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jerrab » 27 Feb 2024, 5:50 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Feb 2024, 5:50 pm

I don't mean as an independent. he is running for  the democratic nomination against biden.

way too late and completely out of reach

maineman » 27 Feb 2024, 6:01 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Feb 2024, 6:01 pm

way too late and completely out of reach

there  aren srill more states to gol if biden is nominated the commercials  will be non stop. I have seen her commercials. she is not necessarily a republican she just knows it is unfair to have boys compete agaimst girls. there is still time to stop biden from getting the nomination.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------Gaines also has been critical of President Joe Biden, a Democrat. Gaines had endorsed Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis for president in June 2023 when he was a candidate over former President Donald Trump, who is the clear Republican front-runner for the position this year. DeSantis’ campaign paid $11,700 to Gaines two months later in what it called “political strategy consulting” two months after the endorsement.

maineman » 27 Feb 2024, 6:00 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Feb 2024, 6:00 pm

Phillips is not even on the Maine primary ballot

the dnc blocks him. write him in.

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https://www.newsweek.com/riley-gaines-v ... sh-1856335

-Riley Gaines was just a child in 2010 when Democrats like Nancy Pelosi and Barbara Boxer were constantly accusing Republicans of waging a "war on women" due, primarily, to the GOP's objections to abortion, but the swimmer-turned-activist says the shoe is now on the other foot.Democrats, she tells Newsweek, are waging a war on women due to their adherence to what she sees as a transgender agenda, and she predicts it's an issue that will be front and center in 2024 as the presidential election shifts into high gear.

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this is really about biden.
 
 

maineman » 27 Feb 2024, 12:28 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Feb 2024, 12:28 pm

MAGA morons can't seem to grasp that there is a large swath of the electorate... starting someone up the right side slope of the bell curve and running all the way to the left... that cannot STAND Donald Trump and would, quite literally, vote for a yellow dog rather than vote for the orange clown.  

If you see one of the two options as being an existential threat to the future of the nation, the qualifications the other guy needs to win your vote are minimal.  Joe has done a good job. He has a competent staff and cabinet...and, most importantly, he is NOT Donald Trump.

America's economy led the entire world out of the COVID-driven recession.  Job growth is strong and sustained.  The stock market remains robust.  Interest rates are nowhere near what they were when GOP demigod Ron Reagan was in office.  Inflation is dropping.  

Biden may not be a great SPEAKER, but he is a good DECISION MAKER and that is the actual job of President.  The clown is not a good speaker or a good decision maker AND, unlike Joe, is an amoral, incurious, misogynistic, sociopathic fraudulent felon-to-be.

A couple of questions...

- What drives that "hatred" of Trump?

- What allows dismissing of very obvious metal decline of Biden?

My answer: Agenda driven propaganda.
What's your answer?

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I am asking in a serious way. Not a set up.
I can see dislike and being kind as rational stances but,
complete hatred and totally ignoring the elephant in the room?!

Seems a bit much without some actual reasons.

maineman » 27 Feb 2024, 6:01 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Feb 2024, 6:01 pm

way too late and completely out of reach

because of biden you get called names daily.

jerrab » 27 Feb 2024, 6:48 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Feb 2024, 6:48 pm

because of biden you get called names daily.

this isn't about me.  It's about saving our democracy.  If democrats wanted to replace Joe on the ticket in 2024, they should have started doing some serious fundraising and recruiting in 2021.   

maineman » 27 Feb 2024, 12:28 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Feb 2024, 12:28 pm

MAGA morons can't seem to grasp that there is a large swath of the electorate... starting someone up the right side slope of the bell curve and running all the way to the left... that cannot STAND Donald Trump and would, quite literally, vote for a yellow dog rather than vote for the orange clown.  

If you see one of the two options as being an existential threat to the future of the nation, the qualifications the other guy needs to win your vote are minimal.  Joe has done a good job. He has a competent staff and cabinet...and, most importantly, he is NOT Donald Trump.

America's economy led the entire world out of the COVID-driven recession.  Job growth is strong and sustained.  The stock market remains robust.  Interest rates are nowhere near what they were when GOP demigod Ron Reagan was in office.  Inflation is dropping.  

