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Cannonpointer » 27 Jan 2024, 9:07 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2024, 9:07 pm

Of course they do. They present an example of gayness not being genetic duh.

Well they didn't choose to be molested either. 

@Cannonpointer  I just found this. Science is indeed making new discoveries. 

A growing amount of research suggests that sexual orientation has a genetic basis. In fact, scientists recently identified two specific genes that appear to differ between gay and straight men [1].If sexual orientation is indeed genetically determined, it would be tempting to assume that identical twins would always have the same orientation, right? If they have the exact same genes and our genes control our sexuality, this would seem like a pretty logical conclusion. As it turns out, however, it’s not accurate.Identical twins sometimes have different orientations. For example, one may be straight while the other is gay. So why is that?In cases like this, some might argue that perhaps both twins are actually gay, but one just hasn’t come out yet. In other words, maybe there isn’t a true discrepancy. This idea has been refuted scientifically, though.

https://kinseyinstitute.org/news-events ... tation.php
 

Vegas » 27 Jan 2024, 9:10 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2024, 9:10 pm

If they do not choose to be gay, but they are because of a lack options, then doesn't that prove my point?

No.

Your point was that it was either choice or genetics. Disrupting that false dichotomy rather nullifies your argument. It doesn't give it wind, except in the sense of farting on it.

Vegas » 27 Jan 2024, 9:10 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2024, 9:10 pm

Even though they are partaking in homosexuality, due to their lack of options, why does that imply that they are no longer straight? There are many cases of homosexuals who married the opposite sex, had kids, and lived as a heterosexual...but they were still gay.

There you go with ANOTHER can of worms. If they lived their entire lives as heterosexuals, calling them gay makes little sense.

The can have a secret fetish for gay sex and be heterosexual, just as much as they can have a secret fetish for beatings and not be a masochist. It's actions that determine the nature of a thing.

An aside - ya know what ya call the assumption that if someone's family is all **** up, then they're all **** up? That is called knowing a fruit by its tree.

Vegas » 27 Jan 2024, 9:15 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2024, 9:15 pm

@Cannonpointer  I just found this. Science is indeed making new discoveries. 

https://kinseyinstitute.org/news-events ... tation.php

Sigh.

"A growing amount of research suggests..."

Have I taught you NOTHING? MY GOD, man, you are a trained **** educator. Pull your head out of your *** IMMEDIATELY. 

What the **** are you THINKING, presenting that stupid ****? Have I not instructed you that science does not deal in generalities and adverbs?

When you see a **** adverb, you are not reading science. Get a GRIP. 
 

Vegas » 27 Jan 2024, 9:11 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2024, 9:11 pm

Well they didn't choose to be molested either.

What were they wearing?
 

Cannonpointer » 27 Jan 2024, 9:16 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2024, 9:16 pm

 It doesn't give it wind, except in the sense of farting on it.

 

     

There you go with ANOTHER can of worms. If they lived their entire lives as heterosexuals, calling them gay makes little sense.

The can have a secret fetish for gay sex and be heterosexual, just as much as they can have a secret fetish for beatings and not be a masochist. It's actions that determine the nature of a thing.

An aside - ya know what ya call the assumption that if someone's family is all **** up, then they're all **** up? That is called knowing a fruit by its tree.

It makes sense just fine. Some gays are too afraid to come out of the closet. The consequences far outweighed the benefits for some. Depending on their family or economic lifestyle. 

Cannonpointer » 27 Jan 2024, 9:19 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2024, 9:19 pm

What were they wearing?

The same thing Murdock is wearing in his profile pic.

Cannonpointer » 27 Jan 2024, 9:18 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2024, 9:18 pm

Sigh.

"A growing amount of research suggests..."

Have I taught you NOTHING? MY GOD, man, you are a trained **** educator. Pull your head out of your *** IMMEDIATELY. 

