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Vegas » 02 Mar 2024, 11:46 am » wrote: ↑

02 Mar 2024, 11:46 am

Yes, there were civilian casualties. Unfortunately, in war, that can't be avoided, but it can be minimized. Like I said, I am not saying that America is innocent. I am simply saying that we were able to remove the Taliban without leveling whole villages.

Yeah well our goal was not genocide. The goal of israel is genocide. And they just use the 'human sheilds' argument to obfuscate and deflect from that fact. Clearly Israel would benefit from genocide...they will never wind up making peace with Palestinians 
 

Vegas » 02 Mar 2024, 11:29 am » wrote: ↑

02 Mar 2024, 11:29 am

Here is a question that nobody will answer. After 9/11, we went into kill the Taliban. They also hid behind civilians and used women and children as shields.  No different. We sent in our marines to surgically remove the Taliban. We kicked in doors to kill the them, we didn't just level the whole **** village. Why can't Israel do that? We give them enough money and military backing, so they have the resources.

       Wars are not all fought the same.... Along with your enemy's capabilities, a huge factor in determining the tactics used is the terrain ----- and in the case between that of Gaza and Afghanistan, it could not be more different... The fighting in Afghanistan was far more rural, over an enormous sparsely populated area including mountain ranges.... With 148 people per square mile, 80% of Afghan's population live in these demographics...

       Gaza is essentially one massive densely populated city squeezed onto a tiny plot.... 15,600 people per square mile live in Gaza....

Vegas » 02 Mar 2024, 12:26 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Mar 2024, 12:26 pm

We don't know what life is like there, all we have is what we are told. I hear that the Gaza strip is an open air prison. Most of the water is polluted and the people can't do much without Israel harassing them at every turn. Hamas was voted into power in 2006. Then they banned elections. Therefore, the people haven't been able to vote for 18 years. I don't know why the people support Hamas. Maybe because they hate Israel worse. No different that over here how most Americans vote against a candidate, rather than for one.

Yep.  That's why I have very little pity for anyone but the kids there. 
The Palestinian people have CHOOSEN their hatred over their own well being.  

The fact is that there is some truth about it being an "open air prison".  But again, why don't their Arab neighbors help them? 
Because they are terrorists and they don't WANT that to spread into their countries. 
Twenty years in and BILLIONS of "aid", and nothing to show for it but a tunnel system

Israel supplies Gaza with electricity, food and water, because Hamas will not.  Hell, Hamas actually dug up water pipes to use them as launch tubes for their attacks on Israel. 
Imagine being that dependent upon someone you consider an existential threat to your lives?


 

FOS » 02 Mar 2024, 12:35 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Mar 2024, 12:35 pm

Yeah well our goal was not genocide. The goal of israel is genocide. And they just use the 'human sheilds' argument to obfuscate and deflect from that fact. Clearly Israel would benefit from genocide...they will never wind up making peace with Palestinians

Please explain:  If Israel's goal is genocide (which is absurd because Palestinians aren't a people) why don't they just level Gaza with air bombardment, and be done with it?
 

golfboy » 02 Mar 2024, 1:12 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Mar 2024, 1:12 pm

Yep.  That's why I have very little pity for anyone but the kids there. 
The Palestinian people have CHOOSEN their hatred over their own well being.  

The fact is that there is some truth about it being an "open air prison".  But again, why don't their Arab neighbors help them? 
Because they are terrorists and they don't WANT that to spread into their countries. 
Twenty years in and BILLIONS of "aid", and nothing to show for it but a tunnel system

Israel supplies Gaza with electricity, food and water, because Hamas will not.  Hell, Hamas actually dug up water pipes to use them as launch tubes for their attacks on Israel. 
Imagine being that dependent upon someone you consider an existential threat to your lives?

