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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/1 ... y-election

1 Mar 2024
A left-wing United Kingdom politician has registered a landslide win in a parliamentary by-election on a platform promising to advocate for Gaza.

George Galloway won the seat in the northern English town of Rochdale after a fractious campaign, which saw the Labour Party withdraw support from its candidate over his anti-Israel comments.
 

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https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas ... facf6c9dd4

Britain could officially recognize a Palestinian state after a cease-fire in Gaza without waiting for the outcome of future talks between Israel and the Palestinians on a two-state solution, U.K. Foreign Secretary David Cameron said Thursday.

However, Cameron said no recognition could come while Hamas remains in Gaza. He spoke during a visit to Lebanon intended to tamp down regional tensions as Israel’s war in Gaza continues to spill over into neighboring countries.

In Turkey, two gunmen took seven hostages at a factory owned by U.S. company Procter & Gamble on Thursday, according to media reports, apparently in protest against the war.

More than 27,000 people have been killed and 66,000 wounded by Israel’s offensive against Hamas in Gaza, the territory’s Health Ministry said Thursday. The Health Ministry does not distinguish between civilian and combatant deaths, but says most of those killed were women and children.

U.N. officials say a quarter of Gaza’s 2.3 million population is starving.
 
 

https://apnews.com/article/prince-willi ... ce40bce5d6

Updated 10:08 AM CST, February 20, 2024
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LONDON (AP) — Prince William, the heir to the British throne, called Tuesday for an end to fighting in the Gaza Strip as soon as possible.

William stopped short of calling for an immediate cease-fire in Gaza as the House of Commons prepares for a vote on that issue on Wednesday. The message, written in white on a black background, was placed under William’s cypher on X, formerly known as Twitter.

“Sometimes it is only when faced with the sheer scale of human suffering that the importance of permanent peace is brought home,’’ William said.

William used careful language focused on universal humanity rather than taking sides. Britain’s Foreign Office was briefed on the statement and his engagements.

His statement also noted the “terrible human cost” since the Hamas-led Oct. 7 attack in southern Israel and the “desperate need for increased humanitarian support for Gaza.” The U.N. is warning of growing malnourishmen
 

jerrab » 05 Mar 2024, 5:37 am » wrote: ↑

05 Mar 2024, 5:37 am

the US public is not allowed to discuss the horror show but every me country and I  am sure most of europe  including russia  is alarmed

here is the reaction of saudia arabia
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https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240 ... -conflict/

The GCC ministerial meeting is expected to discuss Israel’s ongoing Israeli offensive on the Gaza Strip following a Hamas attack.The ensuing Israeli bombardment has killed more than 30,400 and injured about 71,700 others with mass destruction and shortages of necessities, while nearly 1,200 Israelis are believed to have been killed.GCC Secretary-General Jasem Mohammed Al-Budaiwi denounced Israeli infringements of international humanitarian law in Gaza, particularly its consistent and direct targeting of civilians.He called for an immediate cease-fire in the Gaza Strip.The Israeli war, now in its 149th day, has pushed 85% of Gaza’s population into internal displacement amid acute shortages of food, clean water, and medicine, while 60% of the enclave’s infrastructure has been damaged or destroyed, according to the UN.Israel stands accused of genocide at the International Court of Justice. An interim ruling in January ordered Tel Aviv to stop genocidal acts and take measures to guarantee that humanitarian assistance is provided to civilians in Gaza.

   Is this the same Saudi Arabia who many Palestinian sympathizers now view as the moral authority regarding the Israel / Hamas conflict --- that not long ago were also accused by these same people of Genocide against the people of Yemen? 

   Genocide Emergency: Saudi Arabia and the war in Yemen

https://www.genocidewatch.com/single-po ... 20supplies.
 
 
 

Kobia2 » 05 Mar 2024, 12:49 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Mar 2024, 12:49 pm

   Is this the same Saudi Arabia who many Palestinian sympathizers now view as the moral authority regarding the Israel / Hamas conflict --- that not long ago were also accused by these same people of Genocide against the people of Yemen? 

