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ROG62 » 07 Mar 2024, 12:55 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Mar 2024, 12:55 pm

 

 
huh...

the whole world was in economic crisis during that time frame.  COVID and Ukraine wreaked havoc on the entire world.  Compare those cost increases that Americans experienced with ANY OTHER COUNTRY and then ask yourself, where would you rather have been living when the world's economy imploded OTHER than in the USA?

R.Suave » 07 Mar 2024, 9:03 am » wrote: ↑

07 Mar 2024, 9:03 am

They clearly aren't great at math, but they continue to spend....the point of the observation, actually.

'spending' isn't a problem, ****...EVERYTHING COSTS MORE
 

R.Suave » 07 Mar 2024, 9:41 am » wrote: ↑

07 Mar 2024, 9:41 am

Addressed, Buzzy.

nod...
 

maineman » 07 Mar 2024, 10:42 am » wrote: ↑

07 Mar 2024, 10:42 am

dueling graphs.  How droll.  

And when you consider that Biden inherited a global pandemic that, on election day, had no vaccine, I think he did quite well.  And by ANY measure, the USA has recovered better, stronger, and faster from COVID than any other industrialized first world country.

your argument gets destroyed and so now it's deflection time...feckless...
 

R.Suave » 07 Mar 2024, 11:05 am » wrote: ↑

07 Mar 2024, 11:05 am

"Data visualization"...

 

"We'll explain this to you."

run...

ROG62 » 07 Mar 2024, 1:06 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Mar 2024, 1:06 pm

your argument gets destroyed and so now it's deflection time...feckless...

what argument got destroyed?

Joe Biden led America out of the COVID pandemic faster, better, stronger than any other country on earth.

I ask you again, given the fact that inflation, while high in the USA, was higher EVERYWHERE else, where would YOU have preferred to live for the past three years?

maineman » 07 Mar 2024, 12:55 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Mar 2024, 12:55 pm

The first American got the vaccine in mid-December.  There was no vaccine available to the people on election day.  The people voted for a president while in the midst of a pandemic for which there was not yet a vaccine.  fact.  They chose Joe.  Joe did a great job, and America came out of COVID better, faster, stronger than any other country on the planet because of Joe's steady hand at the helm.

Now you're changing your story.  Why not just admit you lied...or as you like to spin it, mis-spoke.

It's not my fault you worded your comment poorly.
 

ROG62 » 07 Mar 2024, 12:59 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Mar 2024, 12:59 pm

'spending' isn't a problem, ****...EVERYTHING COSTS MORE

and name a time in America when anything cost less than it did four years earlier.

ConsRule » 07 Mar 2024, 1:15 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Mar 2024, 1:15 pm

Now you're changing your story.  Why not just admit you lied...or as you like to spin it, mis-spoke.

It's not my fault you worded your comment poorly.

where did I lie or misspeak?

Show me the line from any post of mine in this thread that is untrue.

I'll wait.

ROG62 » 07 Mar 2024, 12:55 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Mar 2024, 12:55 pm

 

 
huh...

One gives you graphs and therefore, context.

The other "mansplains it to the Sheeple"

maineman » 07 Mar 2024, 9:54 am » wrote: ↑

07 Mar 2024, 9:54 am

I paid less during the Obama administration than I did under Trump.  I paid less under the Clinton administration than I did under Bush.
Get my point?

You must have taken some illegal migrants into your house.....that was nice, at least now you can see how the economy is effected.

maineman » 07 Mar 2024, 1:15 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Mar 2024, 1:15 pm

and name a time in America when anything cost less than it did four years earlier.

That is the wrong question.  The issue is wages are not keeping up with inflation:


Although the inflation rate of increase is slowing down, it hasn't turned around completely. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), the inflation rate was 8.5% in 2022 and 3.2% in 2023. When inflation rises, people spend more on items like gas and everyday groceries.

The impact of inflation on an employee's pay is direct and substantial. When inflation is high, the elevated costs of goods and services erode the purchasing power of your income. To illustrate, if inflation climbs to 8% while your pay remains the same as when it was 4%, you effectively experience a 4% reduction in real wages. This means that every dollar spent to counter the surge in purchase costs represents a dollar that could have otherwise been allocated to savings or discretionary expenses. It becomes crucial for employees that their pay keeps pace with inflation to prevent a scenario where households struggle to meet the costs of essential items.

Inflation Raises: Employer's Guide To Wage Adjustments | Paychex

And

Inflation has been outpacing wages for several years. Currently, the BLS estimates that wage growth won't match inflation until some point in the fourth quarter of 2024. The gap between wage growth and inflation was at its widest in the third quarter of 2022; prices had jumped 12.8% since the start of 2021, while wages had climbed a smaller 9.1%, a 3.7-point gap.3

Inflation Raises: Employer's Guide To Wage Adjustments | Paychex
 
 

Huey » 07 Mar 2024, 1:54 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Mar 2024, 1:54 pm

That is the wrong question.  The issue is wages are not keeping up with inflation:

Although the inflation rate of increase is slowing down, it hasn't turned around completely. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), the inflation rate was 8.5% in 2022 and 3.2% in 2023. When inflation rises, people spend more on items like gas and everyday groceries.

