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Cannonpointer » 04 Mar 2024, 4:02 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Mar 2024, 4:02 pm

Funny you should mention pogroms as evidence against a people, kid. 

That's a pretty tone-deaf level of irony when you are in here to carry israel's water.

The jews were welcomed into - and subsequently chased the **** out of - more than 100 countries. 

If two examples damn the Palis, what do a hundred-plus examples do to the jews, kid?

        Again...
try and follow the topic, which is why aren't the Arab Nations helping the Palestinians... Where Jews have been tossed out of or aren't welcome is irrelevant.. To my knowledge, the Israelis aren't seeking to be taken in as refugees.

Kobia2 » 04 Mar 2024, 4:16 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Mar 2024, 4:16 pm

         WTF are you even going on about?

      The topic is why the Arabs aren't helping the Palestinians.... No argument that history doesn't always repeat itself --- though in the case of Israel and its Arab neighbours, it appears the past 75 years or so on the battlefield that it has... 

WTF are YOU even going on about?

I'm going on about precisely the same thing. 

You ran your smug **** about how the people you toady for always win. I pointed out that there are no guarantees in war - ESPECIALLY when the other side is no longer outgunned by an order of magnitude. 
 

Kobia2 » 04 Mar 2024, 4:20 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Mar 2024, 4:20 pm

        Again...
try and follow the topic,

I am responding to you. If I am off-topic, it is only because you are off-topic.

So, you try and follow the topic.

Kobia2 » 04 Mar 2024, 4:20 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Mar 2024, 4:20 pm

which is why aren't the Arab Nations helping the Palestinians...

I've made my case. They won't take Pali refugees because that would make them complicit in Israel's manifest ethnic cleansing. Helping Israel dispossess the Palis does not interest them - nor should it.

Once I have pertinently answered the OP, I am free to deal with the side issues attendant thereto. If you don't like that, don't raise the side issues.

Kobia2 » 04 Mar 2024, 4:20 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Mar 2024, 4:20 pm

Where Jews have been tossed out of or aren't welcome is irrelevant.. To my knowledge, the Israelis aren't seeking to be taken in as refugees.

You made snide insinuations that being tossed shines badly on Palis' character. I answered in kind. You just didn't like my answer and couldn't refute it, so you're crying about it's relevance to the OP.

I have fully answered the OP, and am now answering YOU. And clearly, my point was a gut-shot, right in the center of your snide insinuation. You cannot address it other than to pretend it is off-topic. But again, if it is off-topic, then the post it responded to was off-topic.
 

FOS » 04 Mar 2024, 4:19 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Mar 2024, 4:19 pm

Well I'm sure you are an expert on such stuff...but it is quite clear that Israel is genuinely worried about iran...and weapons go both ways between Iran and Russia (Sam missles for drones).

China would get involved simply because it isn't stupid. Clearly the usa has irrational hatred for Iran, Russia, and China. If the usa starts a war against Iran and Russia, China better join to ensure the usa doesn't win.

            Never claimed to be an expert... I just posted you historical facts of the Wars Israel had been involved with their Arab neighbours, and their outcomes... 

            Israel has clearly had a long concern regarding Iran, because for many years Iran has funded & supplied proxies such as Hezbollah, Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad etc.... My own opinion is I doubt Israel will launch anything resembling a large scale assault on Iran --- while at the same time, I suspect Iran will continue to let their Proxies do the fighting for them.. 

Kobia2 » 04 Mar 2024, 4:30 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Mar 2024, 4:30 pm

            Never claimed to be an expert... I just posted you historical facts of the Wars Israel had been involved with their Arab neighbours, and their outcomes... 

            Israel has clearly had a long concern regarding Iran, because for many years Iran has funded & supplied proxies such as Hezbollah, Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad etc.... My own opinion is I doubt Israel will launch anything resembling a large scale assault on Iran --- while at the same time, I suspect Iran will continue to let their Proxies do the fighting for them.. 

so as I said....returning where we started but now knowing where we are...Israel will not allow Arab countries to accept large numbers of palestinian refugees...which could increase political instability in a delicate situation. They will instead insist the Palestinians be moved to the usa or Canada or something...who basically serve as the dumping ground for whatever **** israel wants to get rid of.
 
 

FOS » 04 Mar 2024, 4:35 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Mar 2024, 4:35 pm

so as I said....returning where we started but now knowing where we are...Israel will not allow Arab countries to accept large numbers of palestinian refugees...which could increase political stability in a delicate situation. They will instead insist the Palestinians be moved to the usa or Canada or something...who basically serve as the dumping ground for whatever **** israel wants to get rid of.