   Genocide Emergency: Saudi Arabia and the war in Yemen

https://www.genocidewatch.com/single-po ... 20supplies.

looks like.

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Kobia2 » 05 Mar 2024, 2:14 am » wrote: ↑

05 Mar 2024, 2:14 am

          Your assertion is that the Arab world thinks not taking in more Palestinian Arabs is doing them some kind of favor or is for their own good for the sake of a Palestinian State?.... Not likely....

Your inference - not my implication. Arab leaders care not for their own people - much less palis. They refuse to help the israelis ethnically cleanse Palestine. "For their own good" is YOUR ****.

Kobia2 » 05 Mar 2024, 2:14 am » wrote: ↑

05 Mar 2024, 2:14 am

...a 2-fold purpose.. One being they don't have to open their homes or cofers to them ... The other is it keeps the ire of the other Arab countries people directed towards the Jews, instead of turning that anger & rage against their own leaders.. 

I don't dispute these motives. They're just incomplete.

Kobia2 » 05 Mar 2024, 2:14 am » wrote: ↑

05 Mar 2024, 2:14 am

         You can carry on that the West Bank & Gazan Arabs have been victims of the Israelis if you wish --- but the fact is more than anything, those people have been made victims by their own choices in leadership ---- Arafat, PLO, Fatah, Palestinian Authority, Hamas etc..

Netanyahu FUNDED Hamas - foisted in on Gaza. It's in Haaretz and the Jerusalem Times. Look it up. 

Kobia2 » 05 Mar 2024, 2:14 am » wrote: ↑

05 Mar 2024, 2:14 am

...  And you can bet when the dust settles from this latest conflict, Israel will shave more land from Gaza under the guise it is required to increase a security buffer between Israel and the Palestinians.

They've BEEN taking land, lawlessly, by brute strength and state-murder. That's like predicting the sun will rise in the east. 

The israelis want the palis off the land entirely. Or is it your argument that they make lovely neighbors and the israelis DESPERATELY want them to stay? 

For you to tacitly insist that israel LIKES having the palis as neighbors and would NEVER want to run them off the land? That's just silly, is all. They keep rounding them up and running them off the land, putting them on reservations that they then prohibit to engage in free trade. And I know you will say I am putting words in your mouth - but am I?

Rounding up a population based on its ethnicity and putting them onto reservations is the very definition of ethnic cleansing. Allowing SOME of that ethnicity to be citizens - as we did with our natives - in no measure changes the definition of israel's policy and actions.

Kobia2 » 05 Mar 2024, 2:14 am » wrote: ↑

05 Mar 2024, 2:14 am

        When Israel withdrew the IDF and all the Settlers from Gaza in 2007, the Palestinians in the Strip had an opportunity to create a prosperous, desirable, self-governed home for their people..

Except for the blockades, you mean.

Keep the fairy stories. The palis were PARTITIONED, separating families - some in the west bank and some in gaza. They were and are prevented from trade - EVEN WITH EACH OTHER, much less with the outside world. It's one thing to carry water - another to slobber preposterously while ya do it.

Kobia2 » 05 Mar 2024, 2:14 am » wrote: ↑

05 Mar 2024, 2:14 am

      I'm not Jewish, nor do I belong to any faith... But in the case of the Palestinian Territories I view the dispute from 2 perspectives.. In the case of the West Bank, it is mostly political... In the case of Gaza, it is more from the Religious perspective because Hamas (and lesser extent Islamic Jihad) rules and acts from an Islamic position.

Separating people and confining them to reservations violates international law. Pretending those reservations have every opportunity to become independent states and no one is stopping them is the work of in-the-tank neocon zionists and the lightweight fools they inform. Which are you?

 
 

Kobia2 » 05 Mar 2024, 12:49 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Mar 2024, 12:49 pm

   Is this the same Saudi Arabia who many Palestinian sympathizers now view as the moral authority regarding the Israel / Hamas conflict --- that not long ago were also accused by these same people of Genocide against the people of Yemen? 