What the **** are you THINKING, presenting that stupid ****? Have I not instructed you that science does not deal in generalities and adverbs?

When you see a **** adverb, you are not reading science. Get a GRIP.

Translation: You have been stumped. 

 

Vegas » 27 Jan 2024, 9:20 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2024, 9:20 pm

     

It makes sense just fine. Some gays are too afraid to come out of the closet. The consequences far outweighed the benefits for some. Depending on their family or economic lifestyle.

Then they are not gay. They are heterosexual, with gay ideation. 

If they were gay, you would know them by the mark of gayness: dickery - up to and including *** dickery. 
 

Vegas » 27 Jan 2024, 9:23 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2024, 9:23 pm

Translation: You have been stumped. 

No, YOU have been chumped. 

Do you have any idea the provenance of the Kinsey Institute?
 
Here:

The origins of the Kinsey Institute lie in the scientific research of Indiana University professor and entomologist turned sexuality researcher, Alfred Kinsey. The 1947 creation of the nonprofit institute, originally named the Institute for Sex Research (ISR), was supported by both Indiana University president Herman B Wells and the Rockefeller Foundation, a major financial backer of Kinsey's research. The ISR was established to protect and preserve the confidentiality of Kinsey's data and research materials by creating a secure, permanent repository for them.[6]

Kinsey was just a walking orgy seeker with a pseudo-science bent. His "work" in the field of orgies attracted bad actors. 
 

Cannonpointer » 27 Jan 2024, 9:24 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2024, 9:24 pm

Then they are not gay. They are heterosexual, with gay ideation. 

If they were gay, you would know them by the mark of gayness: dickery - up to and including *** dickery.

They are gay. Besides, it's very possible that they were mingling at the gay bars without the spouse knowing. 

Cannonpointer » 27 Jan 2024, 9:24 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2024, 9:24 pm

No, YU have been chumped. 

Do you have any idea the provenance of the Kinsey Institute?

Ok fine. How about this: 

Twin pairs in which at least one twin is homosexual were solicited through announcements in the gay press and personal referrals from 1980 to the present. An 18-page questionnaire on the "sexuality of twins" was filled out by one or both twins. Thirty-eight pairs of monozygotic twins (34 male pairs and 4 female pairs) were found to have a concordance rate of 65.8% for homosexual orientation. Twenty-three pairs of dizygotic twins were found to have a concordance rate of 30.4% for homosexual orientation. In addition, three sets of triplets were obtained. Two sets contained a pair of monozygotic twins concordant for sexual orientation with the third triplet dizygotic and discordant for homosexual orientation. A third triplet set was monozygotic with all three concordant for homosexual orientation. These findings are interpreted as supporting the argument for a biological basis in sexual orientation.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8494487/

Cannonpointer » 27 Jan 2024, 8:25 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2024, 8:25 pm

Okay. Nor will they ever, since it does not exist.

The gene is not only nonexistent. It is not even evolving forward ancestrally in real time here now. 
 

Misalignment in chromosomes can come from the environment. Chemical reactions from the dietary consumption by lifetimes evolving here when ancestrally positioned.

Natural disasters, over population by any type of species being predator or prey nature of behavior within a species and its ancestral lineages sharing same body types with separate forms shaped when conceived each generation gap.

Evolving is everything is changing total sum left adapting as displaced. Evolution is the intellectual comparing all the parts against the whole situation here now. Alternate realities are humans interpreting life beyond its natural timing of ancestors living forward here.

Every generation gap is repeating the same mistakes over and over as a greater good virtue than being honest about living in one's own skin. Social consensus democracy is the same tyranny as corrupted as a dictatorship with one family rulers.

Realities demand ancestries to sacrifice their biological time evolving by generation gap changing population one reproduction living at a time to pretend living exceeds the biological time living.