What does re-nig  mean?

I think i was instigated.  said NO! 
I'll ask.
 It means Take back... ok- beyond that what's the nig gotta do with it? anyone know?
 

Cannonpointer » 04 Mar 2024, 4:28 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Mar 2024, 4:28 pm

I am responding to you. If I am off-topic, it is only because you are off-topic.

So, you try and follow the topic.

I've made my case. They won't take Pali refugees because that would make them complicit in Israel's manifest ethnic cleansing. Helping Israel dispossess the Palis does not interest them - nor should it.

Once I have pertinently answered the OP, I am free to deal with the side issues attendant thereto. If you don't like that, don't raise the side issues.

You made snide insinuations that being tossed shines badly on Palis' character. I answered in kind. You just didn't like my answer and couldn't refute it, so you're crying about it's relevance to the OP.

I have fully answered the OP, and am now answering YOU. And clearly, my point was a gut-shot, right in the center of your snide insinuation. You cannot address it other than to pretend it is off-topic. But again, if it is off-topic, then the post it responded to was off-topic.

Where did I take the conversation of topic?.... 
My posts were in direct reference as to FOS as to why the Palestinians Arab neighbours were not helping them, which is absolutely correct... And also replied to his assertions regarding military engagements involving Israel and its neighbours over the years..  I gave 3 examples where they were taken in by such neighbours, only to cause bloodshed and political upheaval which is also a fact, which you cannot differentiate from insinuation.... Apparently you forgot when Arafat and his flock were welcomed into JOrdan, then expelled after being involved in a plot to overthrow the King's regime.. Same story in Lebanon.. 

              You of course babbled about the usual Murka, Tranny, Military failures in Syria, which had nothing to do with the topic or conversation... 

             
          You provided your opinion that they weren't taken in because it would be considered assisting Israel in Ethnic cleansing with 2.1 Million Arabs in Gaza and another 3 million in the West Bank... A complete joke of analysis ---- just as the claims of a Genocide taking place, when thus far between the deaths & births in Gaza (if the Hamas Ministry of Health's numbers are correct) have shown a net loss of 10,000 out of a population of 2.1 million.. I condemn the IFD for being so completely incompetent in their mission of Genocide.. You looked like a fool there as well.. 

          

sootedupCyndi » 04 Mar 2024, 4:48 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Mar 2024, 4:48 pm

What does re-nig  mean?

I think i was instigated.  said NO! 
I'll ask.
 It means Take back... ok- beyond that what's the nig gotta do with it? anyone know?

I'm confused about how random this pun was. Anyway it is spelled renege.

FOS » 04 Mar 2024, 4:35 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Mar 2024, 4:35 pm

so as I said....returning where we started but now knowing where we are...Israel will not allow Arab countries to accept large numbers of palestinian refugees...which could increase political stability in a delicate situation. They will instead insist the Palestinians be moved to the usa or Canada or something...who basically serve as the dumping ground for whatever **** israel wants to get rid of.

        You believe Israel is preventing Arab countries from taking in Palestinians?....... You might want to talk this over with CP, who is under the equally wrong impression that the Arab countries are making their own decision not taking them in, because it would be perceived as assisting Israel in "Ethnic Cleansing" ... It can't be both.... 

        
 

Kobia2 » 04 Mar 2024, 5:02 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Mar 2024, 5:02 pm

        You believe Israel is preventing Arab countries from taking in Palestinians?....... You might want to talk this over with CP, who is under the equally wrong impression that the Arab countries are making their own decision not taking them in, because it would be perceived as assisting Israel in "Ethnic Cleansing" ... It can't be both....  

        

I think if you consider the obvious logic of my argument you would have to agree that it would be stupid for Israel to allow such a refugee situation. No, they want the Palestinians to be relocated into the west. And they have stated clearly that this is what they want. You can take their word for it...not mine.

Kobia2 » 04 Mar 2024, 4:50 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Mar 2024, 4:50 pm

Where did I take the conversation of topic?.... 

The same place I did.

I responded to you, and you screeched that I was off topic.

Kobia2 » 04 Mar 2024, 4:50 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Mar 2024, 4:50 pm

My posts were in direct reference as to FOS as to why the Palestinians Arab neighbours were not helping them, which is absolutely correct... And also replied to his assertions regarding military engagements involving Israel and its neighbours over the years..  I gave 3 examples where they were taken in by such neighbours, only to cause bloodshed and political upheaval which is also a fact, which you cannot differentiate from insinuation.... Apparently you forgot when Arafat and his flock were welcomed into JOrdan, then expelled after being involved in a plot to overthrow the King's regime.. Same story in Lebanon.. 