   Genocide Emergency: Saudi Arabia and the war in Yemen

https://www.genocidewatch.com/single-po ... 20supplies.

How many saudia arabias do in-the-tank neocon morons believe there to be?
 

Cannonpointer » 05 Mar 2024, 2:00 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Mar 2024, 2:00 pm

Your inference - not my implication. Arab leaders care not for their own people - much less palis. They refuse to help the israelis ethnically cleanse Palestine. "For their own good" is YOUR ****.

I don't dispute these motives. They're just incomplete.

Netanyahu FUNDED Hamas - foisted in on Gaza. It's in Haaretz and the Jerusalem Times. Look it up. 

They've BEEN taking land, lawlessly, by brute strength and state-murder. That's like predicting the sun will rise in the east. 

The israelis want the palis off the land entirely. Or is it your argument that they make lovely neighbors and the israelis DESPERATELY want them to stay? 

For you to tacitly insist that israel LIKES having the palis as neighbors and would NEVER want to run them off the land? That's just silly, is all. They keep rounding them up and running them off the land, putting them on reservations that they then prohibit to engage in free trade. And I know you will say I am putting words in your mouth - but am I?

Rounding up a population based on its ethnicity and putting them onto reservations is the very definition of ethnic cleansing. Allowing SOME of that ethnicity to be citizens - as we did with our natives - in no measure changes the definition of israel's policy and actions.

Except for the blockades, you mean.

Keep the fairy stories. The palis were PARTITIONED, separating families - some in the west bank and some in gaza. They were and are prevented from trade - EVEN WITH EACH OTHER, much less with the outside world. It's one thing to carry water - another to slobber preposterously while ya do it.

Separating people and confining them to reservations violates international law. Pretending those reservations have every opportunity to become independent states and no one is stopping them is the work of in-the-tank neocon zionists and the lightweight fools they inform. Which are you?

          The history and record of the consequences brought to any Nation that's taken the Palestinian "refugees" in numbers (especially those who flocked there with Arafat) is well documented over decades, and is the reason no Arab countries today want to take any more of them in-- and wisely so. If it were any different, we'd be hearing nothing of this assisting Israel of Ethnic Cleansing  theory...

          The Notion of  Ethnic Cleansing, like any assertions of a Genocide are simply NOT supported by the numbers... The Palestinians have had one of the highest fertility rates and population increases in the world for decades.... So either you're dead wrong -  or the Palestinians can **** faster than the IDF has been trying to depopulate Gaza and the West Bank.. But the truth is there has been Ethnic cleansing in Gaza... There had always been Jewish villages and communities there going back to pre-Biblical times... Today not a single Jew lives in Gaza.

          The Israelis clearly have little to no love for their Palestinian neighbours --- but Israelis on the large are not openly calling for the removal of all Arabs from the River to the Sea.. Every offer to coexist brokered by anyone has been rejected by the Palestinians.. They have never been interested in a Palestinian State NEXT TO Israel.... The fantasy is yours if you believe otherwise... 

           The Blockades were put into effect after Hamas took power and began ramping up Rocket Attacks on Israel, as they had been since 2001... You neglected to mention Egypt also blockading Gaza after the Hamas takeover and why... 

            The piece floating around the Net from the Hard-Left, Netenyahu Haaretz is a gross distortion of the reality regarding this alleged support for Hamas..... This explains it... 
https://www.jns.org/the-myth-that-israe ... ded-hamas/
             
 

Cannonpointer » 05 Mar 2024, 7:12 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Mar 2024, 7:12 pm

How many saudia arabias do in-the-tank neocon morons believe there to be?

         I had to do a quick double-take there, I thought you slipped into your SumelaPointer costume Mr. Neocon - Murka- Tranny.... 

         Not surprising to see you go your usual route, rather than respond to the hypocrisy of a country like Saudi Arabia accusing anyone else of Genocide.... Are you a defender of them now as well?  LOL  

Kobia2 » 05 Mar 2024, 7:19 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Mar 2024, 7:19 pm

           it were any different, we'd be hearing nothing of this assisting Israel of Ethnic Cleansing  theory...