Common on Cannonpointer, doing the same thing over and over expecting better tomorrows next rotation of the planet when lifetimes are never same people twice since inception of the species and all its ancestral lineages occupying time here now. Chromosomes compounding into ancestors never duplicated again match what I say about how history keeps repeating traditional ways of promising better tomorrows to every great great grandchild added next.

Insanity or eternal hell, the behavior is the same among ancestors evolving forward one at a time regardless race, creed color, national origin, social consensus, academic training last generation to mind the ideas of their previous 4, artistic interpretation of how evolving should happen intellectually, economics use for and against each person psychologically holding each ancestor hostage to social consensus.

It is the core of Stockholm syndrome created by mob mentality demanding everyone sacrifice biological time to honor relative time statistical facts used against each person added to the population forward now.

Psychological class warfare. Passive aggressive governance making context the arbiter of truth created by people wishing life as more than adapting to space inhabiting the moment here.

How 1% govern 99% intellectually training every brain to mind what people choose to believe in the free market of character counts and ancestral time displaced doesn't matter defending tomorrow's goals today.

Best laid plans of mice and mankind.

Vegas » 27 Jan 2024, 9:27 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2024, 9:27 pm

Ok fine. How about this: 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8494487/

The site you give is essentially a clearinghouse for peer reviewed literature - not the original publisher.

Have a look at the lead author's credentials https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=W ... id=8494487, and ask yourself two questions:

1. Does this person have an obvious agenda beyond finding truth through the scientific method, and 
2. Am I retarded enough to accept the argument that twins and triplets having opposite sexuality is evidence of a genetic component, just because a person with a BLAZING agenda was foolhardy enough to invite censure by thus torturing logic?

Here is the summary of "findings" in the abstract: "These findings are interpreted as supporting the argument for a biological basis in sexual orientation."

Interpret that **** along with your lead author and the two rubes who signed off on it to your heart's content. Black=white, up=down - and it's PEER REVIEWED. Just for the record, the "97% of scientists" **** was peer reviewed - in a **** rag of peer review. 

You need to look past the packaging, son. You are throwing pigs with lipstick at me. I can google proof of flat earth that is FAR more compelling. 
 

Vegas » 27 Jan 2024, 9:25 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2024, 9:25 pm

They are gay. Besides, it's very possible that they were mingling at the gay bars without the spouse knowing.

That is bisexual - not gay. 

Which again argues against the silly notion that a gene not yet identified - after 20 years of study - is secretly responsible for gayness. 
 

Cannonpointer » 27 Jan 2024, 9:38 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2024, 9:38 pm

The site you give is essentially a clearinghouse for peer reviewed literature - not the original publisher.

Have a look at the lead author's credentials https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=W ... id=8494487, and ask yourself two questions:

1. Does this person have an obvious agenda beyond finding truth through the scientific method, and 
2. Am I retarded enough to accept the argument that twins and triplets having opposite sexuality is evidence of a genetic component, just because a person with a BLAZING agenda was foolhardy enough to invite censure by thus torturing logic?

Here is the summary of "findings" in the abstract: "These findings are interpreted as supporting the argument for a biological basis in sexual orientation."

Interpret that **** along with your lead author and the two rubes who signed off on it to your heart's content. Black=white, up=down - and it's PEER REVIEWED. Just for the record, the "97% of scientists" **** was peer reviewed - in a **** rag of peer review. 

You need to look past the packaging, son. You are throwing pigs with lipstick at me. I can google proof of flat earth that is FAR more compelling.

Oh God. You are stopping to cherry picking. That's what the climate and covid cult do. They only take seriously the data that supports their view. All other data are just low-minded interpretations. The research is just fine. It isn't tainted with biased crap. 

Nostradamus'omh » 27 Jan 2024, 9:33 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2024, 9:33 pm

Misalignment in chromosomes can come from the environment. Chemical reactions from the dietary consumption by lifetimes evolving here when ancestrally positioned.