To which I pointed out that jews were kicked out of more than a HUNDRED countries. That's when the crying about being off topic started.

I have not been off topic once in this thread. I answered the issue you raised, which was related to the OP. 

Kobia2 » 04 Mar 2024, 4:50 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Mar 2024, 4:50 pm

              You of course babbled about the usual Murka, Tranny, Military failures in Syria, which had nothing to do with the topic or conversation... 

Which is DIRECTLY related to your preening about the past. As I pointed out, conditions on the ground have changed since 1967, child.

Kobia2 » 04 Mar 2024, 4:50 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Mar 2024, 4:50 pm

          You provided your opinion that they weren't taken in because it would be considered assisting Israel in Ethnic cleansing with 2.1 Million Arabs in Gaza and another 3 million in the West Bank... A complete joke of analysis ----

Careful. You're admitting I was on topic.

Kobia2 » 04 Mar 2024, 4:50 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Mar 2024, 4:50 pm

just as the claims of a Genocide taking place, when thus far between the deaths & births in Gaza (if the Hamas Ministry of Health's numbers are correct) have shown a net loss of 10,000 out of a population of 2.1 million.. I condemn the IFD for being so completely incompetent in their mission of Genocide.. You looked like a fool there as well.. 

          

You are the only one spouting off about genocide. Desperate for a straw man

I said ethnic cleansing. You can spend a few minutes with google to learn the difference.

You took the liberty of name-calling (I won't say critiquing) my analysis. Yours belongs in a comic book. Good guys and bad guys, all drawn in black and white by an adolescent with a crush.
 

sootedupCyndi » 04 Mar 2024, 4:48 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Mar 2024, 4:48 pm

What does re-nig  mean?

I think i was instigated.  said NO! 
I'll ask.
 It means Take back... ok- beyond that what's the nig gotta do with it? anyone know?

Renege is a form of re-negotiate, I think.

In contractual obligations where everything is set, if one party opens up (ie. makes a new offer), it can negate the entire contract.
Have to start over or the other party can then legally refuse to deal at all.

Cannonpointer » 04 Mar 2024, 5:07 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Mar 2024, 5:07 pm

The same place I did.

I responded to you, and you screeched that I was off topic.

To which I pointed out that jews were kicked out of more than a HUNDRED countries. That's when the crying about being off topic started.

I have not been off topic once in this thread. I answered the issue you raised, which was related to the OP. 

Which is DIRECTLY related to your preening about the past. As I pointed out, conditions on the ground have changed since 1967, child.

Careful. You're admitting I was on topic.

You are the only one spouting off about genocide. Desperate for a straw man

I said ethnic cleansing. You can spend a few minutes with google to learn the difference.

You took the liberty of name-calling (I won't say critiquing) my analysis. Yours belongs in a comic book. Good guys and bad guys, all drawn in black and white by an adolescent with a crush.

     No, you weren't on topic, and as many times as you'd like to insist you were, it just ain't so...
Again, the topic is why the Arabs aren't helping, taking in the Palestinians... Not why Jews are pretty much tossed out of or hated wherever they've lived, which I agree with... If you like, go start a new Thread about it... 

    I responded accurately with facts as to what happened when the surrounding Arab countries had done so in the past.. FOS also raised the issue of the "6 Day War", which again I responded to with facts regarding the outcome.. You're claiming conditions on the ground have changed since how so, and in reference to what exactly?.... It hasn't changed regarding the Arab community being disinterested in helping the Palestinians ---- and it doesn't seem to have changed in regards to how the IDF responds to their threats & attacks... 

   Ok, that I'll own regarding the Genocide ---- it's just probably because the other 99% of the the Pro-Palestinian posters on this forum  are accusing Israel of such..... And as for Ethnic Cleansing, you're dead wrong on that account.... On the one hand you have Pro-Palestinian / Anti-Israel folks accusing Israel of removing the Arabs from those lands through Ethnic Cleansing, and others claiming the Israelis are preventing any of them from leaving.. It can't be both.... So again, the numbers do support any assertion of either a Genocide, or Ethnic Cleansing to depopulate Gaza of Arabs.. 
 

sootedupCyndi » 04 Mar 2024, 4:48 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Mar 2024, 4:48 pm

What does re-nig  mean?

I think i was instigated.  said NO! 
I'll ask.
 It means Take back... ok- beyond that what's the nig gotta do with it? anyone know?

Re-nig?

