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R.Suave » 16 Apr 2024, 12:11 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Apr 2024, 12:11 pm

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamasu ... le/2813212
Postoperative Regret Among Transgender and Gender-Diverse Recipients of Gender-Affirming Surgery

I didn't dig into the findings but I am willing to bet that the majority, if not all, of the participants in your study were over the age of 18 at the time of "transition".

If you as an adult, elects to have his own nuts cut off because you think you're a woman then by all means, cut away... but leave the kids alone ya sick ****.
 
 

R.Suave » 16 Apr 2024, 12:22 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Apr 2024, 12:22 pm

The science.

Not from the Post.
 

 

The problem with the blurb is they are not clear on what group they actually studied.  Adults?

This rate of surgical regret among TGD patients appears to be substantially lower than rates of surgical regret following similar procedures among the broader population, including cisgender individuals.4 In fact, 1 systematic review found that the average prevalence of surgical regret was 14.4% among all research studies analyzed, which the authors suggested was relatively low.4 

R.Suave » 16 Apr 2024, 12:22 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Apr 2024, 12:22 pm

The science.

Not from the Post.
 

 

More on your study.  Again, in the summary, there is no indication those studied were teens.

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20231 ... rgery.aspx

Zeets2 » 16 Apr 2024, 10:26 am » wrote: ↑

16 Apr 2024, 10:26 am

1)ly the point!  You explain your position on current issues quite succinctly, that you're AGAINST every one of those policies I listed that are fully supported by Biden and your Democrat party, AND YET YOU STILL PLAN TO VOTE FOR BIDEN!  That is NOT, "lying about your position" as you claim!  It's stating the absurd illogic of your undying support for him DESPITE your claim to be against every one of those 5 issues that Biden has strongly promoted!  

When I was in school, I had a political science professor give the class a little experiment. There were two variants and I will discuss them.  The first was: you were to create a list of twenty issues that YOU felt were most critically important to the survival of our nation.  And then,  you had to prioritize/weight those from 20 at the top to 1 at the bottom. To the right would be a Democrat/Biden column followed by a Republican/Trump column.  Then you would go down the list and, at each issue, you would "check" either the D/B column or the R/T based upon which party/candidate more closely reflected YOUR personal views on that particular issue.... and you would award the weighted point value for that issue to that candidate.  The party/candidate that more closely captured YOUR personal views on the issue at the top of the list got 20 points.  The party/candidate that was more like you on the second to the top got 19, and so forth, all the way to the bottom of the list.   And once you got to the bottom, you'd run the tally and see, over the 20 issues that YOU felt were critical to the survival of America, which party was more closely acting on your behalf.

The second variant forced you to prioritize/weigh a pre-determined list of issues but other than that, the process was the same.

And Zits:  you need to listen to this very carefully and grasp its meaning.  

On MY list that I create for myself, "trans athletes competing in girl's sports", "drag queen show and tell in schools", and "gender reassignment surgery"  DO NOT MAKE MY TOP TWENTY.

In the second variant, if any of those three issues WERE on the list, they would occupy the bottom-most spots  on MY list

So you can scream at me in RED INK about trans issues until you need to buy a new ink cartridge, I am NOT going to make my decision about what party and what candidate I support to take this country into the future based upon any of them.

And just so you know, I have not actually created the entire list this year although I have on several previous occasions, but I think I can give you my top five right off the top of my head:

national defense and global alliances
protecting the environment and addressing climate change
women's reproductive rights
reining in the increasingly lopsided distribution of wealth
maintaining a strong safety net

In my list, Biden and the Democrats beat Trump and the Republicans on all of them, and those five alone total to be 90 points.  So I am not going to let Draq Queen Show and Tell make me vote against the party that stands where I stand on the issues that are most important to me, and I am not going to let you, Zits, paint me as some hypocrite because I don't creepily obsess about it like you do.

Let's see if you and I can make this post, the last time we have to enter any words into the keyboard in response to one another on the subject of Drag Queen Show and Tell.  Mmmmmmkay?

Pretty-please?
 