Biden may not be a great SPEAKER, but he is a good DECISION MAKER and that is the actual job of President.  The clown is not a good speaker or a good decision maker AND, unlike Joe, is an amoral, incurious, misogynistic, sociopathic fraudulent felon-to-be.

for God's sake look ar the world. gaza children dying everyday and biden wants to start **** in taiwan, I would say the world is fkd up,

maineman » 27 Feb 2024, 6:50 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Feb 2024, 6:50 pm

this isn't about me.  It's about saving our democracy.  If democrats wanted to replace Joe on the ticket in 2024, they should have started doing some serious fundraising and recruiting in 2021.

the dnc does not want to replace biden and that is about democracy. because of them we will have two of the worst candidates..... again,and they know trump will have a field day with the title 9 change and the transgender issues and this will just about guarantee trump's win, they counting on rvw to win but the changing title 9 to include boys will cancel that as a war on women advantage. as soon as biden gets the nomination then the constant ads will start.
and that could roll out a presidential win for trump and I do not want that.
 
 

DeezerShoove » 27 Feb 2024, 6:28 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Feb 2024, 6:28 pm

A couple of questions...

- What drives that "hatred" of Trump?

- What allows dismissing of very obvious metal decline of Biden?

My answer: Agenda driven propaganda.
What's your answer?

--
I am asking in a serious way. Not a set up.
I can see dislike and being kind as rational stances but,
complete hatred and totally ignoring the elephant in the room?!

Seems a bit much without some actual reasons.

I have been disgusted with Donald Trump since 1989 and his racist attacks on the Central Park 5... enhanced by his refusal to apologize to them in 2002 after their convictions were vacated... enhanced by his disrespect for one of my two main personal heroes, John McCain (USNA 58)... (the other being Ted WIlliams, who, thank God, Trump has been silent about) enhanced by his disrespect of several other senior military officers that I had long admired - BIll McRaven to name one... enhanced by "grab 'em by the ******"... and his totally amoral marital history... enhanced by his trashing of NATO, an organization I have worked with on numerous occasions and truly admire,  enhanced by his stealing of the Ginsberg SCOTUS seat.  I could go on and on and on and on.  There is literally NOTHING about the man that I like or even mildly admire.  He himself told us that he could shoot someone in the middle of fifth avenue and we wouldn't care.  I would care,   You SHOULD care.  His lawyers recently actually argued before a **** US court of law that he could send Seal Team Six to assassinate his politcal enemies and he would be immune from prosecution.  That appalls me and it SHOULD appall you as well.   Apparently, it doesn't.  THAT appalls me.

I disagree with you regarding Biden's mental decline.  I happen to believe that he has NEVER been known as an eloquent and polished speaker and has certainly slipped in that skill set over the years.  I know that if you were to listen to Donald Trump testifying before Congress in the early 90's, you would know he has slipped as well.  I also happen to believe that the real job of the president is not talking in front of the camera but in rapidly and effectively making decisions when there are no cameras in the room.  The actual really hard work of governance NEVER happens in front of a camera.  I have never been in the room with Joe as president, but I have read plenty of accounts from those folks who have and they ALL say that his decision-making skills are sharp, ethically based, and absolutely undiminished.  I don't care if he isn't an orator.  I care that he makes good decisions, and I am pleased as punch with nearly all of the big decisions he has made and with the legislative agenda he has attempted - with mixed success - to accomplish.

Did that sufficiently answer your questions?  I really do have some actual reasons.  You may not share them or value them as I do, but my position on Donald Trump is anything but irrational.

jerrab » 27 Feb 2024, 7:20 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Feb 2024, 7:20 pm

the dnc does not want to replace biden and that is about democracy. because of them we will have two of the worst candidates..... again,and they know trump will have a field day with the title 9 change and the transgender issues and this will just about guarantee trump's win, they counting on rvw to win but the changing title 9 to include boys will cancel that as a war on women advantage. as soon as biden gets the nomination then the constant ads will start.
and that could roll out a presidential win for trump and I do not want that.