Please lets not re-elect Obama.
 

sootedupCyndi » 04 Mar 2024, 4:48 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Mar 2024, 4:48 pm

What does re-nig  mean?


 

     A Shift change at Burger King?

Kobia2 » 04 Mar 2024, 5:37 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Mar 2024, 5:37 pm

     No, you weren't on topic, and as many times as you'd like to insist you were, it just ain't so...
Again, the topic is why the Arabs aren't helping, taking in the Palestinians...

Handled - don't want to help Israel ethnically cleanse the land.

Kobia2 » 04 Mar 2024, 5:37 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Mar 2024, 5:37 pm

If you like, go start a new Thread about it...

No need. You made it a topic. I answered. Get past it.

Kobia2 » 04 Mar 2024, 5:37 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Mar 2024, 5:37 pm

You're claiming conditions on the ground have changed since how so, and in reference to what exactly?

The losers rarely fight the same after a trouncing or two. They update strategies, tactics, and weaponry. America was hegemon when Israel beat them. It no longer is. It's a multi-polar world. Ask Bashar. He knows.

Kobia2 » 04 Mar 2024, 5:37 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Mar 2024, 5:37 pm

   Ok, that I'll own regarding the Genocide ---- it's just probably because the other 99% ... It can't be both.... So again, the numbers do support any assertion of either a Genocide, or Ethnic Cleansing to depopulate Gaza of Arabs.. 

I do not answer for anyone's posts but mine. It is inarguable that Israel has ethnically cleansed most of that land, squeezing the Palis into tighter reservations every year, with settlers moving the borders continuously. They are throwing law abiding, full-citizen ethnic Palis out of their homes in east jerusalem. This isn't opinion. That Israel is ethnic cleansing is considered fact by the U.N. Every human rights group on the planet concurs. It's just not a debate. The fact that you think it is one shows how deeply in the tank you are on this issue.

I probably have more genuine sympathy for Israel than you do, because I have the personal integrity to acknowledge what they're up to. ANY man looking at a people being boxed in and relocated, generation after generation; their spaces getting smaller and smaller and being taken away in chunks by army-backed settlers; and then denying that ethnic cleansing is taking place - that man is either a cult brained idiot or he simply does not understand the meaning of the phrase ethnic cleansing. IT MEANS MOVING AN ETHNIC GROUP OFF OF THE LAND THEY POSSESS SO THAT ANOTHER ETHNIC GROUP CAN TAKE THAT LAND. That is precisely what Israel is doing, in broad daylight. And no one except koolaid drinking neocons doesn't acknowledge it.

WE did that. Here. And we used settlers, in violation of our own laws and treaties, and then the army backed up the settlers. We drove off and murdered off the injuns so that OUR progeny and not theirs could inhabit this land. We put them on tiny reservations the size of Gaza and West Bank and pretended they were "self-governing." I do not tisk, I do not wag a finger. I respect the men who did that. And I respect what the israelis are doing. They just picked the wrong **** century, and it's biting them in the ***.

You think I'm a big pali symp. I consider them ill-bred, inbred, badly bred cousin-****. I sure as **** don't want to live next door to them. I have ten times the respect for jews that I have for palis. You just don't get it. The Israelis are going to have to stop impeding a palestinian state, if it harelips the governor, son. And yes, that is what the rest of the world (except you in-the-tank neocons) knows they are doing. They are in the wrong place at the wrong time to pull off ethnic cleansing. They've been at it for far too long. They now have ONE (1) friend in the world - and that friend is led by a man in a diaper and is consumed with an internal struggle over bathrooms. They have as much chance of winning long-term from our friendship as did the south vietnamese.

I strongly suspect that your position is not political at all, but religious. 

 
 

Vegas » 22 Feb 2024, 10:15 am » wrote: ↑

22 Feb 2024, 10:15 am

.
How come they are not stepping up? At this point, the Palis will be swimming soon.

'
Dave Chappell: The Irish are the *** of Euro."
.
Old Mack: "The Plais' are the ******  of the middle east."
 

Cannonpointer » 04 Mar 2024, 6:40 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Mar 2024, 6:40 pm

 

          Your assertion is that the Arab world thinks not taking in more Palestinian Arabs is doing them some kind of favor or is for their own good for the sake of a Palestinian State?.... Not likely.... Though I wouldn't be surprised if a few of such Arab countries actually claimed such --- but we know that isn't the real reason.. The Palestinians have proven themselves to be a dangerous, ungrateful, burdensome, and eventually an unwelcome guest to all who have taken them in... THey do not have a good record of assimilation in any of their Host Nations... You can't deny they are for most part seen as the *** of the Arab World by other Arab countries.. They are content to keep the Gazan & West Bank Arabs right where they are ---- because it serves a 2-fold purpose.. One being they don't have to open their homes or cofers to them ... The other is it keeps the ire of the other Arab countries people directed towards the Jews, instead of turning that anger & rage against their own leaders.. 