The impact of inflation on an employee's pay is direct and substantial. When inflation is high, the elevated costs of goods and services erode the purchasing power of your income. To illustrate, if inflation climbs to 8% while your pay remains the same as when it was 4%, you effectively experience a 4% reduction in real wages. This means that every dollar spent to counter the surge in purchase costs represents a dollar that could have otherwise been allocated to savings or discretionary expenses. It becomes crucial for employees that their pay keeps pace with inflation to prevent a scenario where households struggle to meet the costs of essential items.

Inflation Raises: Employer's Guide To Wage Adjustments | Paychex

And

Inflation has been outpacing wages for several years. Currently, the BLS estimates that wage growth won't match inflation until some point in the fourth quarter of 2024. The gap between wage growth and inflation was at its widest in the third quarter of 2022; prices had jumped 12.8% since the start of 2021, while wages had climbed a smaller 9.1%, a 3.7-point gap.3

Inflation Raises: Employer's Guide To Wage Adjustments | Paychex

Here the data, with context.


 

ROG62 » 07 Mar 2024, 1:07 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Mar 2024, 1:07 pm

run...

You're every bit as **** stupid as he is..

Nod.
 

R.Suave » 07 Mar 2024, 2:07 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Mar 2024, 2:07 pm

Here the data, with context.

Um, I didn't post that wages growth was stagnant.  I posted that wage growth wasn't matching inflation.  


Inflation has been outpacing wages for several years. Currently, the BLS estimates that wage growth won't match inflation until some point in the fourth quarter of 2024.

 

Huey » 07 Mar 2024, 2:19 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Mar 2024, 2:19 pm

Um, I didn't post that wages growth was stagnant.  I posted that wage growth wasn't matching inflation.  

Inflation has been outpacing wages for several years. Currently, the BLS estimates that wage growth won't match inflation until some point in the fourth quarter of 2024.

It's wrong...as evidenced by the updated info.

Huey » 07 Mar 2024, 2:19 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Mar 2024, 2:19 pm

Um, I didn't post that wages growth was stagnant.  I posted that wage growth wasn't matching inflation.  

Inflation has been outpacing wages for several years. Currently, the BLS estimates that wage growth won't match inflation until some point in the fourth quarter of 2024.

If Real Wage growth is positive, wages are exceeding inflation.

Huey » 07 Mar 2024, 1:54 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Mar 2024, 1:54 pm

That is the wrong question.  The issue is wages are not keeping up with inflation:

Although the inflation rate of increase is slowing down, it hasn't turned around completely. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), the inflation rate was 8.5% in 2022 and 3.2% in 2023. When inflation rises, people spend more on items like gas and everyday groceries.

The impact of inflation on an employee's pay is direct and substantial. When inflation is high, the elevated costs of goods and services erode the purchasing power of your income. To illustrate, if inflation climbs to 8% while your pay remains the same as when it was 4%, you effectively experience a 4% reduction in real wages. This means that every dollar spent to counter the surge in purchase costs represents a dollar that could have otherwise been allocated to savings or discretionary expenses. It becomes crucial for employees that their pay keeps pace with inflation to prevent a scenario where households struggle to meet the costs of essential items.

Inflation Raises: Employer's Guide To Wage Adjustments | Paychex

And

Inflation has been outpacing wages for several years. Currently, the BLS estimates that wage growth won't match inflation until some point in the fourth quarter of 2024. The gap between wage growth and inflation was at its widest in the third quarter of 2022; prices had jumped 12.8% since the start of 2021, while wages had climbed a smaller 9.1%, a 3.7-point gap.3

Inflation Raises: Employer's Guide To Wage Adjustments | Paychex

what part of massive global pandemic that **** up the entire world's economy are you refusing to comprehend?

maineman » 07 Mar 2024, 2:28 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Mar 2024, 2:28 pm

what part of massive global pandemic that **** up the entire world's economy are you refusing to comprehend?

Toady demands consideration PRE jan 21, and laughs at the idea that any need be extended past that date.

maineman » 07 Mar 2024, 1:17 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Mar 2024, 1:17 pm

where did I lie or misspeak?

Show me the line from any post of mine in this thread that is untrue.

I'll wait.

You said, repeatedly, "...Biden inherited a global pandemic that, on election day, had no vaccine,..." (see post #49 in this thread for your first mention).  The fact is, per the NIH, the Moderna vaccine was in clinical trials as early as March 2020.  Hopefully you are smart enough to know you cannot start testing something...i.e. clinical trial...until after it is developed. Therefore your "no vaccine" comment was NOT TRUE.  There was a vaccine, it just had not received an EUA. Wording something poorly can be described as misspoken.

Addtionally, Biden didn't "inherit" anything until he took the oath of office on 1/20/21. So, when he actually "inherited" things the country was more than a month into having vaccines administered.  Even with the Trump Vaccines, there were still more COVID deaths under Biden than Trump.