You say that like it makes some kind of sense. Like it naturally follows. Help me make the connection. It sounds ***-pulled.

Kobia2 » 05 Mar 2024, 7:19 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Mar 2024, 7:19 pm

          The Notion of  Ethnic Cleansing, like any assertions of a Genocide are simply NOT supported by the numbers...

The numbers do not do themselves. Math is about inputs - and you have failed to math properly.

Kobia2 » 05 Mar 2024, 7:19 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Mar 2024, 7:19 pm

The Palestinians have had one of the highest fertility rates and population increases in the world for decades....

So have rats - and we're trying our best to kill them off, too. I don't think you understand how math REALLY works. If I fail to strike you out, it doesn't mean I didn't try. It means you hit the ball.

You can argue that Palestine's growing population is EVIDENCE against the genocide accusations that I have never made. But you are acting like it is proof positive. Again - you don't mathamatize properly A-tall.

Kobia2 » 05 Mar 2024, 7:19 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Mar 2024, 7:19 pm

So either you're dead wrong -  or the Palestinians can **** faster than the IDF has been trying to depopulate Gaza and the West Bank.. But the truth is there has been Ethnic cleansing in Gaza... There had always been Jewish villages and communities there going back to pre-Biblical times... Today not a single Jew lives in Gaza.

I'll talk to the palis about trying harder with the neighbors, kid.

Kobia2 » 05 Mar 2024, 7:19 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Mar 2024, 7:19 pm

          The Israelis clearly have little to no love for their Palestinian neighbours --- but Israelis on the large are not openly calling for the removal of all Arabs from the River to the Sea.. Every offer to coexist brokered by anyone has been rejected by the Palestinians.. They have never been interested in a Palestinian State NEXT TO Israel.... The fantasy is yours if you believe otherwise...

Hamas did the job that bibi put them in there to do. Putting people on reservations remains ethnic cleansing by definition, son.

Kobia2 » 05 Mar 2024, 7:19 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Mar 2024, 7:19 pm

           The Blockades were put into effect after Hamas took power

And bibi put them in power. So here we are.

The blockades are intended to prevent trade and statehood - but but but you have a good excuse.

Kobia2 » 05 Mar 2024, 7:19 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Mar 2024, 7:19 pm

            The piece floating around the Net from the Hard-Left, Netenyahu Haaretz is a gross distortion of the reality regarding this alleged support for Hamas..... This explains it... 
https://www.jns.org/the-myth-that-israe ... ded-hamas/

You googled up an agenda piece from racist zionists in order to call **** on the Israeli Newspaper of Record?

GOOD JOB, kid - good job!
 
 

Vegas » 22 Feb 2024, 10:15 am » wrote: ↑

22 Feb 2024, 10:15 am

The Arabs in the Middle East have wanted Israel wiped off the map for decades, partly because of how oppressive they are toward the Palis. They claim they love the people of Palestine. However, they are not accepting any refugees. How come they are not stepping up? At this point, the Palis will be swimming soon.

The Palestinians are people who were kicked out of Egypt, Jordan and Syria because they were terrorists. 
Why would they open their doors and let them back into their countries, where they would do nothing but cause trouble?

Kobia2 » 05 Mar 2024, 7:24 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Mar 2024, 7:24 pm

         I had to do a quick double-take there, I thought you slipped into your SumelaPointer costume Mr. Neocon - Murka- Tranny.... 

         Not surprising to see you go your usual route, rather than respond to the hypocrisy of a country like Saudi Arabia accusing anyone else of Genocide.... Are you a defender of them now as well?  LOL

I am deeply offended by the american-saudi war in yemen. 

I'm just shocked that you don't know how many saudi arabias there are.

The answer is one. There's just the one. But the fact that it's a **** country that does **** things has nothing to do with the topic at hand. 
 

golfboy » 05 Mar 2024, 7:38 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Mar 2024, 7:38 pm

The Palestinians are people who were kicked out of Egypt, Jordan and Syria because they were terrorists. 
Why would they open their doors and let them back into their countries, where they would do nothing but cause trouble?

