Liberal Forum

Zeets2 » 12 Apr 2024, 1:33 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Apr 2024, 1:33 pm

Would YOU pay to feed, house, clothe, educate, guard and educate them?
Because I wouldn't, not when we have hundreds of thousands of veterans and homeless living on the street now!
Sounds like your plan would be the prelude to exterminate them in ovens too, am I right?
Now explain which of those programs I listed would take away the Constitutional rights of Americans as the Nazis did under Hitler?

Oh, but I forgot.
You DON'T like men in women's sports...
You DON'T like transgenderism taught to children...
You WANT abortion to be rare and limited to the first term....
You WANT the government to throw trillions of dollars at the hoax of "climate change" ...
You WANT more gun controls put on law abiding citizens,...
You SUPPORT the party that cuts the military drastically every ....
You SUPPORT the party that's been responsible to teach CRT and LBGTQ rights to young ....
And you SUPPORT the president who has a daughte....
Have I got all that correct?
Now let's examine your hatred for coal, shall we?
When China alone buys almost a million metric tons of coal a year, and the US consumes about half that much, you advocate for keeping the US from selling it to China, while also ending it's use in the US to be replaced by, what?  Inefficient windmills and solar panels?  Or are you just trying to claim that you think the market for US coal is as obsolete as the blacksmith, when it can be sold to at least a dozen countries that are now importing it?  Why don't you explain why you DON'T want the US to be a participant in selling coal at huge profits to those countries?

I daresay you wouldn't be able to find a similar number of policies that I disagree with Trump on as you clearly disagree with Biden and the Democrats but will happily overlook when you enter the voting booth!

And let's not also overlook the obvious:
You must LIKE high inflation
You must LIKE high gas and food prices
You must LIKE spending hundreds of billions to pay a corrupt Ukraine in their war
You must LIKE high interest rates
You must LIKE a feeble president who can barely walk or string two coherent sentences together
You must LIKE the two-tiered justice system he's given us
You must LIKE 10 million illegals entering through his open border
You must LIKE putting illegals in $300 a night hotels when our veterans and American homeless are living on the street
You must LIKE taxpayers being forced to pay off the loans for college students who refuse to
You must LIKE giving 10 million illegals free healthcare, free food, free clothing, free education, free transportation and a debit card with $1000 a month on it
You must LIKE the guy you voted for stealing classified documents and keeping them in at least 5 unsecured locations including his garage

Or are they simply just another dozen policies you're happy to ignore because you hate Trump sending out mean tweets?

maineman » 12 Apr 2024, 1:58 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Apr 2024, 1:58 pm

Zits:  

I explained the concept of the big tent to you.  Apparently, you're too **** stupid to grasp it.

I don't like any of those economic issues you listed, but I do know that COVID and Putin's invasion of Ukraine kicked the **** out of the entire world's economy.  And I know that there is no first world nation on this planet whose leader has done a better job than Joe Biden has in recovering from that one-two gut punch.

Now go hump someone else's leg.  I'm tired of you telling ME what I like.

BuckNaked » 12 Apr 2024, 1:51 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Apr 2024, 1:51 pm

Orange man bad

Zeets2 » 12 Apr 2024, 2:41 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Apr 2024, 2:41 pm

Agreed!
It's nothing but their lame mantra, just like Boxer the horse in Animal Farm.

maineman » 12 Apr 2024, 8:56 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Apr 2024, 8:56 pm

Zits:

Are you married?  Does your wife feel comfortable with a bunch of old white Republicans telling the women of Arizona that they no longer have bodily autonomy based upon a law from the Civil War era when Arizona was just a territory and women across the nation were not allowed to vote?

Look at what has happened in every single election and/or referendum since Dobbs.  The GOP has been clobbered by this issue and, even though those electoral defeats are right there for all to see, Alabama handed Democrats a huge GOTV issue with their idiotic IVF ruling, and THEN, Arizona Supreme Court Justices stood in a circle and had a firing squad for GOP hopes in that state.  HILARIOUS!!!

Democrats are breaking out the popcorn watching Kari Lake and Don the Con twist themselves in knots. 

maineman » 12 Apr 2024, 8:56 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Apr 2024, 8:56 pm

Zits:

Are you married?  Does your wife feel comfortable with a bunch of old white Republicans telling the women of Arizona that they no longer have bodily autonomy based upon a law from the Civil War era when Arizona was just a territory and women across the nation were not allowed to vote?