I do not honestly believe that boys playing girls basketball will be the driving issue talked about at kitchen tables across America.  I think Jobs, Inflation, Climate change, Energy, AI, China, Gaza, Ukraine,  Immigration, Housing will crowd out the plaintive cries of the high school girls tennis squad.

YMMV

I know that we NEVER talk about scholastic sports at MY kitchen table, but maybe your house is different.

jerrab » 27 Feb 2024, 6:54 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Feb 2024, 6:54 pm

for God's sake look ar the world. gaza children dying everyday and biden wants to start **** in taiwan, I would say the world is fkd up,

If Gaza didn't want to have their children killed by Israelis, maybe they should have thought about them when they attacked all the Israeli kids attending the concert for Peace on October 7th.

The world certainly IS **** up and it has been since before I was born and will undoubtedly will be after  I am gone.  Joe is doing a good job leading with our values.

jerrab » 27 Feb 2024, 6:16 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Feb 2024, 6:16 pm

the dnc blocks him. write him in.

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https://www.newsweek.com/riley-gaines-v ... sh-1856335

-Riley Gaines was just a child in 2010 when Democrats like Nancy Pelosi and Barbara Boxer were constantly accusing Republicans of waging a "war on women" due, primarily, to the GOP's objections to abortion, but the swimmer-turned-activist says the shoe is now on the other foot.Democrats, she tells Newsweek, are waging a war on women due to their adherence to what she sees as a transgender agenda, and she predicts it's an issue that will be front and center in 2024 as the presidential election shifts into high gear.

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this is really about biden.

Sorry, I was never a fan of Don Quixote

Republicans better have thousands of lawyers on standby waiting at all the trouble spots where the *** like to ballot harvest. Detroit, Philadelphia, Phoenix, Atlanta and so on

maineman » 27 Feb 2024, 7:37 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Feb 2024, 7:37 pm

I do not honestly believe that boys playing girls basketball will be the driving issue talked about at kitchen tables across America.  I think Jobs, Inflation, Climate change, Energy, AI, China, Gaza, Ukraine,  Immigration, Housing will crowd out the plaintive cries of the high school girls tennis squad.

YMMV

I know that we NEVER talk about scholastic sports at MY kitchen table, but maybe your house is different.

girls lost scholarships and the boys physically attack them.
 

maineman » 27 Feb 2024, 7:40 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Feb 2024, 7:40 pm

If Gaza didn't want to have their children killed by Israelis, maybe they should have thought about them when they attacked all the Israeli kids attending the concert for Peace on October 7th.

The world certainly IS **** up and it has been since before I was born and will undoubtedly will be after  I am gone.  Joe is doing a good job leading with our values.

the children did not attack anyone. they told them to go south and they went south and they bombed them there. not my values. and not long before 10/7 biden blocked thir complaints at the security council.  

DeezerShoove » 27 Feb 2024, 6:28 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Feb 2024, 6:28 pm

A couple of questions...

- What drives that "hatred" of Trump?

- What allows dismissing of very obvious metal decline of Biden?

My answer: Agenda driven propaganda.
What's your answer?

--
I am asking in a serious way. Not a set up.
I can see dislike and being kind as rational stances but,
complete hatred and totally ignoring the elephant in the room?!

Seems a bit much without some actual reasons.

My friend this war is all about propaganda because the electorate is inundated with it ....
 
 

maineman » 27 Feb 2024, 7:26 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Feb 2024, 7:26 pm

I have been disgusted with Donald Trump since 1989 and his racist attacks on the Central Park 5... enhanced by his refusal to apologize to them in 2002 after their convictions were vacated... enhanced by his disrespect for one of my two main personal heroes, John McCain (USNA 58)... (the other being Ted WIlliams, who, thank God, Trump has been silent about) enhanced by his disrespect of several other senior military officers that I had long admired - BIll McRaven to name one... enhanced by "grab 'em by the ******"... and his totally amoral marital history... enhanced by his trashing of NATO, an organization I have worked with on numerous occasions and truly admire,  enhanced by his stealing of the Ginsberg SCOTUS seat.  I could go on and on and on and on.  There is literally NOTHING about the man that I like or even mildly admire.  He himself told us that he could shoot someone in the middle of fifth avenue and we wouldn't care.  I would care,   You SHOULD care.  His lawyers recently actually argued before a **** US court of law that he could send Seal Team Six to assassinate his politcal enemies and he would be immune from prosecution.  That appalls me and it SHOULD appall you as well.   Apparently, it doesn't.  THAT appalls me.