There are close to 5 million terrorists living next to Israel? Yeah, okay. 

Kobia2 » 05 Mar 2024, 12:49 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Mar 2024, 12:49 pm

   Is this the same Saudi Arabia who many Palestinian sympathizers now view as the moral authority regarding the Israel / Hamas conflict --- that not long ago were also accused by these same people of Genocide against the people of Yemen? 

   Genocide Emergency: Saudi Arabia and the war in Yemen

https://www.genocidewatch.com/single-po ... 20supplies.

You need to be careful quoting genocide watch dot com and expecting OTHERS to respect it when you don't, dummy. 

That is EXCEEDINGLY hypocritical. You want to use them as experts - and you expect others to respect their findings - but only in the case of Yemen.

You ignore them and call them crazy in the case of the Palestinians. 

You have serious integrity issues, kid. You want your bread buttered on both sides while keeping clean hands.

 
 

Vegas » 05 Mar 2024, 7:51 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Mar 2024, 7:51 pm

There are close to 5 million terrorists living next to Israel? Yeah, okay.

Yea, okay. 
 

golfboy » 05 Mar 2024, 7:38 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Mar 2024, 7:38 pm

The Palestinians are people who were kicked out of Egypt, Jordan and Syria because they were terrorists. 
Why would they open their doors and let them back into their countries, where they would do nothing but cause trouble?

Do you think it's genetic? Are Palestinians just pieces of ****?

I know the jews - by their own math - were kicked out of more than a HUNDRED countries. Are they pieces of ****? Or do they just have a really **** up culture that made your ancestors hate them and kick them out? Which would YOU say it is? Or is it some other cause?
 

Cannonpointer » 05 Mar 2024, 7:56 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Mar 2024, 7:56 pm

Do you think it's genetic? Are Palestinians just pieces of ****?

I know the jews - by their own math - were kicked out of more than a HUNDRED countries. Are they pieces of ****? Or do they just have a really **** up culture that made your ancestors hate them and kick them out? Which would YOU say it is? Or is it some other cause?

Yea, I'd have to say that the Palestinians are just pieces of ****. 
It would be like us taking democrats and pushing them out of the country to Mexico and telling them not to come back, and building walls to keep them out. 
That's literally what happened. 

As for he Jews, if you believe the Bible, they were cursed and that's why they are hated.
If you don't believe the Bible, it's probably because they are, as a rule, shrewd and ruthless businessmen and people hate them. 
 

golfboy » 05 Mar 2024, 7:59 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Mar 2024, 7:59 pm

Yea, I'd have to say that the Palestinians are just pieces of ****. 
It would be like us taking democrats and pushing them out of the country to Mexico and telling them not to come back, and building walls to keep them out. 
That's literally what happened. 

As for he Jews, if you believe the Bible, they were cursed and that's why they are hated.
If you don't believe the Bible, it's probably because they are, as a rule, shrewd and ruthless businessmen and people hate them.

So, they are EITHER hated because they are the accursed of God, which means Bible-believers should hate them; OR they are hated for being "shrewd and ruthless" pieces of ****?
 
Am I reading you right?
 

Cannonpointer » 05 Mar 2024, 8:01 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Mar 2024, 8:01 pm

So, they are EITHER hated because they are the accursed of God, which means Bible-believers should hate them; OR they are hated for being "shrewd and ruthless" pieces of ****?
 
Am I reading you right?

it was because of of what paul wrote and for centuries christians treated  the jews badly.
 

jerrab » 05 Mar 2024, 8:05 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Mar 2024, 8:05 pm

it was because of of what paul wrote and for centuries christians treated  the jews badly.

So PAUL was the piece of ****?

Am I reading you right?
 
@golfboy  - was Paul the piece of ****, or was it the jews? Or is there some other explanation for being run out of A HUNDRED-PLUS countries that invited them in out of compassion and then ran them out after getting to know them?