Look at what has happened in every single election and/or referendum since Dobbs.  The GOP has been clobbered by this issue and, even though those electoral defeats are right there for all to see, Alabama handed Democrats a huge GOTV issue with their idiotic IVF ruling, and THEN, Arizona Supreme Court Justices stood in a circle and had a firing squad for GOP hopes in that state.  HILARIOUS!!!

Democrats are breaking out the popcorn watching Kari Lake and Don the Con twist themselves in knots. 

BuckNaked » 13 Apr 2024, 6:02 am » wrote: ↑

13 Apr 2024, 6:02 am

I think trump can win without Arizona

Zeets2 » 13 Apr 2024, 8:45 am » wrote: ↑

13 Apr 2024, 8:45 am

Yup, been married to the same great woman for over 40 years.
And yes, my wife is very comfortable with letting the people of AZ and every other state choose for themselves what they want their state's abortion rights to be.
So enjoy your popcorn as you watch Trump win in a landslide and we'll laugh as you liberal idiots learn that the one issue that Biden slightly leads Trump on is nowhere near enough tp persuade voters to ignore the mess that a corrupt, senile pedophile like Biden has made of the overall economy, the inflation rate, the interest rates, the open border, the wars he's stupidly throwing hundreds of billions at, the two-tier justice system he directs, the attempts he's made to keep Trump off the ballot and have him thrown in jail on **** charges, the trillions he's throwing at the hoax of global warming, the humiliation that every American sees when this dildo can't walk up a flight of stairs, ride a bike, or put on a jacket, watching the gays and trannies he thinks are qualified to lead the country make idiots of themselves or construct a single coherent sentence without stuttering, mumbling, stammering, or spewing his daily lies while fondling children and women, which apparently you don't mind a bit, just like you couldn't care less about him being an incestuous pedophile who molested his own young daughter.
That's the scumbag you think is best suited to be president, isn't it?

All those things are clearly what ignorant Democrats like yourself think are just peachy as long as you don't have a federal law that supports the murder of babies.

And yet you wonder why your idiot is getting so badly trounced in the polls! 
The answer is simple.  You're a **** moron!

maineman » 13 Apr 2024, 8:49 am » wrote: ↑

13 Apr 2024, 8:49 am

that wasn't my question.  But nice dodge.

trounced?    

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/13/us/p ... -poll.html

Zeets2 » 13 Apr 2024, 9:04 am » wrote: ↑

13 Apr 2024, 9:04 am

How did I dodge your question, dickhead?
Didn't you ask if my wife was comfortable with Republicans with a lengthy list of qualifiers you made up regarding abortion rights, despite the fact that it was based on a completely false premise?  Use your head, stupid!  Since I've been married for over 40 years, wouldn't you assume my wife is over 60 years old as well?  So explain how she should be concerned about her own "bodily autonomy" because of the abortion policy that a state over 2000 miles away from us chooses to have?  How does that affect either one of us even the slightest?

And wasn't this my answer to your question?:
Yup, been married to the same great woman for over 40 years.
And yes, my wife is very comfortable with letting the people of AZ and every other state choose for themselves

maineman » 13 Apr 2024, 9:53 am » wrote: ↑

13 Apr 2024, 9:53 am

Hey Zits:

Are a handful of white republican judges the equivalent of the "People of Arizona" in your wife's - or your - opinion?

And as to how policies in other states affect you, I would simply point you to a great poem by John Donne, "No Man Is An Island"

Squatchman » 13 Apr 2024, 8:46 am » wrote: ↑

13 Apr 2024, 8:46 am

 He won't get Michigan either. Or probably any swing state for that matter.
​​You don't think this issue is going to only show up in a couple of states do you?
Trump takes credit for overturning Roe and has been recorded saying he would like a national abortion ban.
  See you in November!

Tempest62 » 13 Apr 2024, 11:49 am » wrote: ↑

13 Apr 2024, 11:49 am

It’s incredible how the hatred of slaughtering babies is a sickness held so dear with so many, even used as a political weapon with all the smugness and laughter of Satan to go with.

Sumela » 13 Apr 2024, 12:24 pm » wrote: ↑

13 Apr 2024, 12:24 pm

Dayyyum, yer hatred of America is creepy.  

You hate filled ***

 

Zeets2 » 13 Apr 2024, 10:18 am » wrote: ↑

13 Apr 2024, 10:18 am

Judges DO NOT make laws or policy, moron!
But YES, if they're white republican judges presiding over the determination of the constitutionality of a law, I have full confidence that I will agree with their decision, and so would my wife. They determine whether a law presented to them by the state or federal legislature is constitutional or not!

