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maineman » 03 Apr 2024, 5:53 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Apr 2024, 5:53 pm

Again...you continue to disingenuously conflate illegal immigrants with other non-citizens.  You are not a credible opponent.

My post had to do with non-citizens here legally and whether or not it made sense to allow them to have a voice in how their children are educated and how their property tax dollars are spent.

maineman » 03 Apr 2024, 5:53 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Apr 2024, 5:53 pm

Again...you continue to disingenuously conflate illegal immigrants with other non-citizens.  You are not a credible opponent.

My post had to do with non-citizens here legally and whether or not it made sense to allow them to have a voice in how their children are educated and how their property tax dollars are spent.

R.Suave » 04 Apr 2024, 6:35 am » wrote: ↑

04 Apr 2024, 6:35 am

Early morning meltdown.

Huey » 04 Apr 2024, 8:08 am » wrote: ↑

04 Apr 2024, 8:08 am

Not at all.  You wanted to talk about family so I obliged you.  Mighty nice of me.

R.Suave » 04 Apr 2024, 8:14 am » wrote: ↑

04 Apr 2024, 8:14 am

Clearly not....but I hit the mark, apparently.


 

 

jefftec » 04 Apr 2024, 8:01 am » wrote: ↑

04 Apr 2024, 8:01 am

…..just another scheme…..ship the “non-citizens” back to their place of origin if they are dissatisfied with their voting arrangements here.
​​​​….phuck ‘em, and Phuck Brandon too….

R.Suave » 04 Apr 2024, 6:39 am » wrote: ↑

04 Apr 2024, 6:39 am

No thoughts...

Bidencrimefamily » 04 Apr 2024, 1:25 am » wrote: ↑

04 Apr 2024, 1:25 am

We even though you won't admit it. You want Russia to run this country and want slavery to come back. Even though you won't admit it.

maineman » 03 Apr 2024, 3:00 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Apr 2024, 3:00 pm

I gave you the rationale.  

Here is a hypothetical:

Deere & Co., a multinational corporation with headquarters in Moline, Illinois, has large equipment manufacturing facilities all over the world - over 100 in total.  At, let's say, their plant in Mannheim, there is a young German engineer who has been lighting up the board with his management and technical skills.  The leadership team back in Moline sees a big future ahead of him.  They transfer him to the corporate headquarters and give him a high visibility/high responsibility position there and tell him he will be in Moline for four years, at which time, if he performs up to their expectations, they plan on sending him back to run the entire Deere & Co. operation in Germany - all eleven factories.  He brings his wife and school-age children.  He buys a home.  His children go to public schools.  His wife joins the PTA.  He pays property taxes.  He pays state income taxes.  He pays federal income taxes.  Do you think it is entirely unreasonable to think that he might like to vote on Moline, Illinois local issues that determine how his property taxes are spent and how the school department teaching his children is managed?  I do not think he should be able to vote in statewide elections or federal elections, but to not give him a say in how his own property tax dollars are spent to educate his own children seems unfair to me.

Your thoughts?

EDC4ALL! » 04 Apr 2024, 1:17 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Apr 2024, 1:17 pm

No. He's NOT a citizen. Don't like it? become a citizen. THEN he can vote in ANY election. Don't like it? Tough. Move back to Germany. What is so hard to understand? Why shouldn't he be able to vote in Federal elections? He pays State and Federal income taxes, and his wife joined the PTA, so......
And if he entered the US illegally, the arrest him and deport his criminal *** back to Germany.

maineman » 04 Apr 2024, 1:23 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Apr 2024, 1:23 pm

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

TTFN

maineman » 03 Apr 2024, 3:00 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Apr 2024, 3:00 pm

I gave you the rationale.  

Here is a hypothetical:

Deere & Co., a multinational corporation with headquarters in Moline, Illinois, has large equipment manufacturing facilities all over the world - over 100 in total.  At, let's say, their plant in Mannheim, there is a young German engineer who has been lighting up the board with his management and technical skills.  The leadership team back in Moline sees a big future ahead of him.  They transfer him to the corporate headquarters and give him a high visibility/high responsibility position there and tell him he will be in Moline for four years, at which time, if he performs up to their expectations, they plan on sending him back to run the entire Deere & Co. operation in Germany - all eleven factories.  He brings his wife and school-age children.  He buys a home.  His children go to public schools.  His wife joins the PTA.  He pays property taxes.  He pays state income taxes.  He pays federal income taxes.  Do you think it is entirely unreasonable to think that he might like to vote on Moline, Illinois local issues that determine how his property taxes are spent and how the school department teaching his children is managed?  I do not think he should be able to vote in statewide elections or federal elections, but to not give him a say in how his own property tax dollars are spent to educate his own children seems unfair to me.

Your thoughts?

Vegas » 04 Apr 2024, 9:08 am » wrote: ↑

04 Apr 2024, 9:08 am

You gave a meaningless comment, as always, so what would you expect in return?

R.Suave » 04 Apr 2024, 2:25 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Apr 2024, 2:25 pm

You gave a meaningless comment, as always, so what would you expect in return?

Writes itself.

R.Suave » 03 Apr 2024, 7:16 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Apr 2024, 7:16 pm

Worse than Buchanan.

EDC4ALL! » 04 Apr 2024, 2:19 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Apr 2024, 2:19 pm

It's funny how you created a scenario of an upstanding family man (German, so probably white), obviously highly educated, and has a kick *** job. You didn't say if he entered illegally. He's gonna be here at least 4 years. Is that possible? How long do visas go for. IDK. Using your logic, since he is paying taxes he should be able to vote locally. Why not State or Federal? How does one say you can do one, but not the other. That would be the next logical step, no?
Lets reverse things. Name me a country that I can move to, live in for 4 years, NOT become a citizen, and vote in ANY type of that countries election.

Huey » 04 Apr 2024, 2:23 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Apr 2024, 2:23 pm

Here is a hypothetical.

An employee of the US division Dynacorp is offered a job in Germany to work as a contractor on helicopters.  He lives on the economy, pays german taxes, send his kids to a german schools, and is going to live there at least 5 years.  He doesn't become a US Citizen.

He can't vote in GE elections because he is a non EU citizen.

EDC4ALL! » 04 Apr 2024, 2:34 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Apr 2024, 2:34 pm

Really? How so? What was so bad when Trump was President? What is so much better now with Biden as President?

maineman » 04 Apr 2024, 2:45 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Apr 2024, 2:45 pm

Multinational corporations have employees moving all around the globe all the time.  My nephew has been working for a corporation with offices in Singapore and that is where he has lived for the last three years.  I mentioned Deere & Co. because I am quite familiar with it and know of several foreign executives who did long stints at the Deere corporate offices as well as several American executives who spent years working at Deere plants overseas.  Are you surprised that Honda might want to have a high-level  Japanese executive run the large Honda manufacturing operation in the US?  

And the reason the theoretical German can't vote for federal offices is that the constitution states that only citizens can vote.  If the town charter of Moline, Illinois said that, then the German fellow would be out of luck.  But there is nothing in the constitution that forbids a city or town from expanding their definition for local elections.

And in answer to your question.  Here is a wikipedia article directly on point:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-citizen_suffrage

If you don't want to bother with it, the short summary answer is: a whole **** of countries allow non-citizens the right to vote in a variety of different elections, local, regional and national.

R.Suave » 04 Apr 2024, 3:08 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Apr 2024, 3:08 pm

Are you talking measurables or hyperbole?