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EDC4ALL! » 04 Apr 2024, 3:24 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Apr 2024, 3:24 pm

Just answer the question the best you can dummy.

There are few of the former in which we aren't considerably better off.

maineman » 04 Apr 2024, 2:50 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Apr 2024, 2:50 pm

and if he were in New Zealand for just one year, he could vote in EVERY election.

cool, huh?

No. It's not. They are idiots. They have an aging population and needs people. You also have to be a permanent resident. In other words, if your temp visa says that you have to leave by a certain date, then you can't vote.

maineman » 02 Apr 2024, 4:39 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Apr 2024, 4:39 pm

I don't want to have any non-US citizen  - legal or illegal - voting in any national or statewide election.  

At a local, municipal level, where a city or a town may have a large number of non-citizen residents, who may very well, for example, pay property taxes and may have children attending local schools that are funded by those taxes, I see a reasonable argument that would allow them to cast ballots in local municipal elections where the people who decide HOW those property taxes are spent and HOW those schools are administered are elected.  To not allow them to have a voice in how their tax dollars are spent is nothing less than taxation without representation, and, we, as Americans should be empathetic to that.

**** that.
They want representation, they go through a process that's already in place.
What the **** is wrong with you?

DeezerShoove » 04 Apr 2024, 9:45 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Apr 2024, 9:45 pm

**** that.
They want representation, they go through a process that's already in place.
What the **** is wrong with you?

I agree wholeheartedly.  And if totally legal, non-citizen residents convince towns and cities to allow them to vote on local issues as to how their tax dollars are spent or how their children are educated, then MAGA morons need to shut the **** up an and, instead, applaud Americans for their civic inclusiveness.

maineman » 04 Apr 2024, 10:00 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Apr 2024, 10:00 pm

I agree wholeheartedly.  And if totally legal, non-citizen residents convince towns and cities to allow them to vote on local issues as to how their tax dollars are spent or how their children are educated, then MAGA morons need to shut the **** up an and, instead, applaud Americans for their civic inclusiveness.

So, someone needs to "be convinced"?
In other words, it isn't legal for a non-citizen to vote.
That is exactly what I said "**** that" to...

Tough titty for those assholes that are arrogant enough to presume the right to vote simply because they have a job.
They want to vote? Go home and do so. **** 'em.

R. Suave » 04 Apr 2024, 3:25 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Apr 2024, 3:25 pm

There are few of the former in which we aren't considerably better off.

And it all arrived self inflicted from within this species performing as you are here now. Intellect is an induced energy created by the brain navigating living in a series parallel time frame adapting uniquely alive now.

Each lifetime's brain was the nucleus of their fertilized cell expanding as the central nervous system for the time they live birth to dead by however many rotations they evolve in so far specifically adapting as displaced genetically present socially following traditional beliefs.

Oops, you ignore how evolving happens evolving uniquely here yourself. Nobody else's fault but your own since your brain is always aware of your proportionate position adapting as displaced equally here.

any person defending who they rather be socially won't acknowledge all they been since equally arriving as a simple ever changing form adapting here now.

Personal responsibility vs group dedication at defying life is self evident. Eternal hell protected by rule of law. Academia, arts, economics, politics, religions, social consensus are the 6 sides to thinking beyond self contained to adapting equally alive now. time adapting so far is the moment here your body never duplicated the total sum achieved here. Forever adding details evolving changing everything left next, now. Eternity has a physical self evident form as a whole kinetic displace of the universe here now. You won't enjoy the view. I do.

I am the fruition of Nostradamus' "One Male" prophecy. Second coming or understanding living in plain sight, The antichrist suggesting liffe doesn't exceed adapting forward now, 12th Imam. Just a simple ancestral male adapting in my genetic time living uniquely here so far. Nothing supernatural about adapting as displaced since conceived to replace my previous 4 generation gaps amounting to 30 lifetimes in the last 170 years That provided 93.75% my unique DNA as they did my two siblings.

I have always provided the evidence in every post everyone calls gibberish to their factual ideas life isn't genetically self evident.

maineman » 04 Apr 2024, 2:50 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Apr 2024, 2:50 pm

and if he were in New Zealand for just one year, he could vote in EVERY election.

cool, huh?

But he is not.  He is here.  

Huey » 05 Apr 2024, 6:24 am » wrote: ↑

05 Apr 2024, 6:24 am

But he is not.  He is here.

and the point is:  in many municipalities in the United States, non-citizens can vote in local elections.    And that is not a bad thing despite many here who stubbornly want to claim that it is ILLEGAL immigrants who are voting even though they are not.

DeezerShoove » 04 Apr 2024, 11:38 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Apr 2024, 11:38 pm

So, someone needs to "be convinced"?
In other words, it isn't legal for a non-citizen to vote.
That is exactly what I said "**** that" to...