         You can carry on that the West Bank & Gazan Arabs have been victims of the Israelis if you wish --- but the fact is more than anything, those people have been made victims by their own choices in leadership ---- Arafat, PLO, Fatah, Palestinian Authority, Hamas etc.. You also neglect to mention prior to the 6 Day was in 1967, Egypt occupied and was responsible for Gaza, and Jordan was responsible for administering the West Bank... It's time to remind yourself of the rules & nature of Wars.... When you lose a Wars, (especially Wars you initiate) it is the Winner who dictates terms and draws land boundaries --- not the Losers... Again, look at Maps of Europe prior to, then after WW1 & WW2... Everytime Israel has been attacked and defeated an Arab neighbour or players in the Palestinian territories, it has cost the Arabs real estate... That's why Israel is sizably larger than what it was originally mapped out to be in 1947...  And you can bet when the dust settles from this latest conflict, Israel will shave more land from Gaza under the guise it is required to increase a security buffer between Israel and the Palestinians.

        When Israel withdrew the IDF and all the Settlers from Gaza in 2007, the Palestinians in the Strip had an opportunity to create a prosperous, desirable, self-governed home for their people... THere was also great potential to exploit their beautiful coastline & beaches to draw foreign investment and build a tourist industry.. A lot of people including myself saw this as one of the best chances to see a Palestinian State.. But again, they made themselves victims of their own poor choices.... If you could magically increase the landmass of Gaza by 10 and keeping Hamas in power, the story would be the same ---- failure, and all efforts & resources allocated to attacking their Israeli neighbours..

      I'm not Jewish, nor do I belong to any faith... But in the case of the Palestinian Territories I view the dispute from 2 perspectives.. In the case of the West Bank, it is mostly political... In the case of Gaza, it is more from the Religious perspective because Hamas (and lesser extent Islamic Jihad) rules and acts from an Islamic position.

       
 
 

Vegas » 22 Feb 2024, 2:10 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Feb 2024, 2:10 pm

What a world we live in. It seems that the Middle East supports a genocide. I can't support that on any group.

the US public is not allowed to discuss the horror show but every me country and I  am sure most of europe  including russia  is alarmed

here is the reaction of saudia arabia
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https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240 ... -conflict/

The GCC ministerial meeting is expected to discuss Israel’s ongoing Israeli offensive on the Gaza Strip following a Hamas attack.The ensuing Israeli bombardment has killed more than 30,400 and injured about 71,700 others with mass destruction and shortages of necessities, while nearly 1,200 Israelis are believed to have been killed.GCC Secretary-General Jasem Mohammed Al-Budaiwi denounced Israeli infringements of international humanitarian law in Gaza, particularly its consistent and direct targeting of civilians.He called for an immediate cease-fire in the Gaza Strip.The Israeli war, now in its 149th day, has pushed 85% of Gaza’s population into internal displacement amid acute shortages of food, clean water, and medicine, while 60% of the enclave’s infrastructure has been damaged or destroyed, according to the UN.Israel stands accused of genocide at the International Court of Justice. An interim ruling in January ordered Tel Aviv to stop genocidal acts and take measures to guarantee that humanitarian assistance is provided to civilians in Gaza.
 
 
 

Vegas » 22 Feb 2024, 10:15 am » wrote: ↑

22 Feb 2024, 10:15 am

The Arabs in the Middle East have wanted Israel wiped off the map for decades, partly because of how oppressive they are toward the Palis. They claim they love the people of Palestine. However, they are not accepting any refugees. How come they are not stepping up? At this point, the Palis will be swimming soon.

lebanon------------
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https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/top- ... ce-lebanon

Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah has said that Hezbollah will stop its attacks on Israel when a ceasefire in Gaza is reached. Earlier on Monday Hezbollah's deputy chief Naim Qassem reiterated that message, saying; "stop the assault on Gaza and war will end in the region.”But Hochstein appeared to try and de-link the tensions in Lebanon from Gaza, saying that a truce in the besieged enclave where Hamas and Israel are fighting would not bring peace to Lebanon."It does not necessarily happen that when you have a ceasefire in Gaza, it just automatically extends (to Lebanon)," he told reporters.=========

hmmmmmm no need to try a cease fire- the us says it won't work.