 

maineman » 16 Apr 2024, 1:34 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Apr 2024, 1:34 pm

On MY list that I create for myself, "trans athletes competing in girl's sports", "drag queen show and tell in schools", and "gender reassignment surgery"  DO NOT MAKE MY TOP TWENTY.

 

And that's the problem.

Those issues degrade society at its core... and when our society becomes rotten, the Country as a whole follows suit.

You say "you don't care" until that precious grandbaby of yours can legally tell your daughter to pound sand and go have her tits cut off at 14... which is where we're heading.

What good is defending a society that is rotten to the core?


 

maineman » 16 Apr 2024, 1:34 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Apr 2024, 1:34 pm

On MY list that I create for myself, "trans athletes competing in girl's sports", "drag queen show and tell in schools", and "gender reassignment surgery"  DO NOT MAKE MY TOP TWENTY.

In the second variant, if any of those three issues WERE on the list, they would occupy the bottom-most spots  on MY list

So you can scream at me in RED INK about trans issues until you need to buy a new ink cartridge, I am NOT going to make my decision about what party and what candidate I support to take this country into the future based upon any of them.

And just so you know, I have not actually created the entire list this year although I have on several previous occasions, but I think I can give you my top five right off the top of my head:

national defense and global alliances
protecting the environment and addressing climate change
women's reproductive rights
reining in the increasingly lopsided distribution of wealth
maintaining a strong safety net

In my list, Biden and the Democrats beat Trump and the Republicans on all of them, and those five alone total to be 90 points.  So I am not going to let Draq Queen Show and Tell make me vote against the party that stands where I stand on the issues that are most important to me, and I am not going to let you, Zits, paint me as some hypocrite because I don't creepily obsess about it like you do.

Let's see if you and I can make this post, the last time we have to enter any words into the keyboard in response to one another on the subject of Drag Queen Show and Tell.  Mmmmmmkay?

Pretty-please?

So what your saying is that

Biden's open border IS NOT on your list of the top 10 most important issues
The rampant crime IS NOT on your list of top 10 most important issues
Biden's mental dementia IS NOT on your list of top 10 most important issues
10 million illegal immigration IS NOT on your list of top 10 most important issues
Terrorism/National Security IS NOT on your list of top 10 most important issues
Healthcare IS NOT on your list of top 10 most important issues
Public Education IS NOT on your list of top 10 most important issues
High inflation rate IS NOT on your list of top 10 most important issues
High price of gas IS NOT on your list of top 10 most important issues
High price of food IS NOT on your list of top 10 most important issues
High interest rates ARE NOT on your list of top 10 most important issues
Ukraine war IS NOT on your list of top 10 most important issues
100,000 dead each year from fentanyl IS NOT on your list of top 10 most important issues
High taxes ARE NOT on your list of top 10 most important issues
The Economy IS NOT on your list of top 10 most important issues
Government spending IS NOT on your list of top 10 most important issues
Record high homelessness IS NOT on your list of top 10 most important issues
2nd Amendment rights ARE NOT on your list of top 10 most important issues
The high cost of housing IS NOT on your list of top 10 most important issues
Biden's molesting of his young daughter IS NOT on your list of top 10 most important issues

​​​​​​​Have I got that about right?  Because your list doesn't come close to what most voters in the country view as being important to them.
So go ahead and check off your preferences on #'s 6-10 and we'll get a far better idea of why you prefer Biden over Trump.
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I'm only asking to understand your logic, because I see nothing that you most strongly believe in relates to that of most voters.
 
 

maineman » 16 Apr 2024, 1:34 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Apr 2024, 1:34 pm

When I was in school, I had a political science professor give the class a little experiment. There were two variants and I will discuss them.  The first was: you were to create a list of twenty issues that YOU felt were most critically important to the survival of our nation.  And then,  you had to prioritize/weight those from 20 at the top to 1 at the bottom. To the right would be a Democrat/Biden column followed by a Republican/Trump column.  Then you would go down the list and, at each issue, you would "check" either the D/B column or the R/T based upon which party/candidate more closely reflected YOUR personal views on that particular issue.... and you would award the weighted point value for that issue to that candidate.  The party/candidate that more closely captured YOUR personal views on the issue at the top of the list got 20 points.  The party/candidate that was more like you on the second to the top got 19, and so forth, all the way to the bottom of the list.   And once you got to the bottom, you'd run the tally and see, over the 20 issues that YOU felt were critical to the survival of America, which party was more closely acting on your behalf.

