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nefarious101 » 26 Feb 2024, 11:58 am » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2024, 11:58 am

I just heard the same people predicting Earth would be "ice free" by 2012 now predict the world will be "ice free" in 50 to 60 years....and we could all be dead with a 500 million year time frame.

Why wouldn't you believe those same people telling you the GOP is dead every year since Billy "Blisters" and Hillary were in the White House?...

I don't know about you but I'm pretty sure I'm not gonna make that 500 million year mark myself.

 
 

Squatchman » 26 Feb 2024, 12:01 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2024, 12:01 pm

Embryos are not people.
You can freeze an embryo and it'll be fine.
If you freeze a person you've got some explaining to do.

when you attribute life only exists cradle to grave you ignore 2/3 of a life cycle you were since conceived to replace your 30 previous ancestors. As a 31 arrival myself living in parallel time adapting as displaced i can attest how inaccurate you are defying why you are you here now.

a decade after each child conceived is born the child is basically only 9 years and 3 months old in reality. you may need a working mayan calendar to figure that out.

maineman » 24 Feb 2024, 7:19 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Feb 2024, 7:19 pm

Hey... when someone said, The Left is desperately doing everything imaginable to make Abortion not only the top issue, but the only issue to Voters

you replied, "exactly...the crap now with IVF."

If you DON'T have a ****  clue what you are talking about, and it certainly appears as if you don't, why the knee-jerk move to blame it on the left when it was the Alabama Supreme Court who proclaimed embryos people, not the left?  And it certainly wasn't the left who tossed Roe v. Wade into the dumpster.  

**** OWN IT.  

If you don't want the women of America to vote against the Republican party because of their positions on reproductive freedom, then you should change your positions.  I mean, how the **** did you expect women to react when you all did that stupid ****?

Pretend for a second that I'm as dumb as you, and explain why women should vote against the Republican party when they have NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with either the decision of the Supreme Court or with anything other than the legislation provided by the representatives in their own state?
If the majority of the people in Alabama don't like the abortion law of their state, they can either vote for new Congressmen who agree with them or move to a state more friendly to their desire to kill an unborn child.  That's EXACTLY what the Constitution says, (read the 10th Amendment) and EXACTLY what the country voted for.  The fact that you're only concerned with what some percentage of the state wants does not negate the desires of the percentage who are pro-life on the other side!  And whichever side has the majority opinion with them is the side that will rule the day and set the laws for their state, with ZERO effect on any other state. 

Isn't that how democracy SHOULD work in this country?
 

Zeets2 » 26 Feb 2024, 12:22 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2024, 12:22 pm

Pretend for a second that I'm as dumb as you, and explain why women should vote against the Republican party when they have NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with either the decision of the Supreme Court or with anything other than the legislation provided by the representatives in their own state?
If the majority of the people in Alabama don't like the abortion law of their state, they can either vote for new Congressmen who agree with them or move to a state more friendly to their desire to kill an unborn child.  That's EXACTLY what the Constitution says, (read the 10th Amendment) and EXACTLY what the country voted for.  The fact that you're only concerned with what some percentage of the state wants does not negate the desires of the percentage who are pro-life on the other side!  And whichever side has the majority opinion with them is the side that will rule the day and set the laws for their state, with ZERO effect on any other state. 

Isn't that how democracy SHOULD work in this country?

The Republican party has a lot to do with the makeup of SCOTUS.  Donald Trump has a LOT to do with the current makeup of SCOTUS, moreso than any other single POTUS.

YOU may not like it, but Democrats are gonna use Dobbs and Alabama to whip up their base just like the GOP used Roe for 50 years.  Deal with it, because, whether you like it or not, that is the way politics DOES work in this country.

ROG62 » 26 Feb 2024, 11:48 am » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2024, 11:48 am

how's that ruling explanation coming along?

I have no idea.  Ask your research assistant. That sure as **** ain't me, asshole. 

Zeets2 » 26 Feb 2024, 12:22 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2024, 12:22 pm

Pretend for a second that I'm as dumb as you, and explain why women should vote against the Republican party when they have NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with either the decision of the Supreme Court or with anything other than the legislation provided by the representatives in their own state?
If the majority of the people in Alabama don't like the abortion law of their state, they can either vote for new Congressmen who agree with them or move to a state more friendly to their desire to kill an unborn child.  That's EXACTLY what the Constitution says, (read the 10th Amendment) and EXACTLY what the country voted for.  The fact that you're only concerned with what some percentage of the state wants does not negate the desires of the percentage who are pro-life on the other side!  And whichever side has the majority opinion with them is the side that will rule the day and set the laws for their state, with ZERO effect on any other state. 