Palestine didn't randomly decide to hate Israel. It was the natural response to the nabka. Their Arab neighbors did attempt to help them...in fact a few wars were fought over it, which Israel won (with us aid). If you can understand why the Sioux were not great lovers of the usa, it should be easy to understand why Palestine doesn't like Israel.

nobody has ever just hated people for no reason. That is not human nature. Not even hitler...thr myth of Hitler, which is pure fiction, is the only reason you could believe that Palestinians just randomly decided to hate jews.

FOS » 02 Mar 2024, 11:39 am » wrote: ↑

02 Mar 2024, 11:39 am

So how would you tell the difference between a regular genocide and a 'human sheilds' situation? Just based on what some people say?

               How do you determine it's a Genocide of the Gazan Arabs?

               The conflict hasn't stopped the Gazans from breeding.... According to Unicef, since October 7th more than 20,000 live births have been recorded in the Gaza Strip.... And according to the "Hamas Ministry of Health" there's been 30,000 deaths (if that is even an accurate / truthful accounting) during such time.... That works out to a net loss of 10,000 people from a population of 2.1 Million over a 5 month period of time... 

Kobia2 » 02 Mar 2024, 1:18 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Mar 2024, 1:18 pm

               How do you determine it's a Genocide of the Gazan Arabs?

               The conflict hasn't stopped the Gazans from breeding.... According to Unicef, since October 7th more than 20,000 live births have been recorded in the Gaza Strip.... And according to the "Hamas Ministry of Health" there's been 30,000 deaths (if that is even an accurate / truthful accounting) during such time.... That works out to a net loss of 10,000 people from a population of 2.1 Million over a 5 month period of time... 

dude...there are no more hospitals in gaza. Food cannot be delivered to gaza. How do people survive that?
 

FOS » 02 Mar 2024, 1:17 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Mar 2024, 1:17 pm

Palestine didn't randomly decide to hate Israel. It was the natural response to the nabka. Their Arab neighbors did attempt to help them...in fact a few wars were fought over it, which Israel won (with us aid). If you can understand why the Sioux were not great lovers of the usa, it should be easy to understand why Palestine doesn't like Israel.


 

 
        The United States did not arm Israel in 1948 when it defeated 5 of their Arab neighbours who attacked them... Those weapons were mostly acquired  through Czechoslovakia, with some coming from Italy & Yugoslavia.. The Jews were also making some of their own weaponry by then, and private fund raising by Jews in America and other countries helped in the procurement of Arms.... 

        We did not begin indirectly help Arm the Israeli Forces until 1962

          

Kobia2 » 02 Mar 2024, 1:38 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Mar 2024, 1:38 pm

 
        The United States did not arm Israel in 1948 when it defeated 5 of their Arab neighbours who attacked them... Those weapons were mostly acquired  through Czechoslovakia, with some coming from Italy & Yugoslavia.. The Jews were also making some of their own weaponry by then, and private fund raising by Jews in America and other countries helped in the procurement of Arms.... 

        We did not begin indirectly help Arm the Israeli Forces until 1962

          

Actually that is fake history but it's also quite irrelevant. It is quite possible to lose a war and still hate the people who won...I'm a national socialist, for example. 
 

FOS » 02 Mar 2024, 1:36 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Mar 2024, 1:36 pm

dude...there are no more hospitals in gaza. Food cannot be delivered to gaza. How do people survive that?

            Hamas brought the war to the Hospital grounds by building & using tunnel networks under such complexes to store arms and launch attacks... We've seen Videos of these tunnels, missile launchers, arms dumps etc.. We've also seen video of Hamas Militants darting in & out of Hospital entrances to fire RPGs..   Do you believe the Terror Group Hamas bears any responsibility for what is happening in Gaza today? As for how do the people survive this, much of their suffering ends when Hamas surrenders.

Kobia2 » 02 Mar 2024, 1:53 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Mar 2024, 1:53 pm

            Hamas brought the war to the Hospital grounds by building & using tunnel networks under such complexes to store arms and launch attacks... We've seen Videos of these tunnels, missile launchers, arms dumps etc.. We've also seen video of Hamas Militants darting in & out of Hospital entrances to fire RPGs..   Do you believe the Terror Group Hamas bears any responsibility for what is happening in Gaza today? As for how do the people survive this, much of their suffering ends when Hamas surrenders.