Natural disasters, over population by any type of species being predator or prey nature of behavior within a species and its ancestral lineages sharing same body types with separate forms shaped when conceived each generation gap.

Evolving is everything is changing total sum left adapting as displaced. Evolution is the intellectual comparing all the parts against the whole situation here now. Alternate realities are humans interpreting life beyond its natural timing of ancestors living forward here.

Every generation gap is repeating the same mistakes over and over as a greater good virtue than being honest about living in one's own skin. Social consensus democracy is the same tyranny as corrupted as a dictatorship with one family rulers.

Realities demand ancestries to sacrifice their biological time evolving by generation gap changing population one reproduction living at a time to pretend living exceeds the biological time living.

Common on Cannonpointer, doing the same thing over and over expecting better tomorrows next rotation of the planet when lifetimes are never same people twice since inception of the species and all its ancestral lineages occupying time here now. Chromosomes compounding into ancestors never duplicated again match what I say about how history keeps repeating traditional ways of promising better tomorrows to every great great grandchild added next.

Insanity or eternal hell, the behavior is the same among ancestors evolving forward one at a time regardless race, creed color, national origin, social consensus, academic training last generation to mind the ideas of their previous 4, artistic interpretation of how evolving should happen intellectually, economics use for and against each person psychologically holding each ancestor hostage to social consensus.

It is the core of Stockholm syndrome created by mob mentality demanding everyone sacrifice biological time to honor relative time statistical facts used against each person added to the population forward now.

Psychological class warfare. Passive aggressive governance making context the arbiter of truth created by people wishing life as more than adapting to space inhabiting the moment here.

How 1% govern 99% intellectually training every brain to mind what people choose to believe in the free market of character counts and ancestral time displaced doesn't matter defending tomorrow's goals today.

Best laid plans of mice and mankind.

Absolutely spot on. 

I have never argued that gayness is a choice. 

Vegas is pushing a false dichotomy that it is EITHER a choice OR genetic. The stew is far more complex than that.
 

Cannonpointer » 27 Jan 2024, 9:40 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2024, 9:40 pm

That is bisexual - not gay. 

Which again argues against the silly notion that a gene not yet identified - after 20 years of study - is secretly responsible for gayness.

I actually just gave you evidence of the gene. Hang on, I'll get again for you because I am such a nice guy. 

Just a minute.

Vegas » 27 Jan 2024, 9:41 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2024, 9:41 pm

Oh God. You are stopping to cherry picking.

Can you not see the irony in your desperately googling ANYTHING that will save your silly thesis and then accusing ME of cherry picking?

You should.

Take a breath dude. Your life doesn't depend on your OP being correct.

Vegas » 27 Jan 2024, 9:41 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2024, 9:41 pm

That's what the climate and covid cult do. They only take seriously the data that supports their view. All other data are just low-minded interpretations. The research is just fine. It isn't tainted with biased crap.

No, YOU are doing what that cult does.

You are presenting silly **** as science. The first thing you threw out there was from the **** KINSEY INSTITUTE. **** Dianetics has a better name and less scandals. And dianetics isn't backed by **** rockefeller.

The second thing you produced from your desperate hasty googles is a silly *** paper that says ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. It "interprets" three to be five.

WHERE'S THE BEEF?
 

@Cannonpointer  Here you go: One of them is on chromosome 13 and the other on chromosome 14. 

Scientists scanned the entire genome for each person and found two genes that appeared to differ based on sexual orientation: one on chromosome 13, and the other on chromosome 14. The gene finding on the 13th chromosome is particularly noteworthy because that gene is expressed in a part of the brain known as the diencephalon—a region scientists previously found to differ in size between men of different sexual orientations.The gene on the 14th chromosome is one that is mainly expressed in the thyroid. Some research has found that gay men have an elevated rate of thyroid disorders (namely, Grave’s disease, which involves an overproduction of thyroid hormones), so the fact that this gene linkage showed up is also intriguing.