Isn't that how democracy SHOULD work in this country?
 

Dictatorships and Democracies govern to the same outcome, controlling next generations same way as last 4 as does any religion promising better tomorrows for the sacrifice of biological time left adapting to the moment here keeping ideas going every generation left alive next rotation of the planet.

what is wrong with that greater good scenario?

Living doesn't exceed adapting to the moment here.

maineman » 26 Feb 2024, 12:52 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2024, 12:52 pm

The Republican party has a lot to do with the makeup of SCOTUS.  Donald Trump has a LOT to do with the current makeup of SCOTUS, moreso than any other single POTUS.

YOU may not like it, but Democrats are gonna use Dobbs and Alabama to whip up their base just like the GOP used Roe for 50 years.  Deal with it, because, whether you like it or not, that is the way politics DOES work in this country.

Of course, dumb Democrats will scream about their right to murder babies, but how will voting against Republicans advance that agenda any time soon?  And what makes you so sure that Democrats in those 35 states that still allow abortions, including some that have even now chosen stronger abortion rights in their state give a **** since nothing's changed for them since the SC decision?

I grant you, you'll still get the most stupid liberals to go along with that in the other 15 states, but they're not large majorities in those states and their votes won't change the outcome of either the presidential election or their state elections.  Just look at the current polls where Trump is miles ahead of Biden in virtually every swing state.  And those voting against Republicans because of the SC decision will likely be offset by the number of pro-life voters and strict Constitutionalists like myself who are happy that the Constitutional rights of the states has now been correctly codified.

Are you assuming that those pro-abortion advocates will vote strictly on that one issue and not on a compilation of others like illegal immigration, inflation, the high crime in their states, the illegal drug trade, the war in Ukraine, the high gas prices, the LBGT agenda teaching in schools, the destruction of women's sports by allowing biological men to compete against women, the parental outrage over indoctrinating their kids that they can change their sex, or the obvious dementia and pure corruption that Biden has shown?  This will NOT be an election won or lost by one issue, and I have no doubt that will break your heart!  Don't discount the fact the millions of Democrat voters will likely simply stay home on Election day rather than vote for the incompetent boob you so love!
 

Zeets2 » 26 Feb 2024, 1:34 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2024, 1:34 pm

Of course, dumb Democrats will scream about their right to murder babies, but how will voting against Republicans advance that agenda any time soon?  And what makes you so sure that Democrats in those 35 states that still allow abortions, including some that have even now chosen stronger abortion rights in their state give a **** since nothing's changed for them since the SC decision?

I grant you, you'll still get the most stupid liberals to go along with that in the other 15 states, but they're not large majorities in those states and their votes won't change the outcome of either the presidential election or their state elections.  Just look at the current polls where Trump is miles ahead of Biden in virtually every swing state.  And those voting against Republicans because of the SC decision will likely be offset by the number of pro-life voters and strict Constitutionalists like myself who are happy that the Constitutional rights of the states has now been correctly codified.

Are you assuming that those pro-abortion advocates will vote strictly on that one issue and not on a compilation of others like illegal immigration, inflation, the high crime in their states, the illegal drug trade, the war in Ukraine, the high gas prices, the LBGT agenda teaching in schools, the destruction of women's sports by allowing biological men to compete against women, the parental outrage over indoctrinating their kids that they can change their sex, or the obvious dementia and pure corruption that Biden has shown?  This will NOT be an election won or lost by one issue, and I have no doubt that will break your heart!  Don't discount the fact the millions of Democrat voters will likely simply stay home on Election day rather than vote for the incompetent boob you so love!

This will definitely not be a single-issue election, nor did I ever claim it would be.  

Look at the GOP track record in elections after 2016.  It's terrible.  In 2018, you lost the house.  In 2020, you lost the white house and the senate.  In 2022, in a midterm election EVERYONE was predicting would be a red tsunami, you horribly underperformed in barely taking back the house and even lost ground in the Senate.  Every single special election since Dobbs has gone for Democrats and every referendum on abortion - even in dead red states - has gone in favor of pro-choice positions.

Most importantly, if your party had been able to nominate a candidate, like a Nikki Haley, or a Larry Hogan or a John Kasich, you might have been able to frame the election around Joe Biden's age.  Unfortunately for you, you are stuck with Trump who is so divisive a candidate that even democrats who are luke warm about Biden will STILL get to the polls to vote AGAINST what most of them see as an existential threat to the future of our democracy.  In a recent poll, 40% of REPUBLICANS said they would not be able to vote for Trump if he had a criminal conviction.  He is an albatross around your party's neck and he will drag you all down with him as he has consistently done since the 2018 midterm.

