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Sergei know
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There is no such thing as Ukraine "winning" this war
shame on the media for continuing to lie about it.

some have been hoaxed into believing that once Ukrainians forces are exhausted, American soldiers will come in to replace them and “win the war”.   


https://twitter.com/MariaMateiciuc/stat ... 93984735?r
 

Sergei » 27 Feb 2024, 6:44 am » wrote: ↑

27 Feb 2024, 6:44 am

Sergei know
Now you know  :wave:  

There is no such thing as Ukraine "winning" this war
shame on the media for continuing to lie about it.

some have been hoaxed into believing that once Ukrainians forces are exhausted, American soldiers will come in to replace them and “win the war”.  :\  


https://twitter.com/MariaMateiciuc/stat ... 93984735?r
 

No such thing as Russia winning either. Life evolves in perpetual balancing outcomes of everything taking place as a whole here now.

What we have here is one species eliminating each others ancestral lineages in plain sight over intellectual ideas living isn't self evidently limited to genetics eternally separating the active reproductions living per generation gap here now.

There is no accountability of the money we send to Ukraine. We know the country is corrupt ... just look at the money the Biden Crime Family got.

Any more funds send to Ukraine is just funding the retirement plan of their leaders as the flee the country.

NEILCAR » 27 Feb 2024, 9:39 am » wrote: ↑

27 Feb 2024, 9:39 am

There is no accountability of the money we send to Ukraine. We know the country is corrupt ... just look at the money the Biden Crime Family got.

Any more funds send to Ukraine is just funding the retirement plan of their leaders as the flee the country.

You demand accountability while commanding exception to the rules of the New World Order "Rank gets privileges the rest won't get tomorrow.".

I just got back from Ukraine, where I was visiting some friends.

Everything we have heard about what’s happening in Ukraine is a lie.

The reality is darker, bleaker, and unequivocally hopeless. There is no such thing as Ukraine "winning" this war.

- By their estimates, they have lost over one million of their sons, fathers and husbands; an entire generation is gone.
- Even in the Southwest, where the anti-Russian sentiment is long-standing, citizens are reluctant or straight-up scared to publicly criticize Zelensky; they will go to jail.
- In every village and town, the streets, shops, and restaurants are mostly absent of men.
- The few men who remain are terrified of leaving their homes for fear of being kidnapped into conscription. Some have resorted to begging friends to break their legs to avoid service.
- Army search parties take place early in the morning, when men leave their homes to go to work. They ambush and kidnap them off the streets and within 3-4 hours they get listed in the army and taken away straight to the front lines with minimal or no training at all; it is "a death sentence."
- It's getting worse every day. Where I was staying, a dentist had just been taken by security forces on his way to work, leaving behind two small children. Every day, 3-5 dead bodies keep arriving from the front lines.
- Mothers and wives fight tooth and nail with the armed forces, beg and plead not to have their men taken away. They try bribing, which sometimes works, but most of the time they are met with physical violence and death threats.
- The territory celebrated as having been "won back" from Russia has been reduced to rubble and is uninhabitable. Regardless, there is no one left to live there and displaced families will likely never return.
- They see the way the war has been reported, at home and abroad. It's a "joke" and "propaganda." They say: “Look around: is this winning?”.
- Worse, some have been hoaxed into believing that once Ukrainians forces are exhausted, American soldiers will come in to replace them and “win the war”.

There is no ambiguity in these people. The war was for nothing - a travesty. The outcome always was, and is, clear. The people are hopeless, utterly destroyed, and living in an unending nightmare.

They are pleading for an end, any end - most likely the same "peace" that could have been achieved two years ago. In their minds, they have already lost, for their sons, fathers and husbands are gone, and their country has been destroyed. There is no "victory" that can change that.

Make no mistake, they are angry with Putin. But they are also angry with Zelensky and the West. They have lost everything, worst of all, hope and faith, and cannot comprehend why Zelenky wishes to continue the current trajectory, the one of human devastation.

I didn't witness the war; but what I saw was absolutely heart-breaking.

Shame on the people, regardless of their intentions, who have supported this war. And shame on the media for continuing to lie about it.

Sergei » 27 Feb 2024, 6:44 am » wrote: ↑

27 Feb 2024, 6:44 am

Sergei know
Now you know   

There is no such thing as Ukraine "winning" this war
shame on the media for continuing to lie about it.

some have been hoaxed into believing that once Ukrainians forces are exhausted, American soldiers will come in to replace them and “win the war”.   

https://twitter.com/MariaMateiciuc/stat ... 93984735?r

She went to a country in the middle of a war to visit friends, like it was some vacation? Who the hell does that? 

Sergei » 27 Feb 2024, 6:44 am » wrote: ↑

27 Feb 2024, 6:44 am

Sergei know
Now you know   

There is no such thing as Ukraine "winning" this war
shame on the media for continuing to lie about it.

some have been hoaxed into believing that once Ukrainians forces are exhausted, American soldiers will come in to replace them and “win the war”.   

https://twitter.com/MariaMateiciuc/stat ... 93984735?r

All we can do is make it very expensive on the Russians. And that's what we plan to do. 
 

Nobody gave the afghans a fighting chance against the Russians in the 80s either

Vegas » 27 Feb 2024, 1:50 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Feb 2024, 1:50 pm

She went to a country in the middle of a war to visit friends, like it was some vacation? Who the hell does that?

I remember watching videos last year of (what was reported as) the Ukrainian night life in full swing while there was supposedly a war raging just a few miles away.

It looked like they were clubbing on Broadway in downtown Nashville on New Year's Eve.

I've often wondered to myself whether there even are hostilities over there at all... or at least nothing worse than a border skirmish.

