/trump-did ... -of-syria/
Statecraft. Trump practiced it that day - Obama did not, when he ILLEGALLY sent American soldiers into a country with which we were not at war, on an errand of mischief - SPECIFICALLY, "regime change."...
I have met with Kurdish political and military leaders in the region, including the PYD, the political arm of the Kurdish YPG militia. And while they were thrilled to have US backing in the fight against ISIS, none of them had any illusions about the US coming to their aid should Turkey attack.
Did the president’s critics really believe he should have considered those 50 US soldiers as a “tripwire” that would trigger a massive US military invasion of Syria to fight against Turkey — our NATO ally?
The president has taken concrete, immediate steps to shame and to punish Erdogan for his outrageous violation of the North Atlantic charter, which calls on member states to “settle any international disputes in which they may be involved by peaceful means … and to refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force in any manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations.”
The president on Monday unleashed new sanctions against Turkish officials and government entities, imposed stiff tariffs on Turkish steel exports to the United States and called off talks on a $100 billion trade deal.
On Tuesday, the Department of Justice unveiled a criminal complaint against Turkey’s state-owned Halkbank for allowing Iran to buy billions worth of gold using frozen oil money, violating economic sanctions. The complaint makes clear that senior government officials — possibly including Erdogan himself — took enormous bribes in exchange for allowing the scheme to continue.
Those sanctions — and the threat of more sanctions — paid off and forced Erdogan to back down. The Kurds are paying a heavy price in this battle — not because of a US betrayal — but because they remain stateless and thus powerless. By targeting Erdogan financially, legally and undermining his legitimacy, President Trump has done more to help the Kurds than his critics with their crocodile tears. And for now, he is winning.
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
19 Jan 2024 12:10 am
Cannonpointer » 19 Jan 2024, 12:58 am » wrote: ↑ Let's say they were not. They were - but let's say they were not.
Here is a snippet from a piece in the new york post:
https://nypost.com/2019/10/19/trump-did ... -of-syria/
Statecraft. Trump practiced it that day - Obama did not, when he ILLEGALLY sent American soldiers into a country with which we were not at war, on an errand of mischief - SPECIFICALLY, "regime change."
the invasion lasted a week and turkey was on a killing spree. it was russia and assad who put an end to it.
19 Jan 2024 12:12 am
the gi soldiers were there to fight isis and with the kurds help isis got defeated.Cannonpointer » 19 Jan 2024, 12:58 am » wrote: ↑ Let's say they were not. They were - but let's say they were not.
Here is a snippet from a piece in the new york post:
https://nypost.com/2019/10/19/trump-did ... -of-syria/
Statecraft. Trump practiced it that day - Obama did not, when he ILLEGALLY sent American soldiers into a country with which we were not at war, on an errand of mischief - SPECIFICALLY, "regime change."
19 Jan 2024 12:14 am
Our enemies, you mean?jerrab » 19 Jan 2024, 1:10 am » wrote: ↑ the invasion lasted a week and turkey was on a killing spree. it was russia and assad who put an end to it.
Do you still consider them enemies?
The story I posted failed to credit Putin and Assad - thank you for that update.
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
19 Jan 2024 12:15 am
at that I was glad someone helped themCannonpointer » 19 Jan 2024, 1:14 am » wrote: ↑ Our enemies, you mean?
Do you still consider them enemies?
The story I posted failed to credit Putin and Assad - thank you for that update.
--------------------------------
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-a ... er-2019-10
- President Donald Trump's decision to withdraw US forces from northeast Syria has pushed formerly US-allied Kurdish forces into the arms of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and Russia.
- Trump is apparently not concerned that the Kurds, who bore the brunt of the US-led campaign against ISIS, are now looking to Moscow instead of Washington.
- Trump on Monday said anyone, including Russia and China, who wants to protect the Kurds in Syria is "good" with him.
- The president tweeted: "Anyone who wants to assist Syria in protecting the Kurds is good with me, whether it is Russia, China, or Napoleon Bonaparte. I hope they all do great, we are 7,000 miles away!"
Who is online
In total there are 3210 users online :: 14 registered, 16 bots, and 3180 guests
Registered users: Vegas, Blackvegetable, Zeets2, Buck Naked, Buffalo, ROG62, FJB, Beekeeper, jerra b, PhiloBeddo, Lisa 558, nefarious101, Huey, Fuelman
Bots: SiteLockSpider, okhttp, proximic, MicroMessenger, ADmantX, CensysInspect, NING, YandexBot, DuckDuckBot, CriteoBot, Mediapartners-Google, Applebot, facebookexternalhit, bingbot, Googlebot, curl/7