RedheadedStranger » 26 Feb 2024, 12:12 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2024, 12:12 pm

I don't know about you but I'm pretty sure I'm not gonna make that 500 million year mark myself.

Never know....immorality might be Biden campaign promise this go round
 

maineman » 26 Feb 2024, 3:14 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2024, 3:14 pm

This will definitely not be a single-issue election, nor did I ever claim it would be.  

Look at the GOP track record in elections after 2016.  It's terrible.  In 2018, you lost the house.  In 2020, you lost the white house and the senate.  In 2022, in a midterm election EVERYONE was predicting would be a red tsunami, you horribly underperformed in barely taking back the house and even lost ground in the Senate.  Every single special election since Dobbs has gone for Democrats and every referendum on abortion - even in dead red states - has gone in favor of pro-choice positions.

Most importantly, if your party had been able to nominate a candidate, like a Nikki Haley, or a Larry Hogan or a John Kasich, you might have been able to frame the election around Joe Biden's age.  Unfortunately for you, you are stuck with Trump who is so divisive a candidate that even democrats who are luke warm about Biden will STILL get to the polls to vote AGAINST what most of them see as an existential threat to the future of our democracy.  In a recent poll, 40% of REPUBLICANS said they would not be able to vote for Trump if he had a criminal conviction.  He is an albatross around your party's neck and he will drag you all down with him as he has consistently done since the 2018 midterm.

So how come the polls still have him kicking Biden's *** in every swing state in the country?
I'll take that kind of albatross over your dead fish any day of the week!

Zeets2 » 26 Feb 2024, 3:53 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2024, 3:53 pm

So how come the polls still have him kicking Biden's *** in every swing state in the country?
I'll take that kind of albatross over your dead fish any day of the week!

Because Biden's handlers still control urban ballot collections.

Zeets2 » 26 Feb 2024, 3:53 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2024, 3:53 pm

So how come the polls still have him kicking Biden's *** in every swing state in the country?
I'll take that kind of albatross over your dead fish any day of the week!

I lost interest in pre-election polls back in 2016.  Remember when they had Hillary kicking Trump's *** in all those same swing states?    

Unemployment keeps going down.  Jobs keep getting created in record numbers.  Inflation is dropping rapidly, and faster than most of the rest of the world.  The GOP leadership at the national level looks hapless - even Comer admitted that the Biden impeachment effort is a long shot getting longer.  And that is not even mentioning 91 criminal counts.  In SC on Saturday, exit polls showed that 40% of Republican primary voters would NOT vote for Trump if he had even one felony conviction.  What are the chances that at least ONE of the nintety-one sticks?  Enjoy the albatross.  

Again... look at every single election since Trump was sworn into office.  Even sleepy Joe kicked his *** and that was BEFORE January 6th and BEFORE four separate criminal indictments.  He's been a loser for your party for over six years, but, just like Brokeback Mountain, you just can't seem to quit him, can you?  

maineman » 26 Feb 2024, 4:42 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2024, 4:42 pm

I lost interest in pre-election polls back in 2016.  Remember when they had Hillary kicking Trump's *** in all those same swing states?    

Unemployment keeps going down.  Jobs keep getting created in record numbers.  Inflation is dropping rapidly, and faster than most of the rest of the world.  The GOP leadership at the national level looks hapless - even Comer admitted that the Biden impeachment effort is a long shot getting longer.  And that is not even mentioning 91 criminal counts.  In SC on Saturday, exit polls showed that 40% of Republican primary voters would NOT vote for Trump if he had even one felony conviction.  What are the chances that at least ONE of the nintety-one sticks?  Enjoy the albatross.  

Again... look at every single election since Trump was sworn into office.  Even sleepy Joe kicked his *** and that was BEFORE January 6th and BEFORE four separate criminal indictments.  He's been a loser for your party for over six years, but, just like Brokeback Mountain, you just can't seem to quit him, can you?

This will be the year that Democrats will fail because their methods of cheating have now been exposed.
Now, you don't REALLY believe that an idiot like Biden could possibly have gotten more votes that any other nominee in history, do you?
 

Zeets2 » 26 Feb 2024, 4:48 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2024, 4:48 pm

This will be the year that Democrats will fail because their methods of cheating have now been exposed.
Now, you don't REALLY believe that an idiot like Biden could possibly have gotten more votes that any other nominee in history, do you?

absolutely.  When you press and press voters to vote early by mail from the safety of their kitchen table.  You have no idea how intense the GOTV effort was by the DNC. I do for two reasons: 1.  I participated in it by spending a dozen evenings - at least - manning phone banks, and 2.  my wife and I were subjected to it when we weren't manning the phones.