I disagree with you regarding Biden's mental decline.  I happen to believe that he has NEVER been known as an eloquent and polished speaker and has certainly slipped in that skill set over the years.  I know that if you were to listen to Donald Trump testifying before Congress in the early 90's, you would know he has slipped as well.  I also happen to believe that the real job of the president is not talking in front of the camera but in rapidly and effectively making decisions when there are no cameras in the room.  The actual really hard work of governance NEVER happens in front of a camera.  I have never been in the room with Joe as president, but I have read plenty of accounts from those folks who have and they ALL say that his decision-making skills are sharp, ethically based, and absolutely undiminished.  I don't care if he isn't an orator.  I care that he makes good decisions, and I am pleased as punch with nearly all of the big decisions he has made and with the legislative agenda he has attempted - with mixed success - to accomplish.

Did that sufficiently answer your questions?  I really do have some actual reasons.  You may not share them or value them as I do, but my position on Donald Trump is anything but irrational.

So, you (like most others) already disliked him prior to being president and allowed that to color any judgement of his performance in that particular role. As such you feel it necessary to broadcast those "feelings" and help keep that bandwagon running.
NATO has sucked money out of the US ungraciously for many years. His stance on that actually forced them into a comeuppance that increased their coffers (at no additional cost to us).
Biden: You say you disagree about his mental decline and very next sentence say he has "slipped". As a caveat to this "not mattering", you drag in someone you admittedly hate to point out his imperfections. Disingenuous blather at best.
The off-camera work that you say actually counts is really his team, not his razor-sharp political prowess, IMO. 

I'm as appalled about Trump as you seem to be about Biden's touchy-feely with children (including his own daughter).
Which is apparently not much.   

ps
You have answered sufficiently. Thank you for taking the time.

Majik » 27 Feb 2024, 8:10 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Feb 2024, 8:10 pm

My friend this war is all about propaganda because the electorate is inundated with it ....

Agreed.

maineman » 27 Feb 2024, 7:40 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Feb 2024, 7:40 pm

If Gaza didn't want to have their children killed by Israelis, maybe they should have thought about them when they attacked all the Israeli kids attending the concert for Peace on October 7th.

The world certainly IS **** up and it has been since before I was born and will undoubtedly will be after  I am gone.  Joe is doing a good job leading with our values.

biden added fuel to the fire before 10-7

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Apr 6, 2023 — The Biden administration blocked the UN Security Council from issuing a statement on the latest uptick in violence between Israelis and ...

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_ ... scalation/

The Biden administration blocked the UN Security Council from issuing a statement on the latest uptick in violence between Israelis and Palestinians, a senior Israeli official tells The Times of Israel.The Security Council held an emergency session today to discuss the recent violence in Jerusalem, and several members pushed for the top UN panel to issue a statement condemning Israel over the police beating of Muslim worshippers at Al-Aqsa on Monday night, according to a UN diplomat for a county on the panel.
 
 

jerrab » 27 Feb 2024, 8:13 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Feb 2024, 8:13 pm

biden added fuel to the fire before 10-7

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Apr 6, 2023 — The Biden administration blocked the UN Security Council from issuing a statement on the latest uptick in violence between Israelis and ...

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_ ... scalation/

The Biden administration blocked the UN Security Council from issuing a statement on the latest uptick in violence between Israelis and Palestinians, a senior Israeli official tells The Times of Israel.The Security Council held an emergency session today to discuss the recent violence in Jerusalem, and several members pushed for the top UN panel to issue a statement condemning Israel over the police beating of Muslim worshippers at Al-Aqsa on Monday night, according to a UN diplomat for a county on the panel.

Joe Biden did not force Hamas to invade Israel.  

If you think that Biden's blocking a security council resolution inflamed the situation in Gaza, it was NOTHING compared to Trump moving the US Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem in 2018.