No...hamas bears no responsibility. And all this news is just fake. Hamas had no base in the hospital. None of them. They didn't behead 40 infants. Etc. Jews just lie about this stuff.

Hamas has broad support from the palestinian people because they have always known Israel was going to kill them. They just prefer to die fighting. 

FOS » 02 Mar 2024, 1:50 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Mar 2024, 1:50 pm

Actually that is fake history but it's also quite irrelevant. It is quite possible to lose a war and still hate the people who won...I'm a national socialist, for example.

            Actually,
   It is factual.... Israel did not defeat 5 of their invading Arab neighbours in 1948 with Arms provided by the US Government.. Another fact you seem to evade that when countries (especially those who initiate them) are defeated in Wars, it is the Victor who dictates terms and draws boundaries, not the losers.... A Map of Europe prior to and then after WW1 and WW2 proves as much.. No one expects the loser to like the winner, that is what's irrelevant.. 

FOS » 02 Mar 2024, 1:57 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Mar 2024, 1:57 pm

No...hamas bears no responsibility. And all this news is just fake. Hamas had no base in the hospital. None of them. They didn't behead 40 infants. Etc. Jews just lie about this stuff.

Hamas has broad support from the palestinian people because they have always known Israel was going to kill them. They just prefer to die fighting.

          Hamas bears no responsibility?....... LOL

FOS » 02 Mar 2024, 1:57 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Mar 2024, 1:57 pm

No...hamas bears no responsibility. And all this news is just fake. Hamas had no base in the hospital. None of them. They didn't behead 40 infants. Etc. Jews just lie about this stuff.

Hamas has broad support from the palestinian people because they have always known Israel was going to kill them. They just prefer to die fighting.

You can't be serious

There's actual footage of this.

Are you say they didn't attack Israel at all?
 

BooRadley » 02 Mar 2024, 2:10 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Mar 2024, 2:10 pm

You can't be serious

There's actual footage of this.

Are you say they didn't attack Israel at all?

There isn't any footage of any hamas base in any hospital. Yes hamas attacked israel and good for them.
 

FOS » 02 Mar 2024, 2:22 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Mar 2024, 2:22 pm

There isn't any footage of any hamas base in any hospital. Yes hamas attacked israel and good for them.

There's footage of the aftermath of the 1400 people murdered by Hamas.
Babies with their heads cut off
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BooRadley » 02 Mar 2024, 2:24 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Mar 2024, 2:24 pm

There's footage of the aftermath of the 1400 people murdered by Hamas.
Babies with their heads cut off
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No there isnt.

FOS » 02 Mar 2024, 2:26 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Mar 2024, 2:26 pm

No there isnt.

There's many reporters from all over the world that has seen footage of the murders.

What next?

Are you going to claim these 1400 murders never happened?
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Kobia2 » 02 Mar 2024, 1:18 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Mar 2024, 1:18 pm

               How do you determine it's a Genocide of the Gazan Arabs?

               The conflict hasn't stopped the Gazans from breeding.... According to Unicef, since October 7th more than 20,000 live births have been recorded in the Gaza Strip.... And according to the "Hamas Ministry of Health" there's been 30,000 deaths (if that is even an accurate / truthful accounting) during such time.... That works out to a net loss of 10,000 people from a population of 2.1 Million over a 5 month period of time... 

they were pregnant before 10-7.and a lot of babies died.including new borns.

BooRadley » 02 Mar 2024, 2:29 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Mar 2024, 2:29 pm

There's many reporters from all over the world that has seen footage of the murders.

What next?

Are you going to claim these 1400 murders never happened?
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The 40 beheaded infants was a lie.

I don't know how many jews hamas killed...I wish it was 14 million. I don't care. The jews deserve it.