Add the wildly varying reports and it kind of gives you pause. One minute you see a story that says Ukraine has lost 15K during the entire conflict, and the next you see a story saying they lost that many on a single day... and then the same for the Russians.

It's impossible to know what to believe.


 

RedheadedStranger » 27 Feb 2024, 1:58 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Feb 2024, 1:58 pm

I remember watching videos last year of (what was reported as) the Ukrainian night life in full swing while there was supposedly a war raging just a few miles away.

It looked like they were clubbing on Broadway in downtown Nashville on New Year's Eve.

I've often wondered to myself whether there even are hostilities over there at all... or at least nothing worse than a border skirmish.

Add the wildly varying reports and it kind of gives you pause. One minute you see a story that says Ukraine has lost 15K during the entire conflict, and the next you see a story saying they lost that many on a single day... and then the same for the Russians.

It's impossible to know what to believe.

I agree. As I see it, the only way we will know for certain is after the war. Even then, we may get conflicting reports of who won. 

Vegas » 27 Feb 2024, 1:50 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Feb 2024, 1:50 pm

She went to a country in the middle of a war to visit friends, like it was some vacation? Who the hell does that?

Who?  Very very little war in W. Ukraine.  Ukraine is the largest by size country in Europe.
Walks the streets of Lviv, Lutsk, Rivne, Ternopil....500 miles from any fighting.  These
cities are operating as usual.  Easy to visit.  Lviv is just 30 miles Poland.

Putin could have gone Pissrael style and leveled everything.  Ended this war a year ago.
But he is a Christian man.

See Russia is not bombing apt buildings with kids and leveling cities.

Putin leaves that to Satans children....PISSRAEL
 

Sumela » 27 Feb 2024, 2:08 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Feb 2024, 2:08 pm

Who?  Very very little war in W. Ukraine.  Ukraine is the largest by size country in Europe.
Walks the streets of Lviv, Lutsk, Rivne, Ternopil....500 miles from any fighting.  These
cities are operating as usual.  Easy to visit.  Lviv is just 30 miles Poland.

Putin could have gone Pissrael style and leveled everything.  Ended this war a year ago.
But he is a Christian man.

See Russia is not bombing apt buildings with kids and leveling cities.

Putin leaves that to Satans children....PISSRAEL

I guess. But it just seems odd to me. 

Vegas » 27 Feb 2024, 2:09 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Feb 2024, 2:09 pm

I guess. But it just seems odd to me. 

learn to even out the odds humanity intellectually stacks against you where manmade facts are all you can use in a court of law.

Sergei » 27 Feb 2024, 6:44 am » wrote: ↑

27 Feb 2024, 6:44 am

Sergei know
Now you know   

There is no such thing as Ukraine "winning" this war
shame on the media for continuing to lie about it.

some have been hoaxed into believing that once Ukrainians forces are exhausted, American soldiers will come in to replace them and “win the war”.   

https://twitter.com/MariaMateiciuc/stat ... 93984735?r

3 years to fight a 3 day war and 400,000 dead...looks like no one is winning

Vegas » 27 Feb 2024, 2:01 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Feb 2024, 2:01 pm

I agree. As I see it, the only way we will know for certain is after the war. Even then, we may get conflicting reports of who won.

Cmon, its not that hard to know what is going on.

Dont let neocon cucks sway you into *** cuckism.

"""awww shucks its all just to hard to know for lil ole me - I know nuffin..."""

Ukraine is getting the **** kicked out of them.  
There have been three large city battles...Russia won them all.
Mariupol, Bakhmut, Akdeevka.  No ""aww shucks"" about this.
Facts.   

They are close to controlling 90,000 sq miles of Uke...how much
of Russia does Uke control?   News on both sides confirming for
months that Uke is low on MEN and AMMO.  Ukraine lost the
war a year ago...now they are just ....Weekend at Bernies....for as long as that can last.

See the Neocon cucks that are """awww shucks, I just dont know""" are really saying...
"I hate Russia.  I want Uke to win.  I know Russia will win.  Im butthurt"


 

Vegas » 27 Feb 2024, 2:09 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Feb 2024, 2:09 pm

I guess. But it just seems odd to me.

YT a walking video in Lviv.  Looks like normal days.

Odd that Putin isnt bombing W. Uke cities?

Or Odd that this person visited 500 miles from fighting?
 

Sumela » 27 Feb 2024, 2:21 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Feb 2024, 2:21 pm

YT a walking video in Lviv.  Looks like normal days.

Odd that Putin isnt bombing W. Uke cities?

Or Odd that this person visited 500 miles from fighting?

Od that anyone would go to a country who is at war on their own land.

Vegas » 27 Feb 2024, 2:24 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Feb 2024, 2:24 pm

Od that anyone would go to a country who is at war on their own land.

Its a big world my man.  Being American-Centric has its disadvantages in understanding the world.

For example the OP is based on Maria Mateiciuc visiting friends in Ukraine.
Mateiciuc is a Romanian name.  If she lives in Sighetu, Romania she could drive
to Rakhiv, Ukraine in 30 minutes....50 miles from the war front.
 

Sumela » 27 Feb 2024, 2:36 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Feb 2024, 2:36 pm

Its a big world my man.  Being American-Centric has its disadvantages in understanding the world.

For example the OP is based on Maria Mateiciuc visiting friends in Ukraine.
Mateiciuc is a Romanian name.  If she lives in Sighetu, Romania she could drive
to Rakhiv, Ukraine in 30 minutes....50 miles from the war front.
 

how is there only one world? Eternity isn't all that big confined to the moment here.

nefarious101 » 27 Feb 2024, 2:14 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Feb 2024, 2:14 pm

3 years to fight a 3 day war and 400,000 dead...looks like no one is winning

Sergei knows who is winning
Keep sending money
Sergei keep take it