If the people of AZ or any other state don't like ANY current law, they have the freedom to remove those legislators and select new ones who will be more in tune with their preferences.  And if you happen to be on the wrong side of that majority, you need to either suck it up and accept it or move your dumb *** to another state where the people's opinions are closer to your own. 

Now if you're up to it, why don't you explain how my wife or myself living in NJ can possibly affect the choices of voters in a state 2000 miles away from me, or why we even SHOULD be able to?
So much for your "no man is an island" irrelevance!

maineman » 13 Apr 2024, 1:21 pm » wrote: ↑

13 Apr 2024, 1:21 pm

This law, banning nearly all abortions except to save the life of the mother, with no exceptions for rape or incest, was passed in 1864 before Arizona was even a state and over half a century BEFORE women ANYWHERE in America had the right to vote.  Here is an "honesty check":
You are honestly telling me you have full confidence that you and your wife do, in fact, agree with the Arizona Supreme Court decision to uphold that law OVER the 2022 bi-partisan law that permitted abortions up to 15 weeks?  

You could write a letter to the editor of a paper in Arizona.  You could send an email to the Arizona GOP headquarters. There are countless ways to make our voices heard.  If any one of us is in chains, none of us are truly free.  No man is an island.  If your wife won't speak up for her sisters in Arizona, she can't expect her sisters from New York or Pennsylvania to speak up on HER behalf ever in the future.

Remember another great poem, this one by Martin Niemöller:

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

maineman » 13 Apr 2024, 1:21 pm » wrote: ↑

13 Apr 2024, 1:21 pm

This law, banning nearly all abortions except to save the life of the mother, with no exceptions for rape or incest, was passed in 1864 before Arizona was even a state and over half a century BEFORE women ANYWHERE in America had the right to vote.  Here is an "honesty check":
You are honestly telling me you have full confidence that you and your wife do, in fact, agree with the Arizona Supreme Court decision to uphold that law OVER the 2022 bi-partisan law that permitted abortions up to 15 weeks?  

You could write a letter to the editor of a paper in Arizona.  You could send an email to the Arizona GOP headquarters. There are countless ways to make our voices heard.  If any one of us is in chains, none of us are truly free.  No man is an island.  If your wife won't speak up for her sisters in Arizona, she can't expect her sisters from New York or Pennsylvania to speak up on HER behalf ever in the future.

Remember another great poem, this one by Martin Niemöller:

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

Zeets2 » 13 Apr 2024, 1:36 pm » wrote: ↑

13 Apr 2024, 1:36 pm

Are you trying to tell me that you think the existing law in AZ won't be soon overturned without the help of a couple of voters in NJ?
Sorry, but I'm quite confident they don't need my help, and even if they fail to overturn it in the next election, why would myself and my wife be bothered since we're both pro-life?  If you want to go join in their fight, be my guest, fool!  I've got no problem with that because I believe in your 1st Amendment right to protest even under for the dumbest reasoning.

And my wife has no sisters in AZ, nor do either of us know personally a single person living there.
So yes Yes YES, we have full confidence in the AZ Supreme Court that will agree with the will of the voters and provide them with the abortion law that the voters want!  And if it changes nothing from the 1864 law that's now on the books, I'm fine with that too!  If you're not, and prefer mob rule to the vote of the majority, then YOU go fight it!
Can I make my position any clearer or are you purposely being overly obtuse?

maineman » 13 Apr 2024, 1:43 pm » wrote: ↑

13 Apr 2024, 1:43 pm

Zits:

Are you really this ignorant?

"YES, if they're white republican judges presiding over the determination of the constitutionality of a law, I have full confidence that I will agree with their decision, and so would my wife. They determine whether a law presented to them by the state or federal legislature is constitutional or not!"

your words.

Here are the facts:  The Arizona Supreme Court HAS ALREADY DECIDED ON THIS ISSUE and, when confronted with the 1864 law and the 2022 law which had been passed in the AZ legislature with a bipartisan vote, THEY  -  the white republican judges whom you have full confidence that you will AND DO support - ruled that the 1864 Law from the Civil War era Arizona territory, written without any input from any woman, took precedence.  You have already stated that YOU SUPPORT THAT!

And are you really going to be SO thick as to fail to address my argument about supporting our fellow citizens with the lame *** statement that your wife doesn't have any sisters in Arizona?