We never cheated.  We just worked harder.

every Democrat or any voter who even stated that they leaned Democrat got called and called and called and called and called.  They were sent multiple absentee ballot application forms and were called to ask if they had received it and when they planned on mailing it in.  They got called (and called) until they mailed it in.  They got called (and called) to see if they had received their ballot and whether they had filled it out and mailed it in.  They got called (and called) to see if they had verified online that the Secretary of State had received their ballot and then they were called (and called) to ask if they could come in and volunteer to man phone banks, or to be a poll watcher, or to drive voters to the polls, or, if they had their Notary, as I do, they could go and help homebound folks vote on election day.  Every phone call every interaction stressed the existential threat to democracy that Donald Trump posed.  I have been  voting in Presidential elections since 1972 and I have always been impressed by the extent and intensity of Democrat's GOTV plans but 2020 was off the **** chain different/better/more intense/more effective than ANY year prior.  And 2024 will be JUST as intense.  We KNOW what's riding on it.

And, just so you know, part of the script the phone bank folks were reading was a paragraph to read if the person on the other end of the line expressed doubt about Biden.  We stressed to all those folks that 2020 was not necessarily a vote FOR Joe Biden, it was a vote FOR America and AGAINST Donald Trump.  It worked.  BIGLY

 
 

maineman » 26 Feb 2024, 5:03 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2024, 5:03 pm

absolutely.  When you press and press voters to vote early by mail from the safety of their kitchen table.  You have no idea how intense the GOTV effort was by the DNC. I do for two reasons: 1.  I participated in it by spending a dozen evenings - at least - manning phone banks, and 2.  my wife and I were subjected to it when we weren't manning the phones.

We never cheated.  We just worked harder.

every Democrat or any voter who even stated that they leaned Democrat got called and called and called and called and called.  They were sent multiple absentee ballot application forms and were called to ask if they had received it and when then planned on mailing it in.  They got called (and called) until they mailed it in.  They got called (and called) to see if they had verified online that the Secretary of State had received their ballot and then they were called (and called) to ask if they could come in and volunteer to man phone banks, or to be a poll watcher, or to drive voters to the polls, or, if they had their Notary, as I do, they could go and help homebound folks vote on election day.  Every phone call every interaction stressed the existential threat to democracy that Donald Trump posed.  I have been  voting in Presidential elections since 1972 and I have always been impressed by the extent and intensity of Democrat's GOTV plans but 2020 was off the **** chain different/better/more intense/more effective than ANY year prior.  And 2024 will be JUST as intense.  We KNOW what's riding on it.

And, just so you know, part of the script the phone bank folks were reading was a paragraph to read if the person on the other end of the line expressed doubt about Biden.  We stressed to all those folks that 2020 was not necessarily a vote FOR Joe Biden, it was a vote FOR America and AGAINST Donald Trump.  It worked.

It worked?

Yep..
Really worked for a 22 year old woman in GA..

I know you won't answer.
It's your style 
 

maineman » 26 Feb 2024, 12:52 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2024, 12:52 pm

The Republican party has a lot to do with the makeup of SCOTUS.  Donald Trump has a LOT to do with the current makeup of SCOTUS, moreso than any other single POTUS.

YOU may not like it, but Democrats are gonna use Dobbs and Alabama to whip up their base just like the GOP used Roe for 50 years.  Deal with it, because, whether you like it or not, that is the way politics DOES work in this country.

I was shocked when the republicans killed Roe

I honestly never thought that they would killed the goose that laid the golden vote

that like if the left killed the idea of MFA

oh wait 

 
 

Mrkelly » 26 Feb 2024, 5:12 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2024, 5:12 pm

I was shocked when the republicans killed Roe

I honestly never thought that they would killed the goose that laid the golden vote

that like if the left killed the idea of MFA

oh wait

All it did was give states the oppurtunity to choose their own path...

Like the death penalty
 

BooRadley » 26 Feb 2024, 5:08 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2024, 5:08 pm

 

You know that he has you on ignore don’t you?

maybe you don’t know how that works 

being new and all   
 

BooRadley » 26 Feb 2024, 5:13 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2024, 5:13 pm

All it did was give states the oppurtunity to choose their own path...

Like the death penalty

Not the point

Miss BUTWHATABOUT   
 

Mrkelly » 26 Feb 2024, 5:15 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2024, 5:15 pm

You know that he has you on ignore don’t you?

maybe you don’t know how that works 

being new and all 

I read over the weekend he had others on ignore.

Guess he doesn't like to have an honest debate.