Tough titty for those assholes that are arrogant enough to presume the right to vote simply because they have a job.
They want to vote? Go home and do so. **** 'em.

In many local jurisdictions, they can.  No one is arrogant and no one is claiming a right to vote because of their lawful employment status.  Many of them have no desire to go home to their native country and are anxiously awaiting the immigration process to grind away so that they can become citizens.  You don't seem like you'd be a very civic-minded neighbor.  Tsk tsk.

maineman » 05 Apr 2024, 8:29 am » wrote: ↑

05 Apr 2024, 8:29 am

and the point is:  in many municipalities in the United States, non-citizens can vote in local elections.    And that is not a bad thing despite many here who stubbornly want to claim that it is ILLEGAL immigrants who are voting even though they are not.

It isn't many.  It is 17.  That is in the link  posted for you yesterday.  

Huey » 05 Apr 2024, 8:35 am » wrote: ↑

05 Apr 2024, 8:35 am

It isn't many.  It is 17.  That is in the link  posted for you yesterday.

I think that 17 is many.  Do you really want to argue about the specific meaning of a word that is, by design, non-specific?

My point was:  It happens.  There are places IN AMERICA where it is legal and it is NOT unconstitutional.  There is nothing UNAMERICAN or UNPATRIOTIC about giving local property taxpayers the right to determine how their tax dollars are spent. 

maineman » 05 Apr 2024, 9:48 am » wrote: ↑

05 Apr 2024, 9:48 am

I think that 17 is many.  Do you really want to argue about the specific meaning of a word that is, by design, non-specific?

My point was:  It happens.  There are places IN AMERICA where it is legal and it is NOT unconstitutional.  There is nothing UNAMERICAN or UNPATRIOTIC about giving local property taxpayers the right to determine how their tax dollars are spent.

17 out of 0ver 19,000 is not many.  It is 0.0894737% .

I didn't say it was unconstitutional.  If they want to vote enter the country legally and eventually become citizens.  There is nothing unpatriotic about that.  

 

maineman » 03 Apr 2024, 6:48 am » wrote: ↑

03 Apr 2024, 6:48 am

Show me where the Constitution prohibits towns from allowing all landowners to vote in local elections determining how property tax dollars are spent.

I'll wait.

 

You only want landowners to vote in local elections?  How patriotic of you. 

Huey » 05 Apr 2024, 10:04 am » wrote: ↑

05 Apr 2024, 10:04 am

You only want landowners to vote in local elections?  How patriotic of you.

are you being purposely obtuse or are you just stupid?  I didn't say or imply anything of the sort.

Huey » 05 Apr 2024, 10:03 am » wrote: ↑

05 Apr 2024, 10:03 am

17 out of 0ver 19,000 is not many.  It is 0.0894737% .

I didn't say it was unconstitutional.  If they want to vote enter the country legally and eventually become citizens.  There is nothing unpatriotic about that.

and there is nothing unconstitutional about them entering the country and getting a green card and paying taxes and raising kids and convincing their town to allow them to participate in local elections where the people who decide how to spend  their tax dollars are elected

maineman » 05 Apr 2024, 10:15 am » wrote: ↑

05 Apr 2024, 10:15 am

and there is nothing unconstitutional about them entering the country and getting a green card and paying taxes and raising kids and convincing their town to allow them to participate in local elections where the people who decide how to spend  their tax dollars are elected

I read your posts and the hyperbole is everywhere. I put in bold the dumbest part.

maineman » 05 Apr 2024, 10:15 am » wrote: ↑

05 Apr 2024, 10:15 am

and there is nothing unconstitutional about them entering the country and getting a green card and paying taxes and raising kids and convincing their town to allow them to participate in local elections where the people who decide how to spend  their tax dollars are elected

 

Well, only It is 0.0894737% of this countries 19,000 plus municipalities allow that.  They should move to one of those OR become a citizen.  

Huey » 05 Apr 2024, 10:40 am » wrote: ↑

05 Apr 2024, 10:40 am

Well, only It is 0.0894737% of this countries 19,000 plus municipalities allow that.  They should move to one of those OR become a citizen.

they should move or do a good job at convincing.

maineman » 05 Apr 2024, 8:33 am » wrote: ↑

05 Apr 2024, 8:33 am

In many local jurisdictions, they can.  No one is arrogant and no one is claiming a right to vote because of their lawful employment status.  Many of them have no desire to go home to their native country and are anxiously awaiting the immigration process to grind away so that they can become citizens.  You don't seem like you'd be a very civic-minded neighbor.  Tsk tsk.

**** them... as far as voting in my fellow citizens' elections.
When they become citizens... **** them.

Absolutely civic-minded.
I don't know what brand of civics you were taught.

maineman » 05 Apr 2024, 11:31 am » wrote: ↑

05 Apr 2024, 11:31 am

they should move or do a good job at convincing.

Whatever, Last Word.