The second variant forced you to prioritize/weigh a pre-determined list of issues but other than that, the process was the same.

And Zits:  you need to listen to this very carefully and grasp its meaning.  

On MY list that I create for myself, "trans athletes competing in girl's sports", "drag queen show and tell in schools", and "gender reassignment surgery"  DO NOT MAKE MY TOP TWENTY.

In the second variant, if any of those three issues WERE on the list, they would occupy the bottom-most spots  on MY list

So you can scream at me in RED INK about trans issues until you need to buy a new ink cartridge, I am NOT going to make my decision about what party and what candidate I support to take this country into the future based upon any of them.

And just so you know, I have not actually created the entire list this year although I have on several previous occasions, but I think I can give you my top five right off the top of my head:

national defense and global alliances
protecting the environment and addressing climate change
women's reproductive rights
reining in the increasingly lopsided distribution of wealth
maintaining a strong safety net

In my list, Biden and the Democrats beat Trump and the Republicans on all of them, and those five alone total to be 90 points.  So I am not going to let Draq Queen Show and Tell make me vote against the party that stands where I stand on the issues that are most important to me, and I am not going to let you, Zits, paint me as some hypocrite because I don't creepily obsess about it like you do.

Let's see if you and I can make this post, the last time we have to enter any words into the keyboard in response to one another on the subject of Drag Queen Show and Tell.  Mmmmmmkay?

Pretty-please?

of courae  boys in girls sports is not even on thelist because they don't want people  to express tneir feelings  about because  most people are dead set against it.
 

maineman » 16 Apr 2024, 1:34 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Apr 2024, 1:34 pm

On MY list that I create for myself, "trans athletes competing in girl's sports", "drag queen show and tell in schools", and "gender reassignment surgery"  DO NOT MAKE MY TOP TWENTY.

 

Neither do the millions of Illegal aliens who have flooded into the USA make your list YOU ILLEGAL ALIEN LOVING PIECE OF **** TRAITOR.


 

jerrab » 16 Apr 2024, 2:52 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Apr 2024, 2:52 pm

of courae  boys in girls sports is not even on thelist because they don't want people  to express tneir feelings  about because  most people are dead set against it.

"They", I was talking about MY list.   And, as I have stated over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.  I a dead set against it as well.  I am dead set against Daylight Savings Time.  I am dead set against the Designated Hitter.  I am dead set against catsup on hotdogs.  NONE of those issues are ones that I - ME - MY OWN PERSONAL LIST- I think are critical to the future of America.
Is that really so **** hard to understand? 

 
 

Zeets2 » 16 Apr 2024, 2:41 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Apr 2024, 2:41 pm

So what your saying is that

Biden's open border IS NOT on your list of the top 10 most important issues
The rampant crime IS NOT on your list of top 10 most important issues
Biden's mental dementia IS NOT on your list of top 10 most important issues
10 million illegal immigration IS NOT on your list of top 10 most important issues
Terrorism/National Security IS NOT on your list of top 10 most important issues
Healthcare IS NOT on your list of top 10 most important issues
Public Education IS NOT on your list of top 10 most important issues
High inflation rate IS NOT on your list of top 10 most important issues
High price of gas IS NOT on your list of top 10 most important issues
High price of food IS NOT on your list of top 10 most important issues
High interest rates ARE NOT on your list of top 10 most important issues
Ukraine war IS NOT on your list of top 10 most important issues
100,000 dead each year from fentanyl IS NOT on your list of top 10 most important issues
High taxes ARE NOT on your list of top 10 most important issues
The Economy IS NOT on your list of top 10 most important issues
Government spending IS NOT on your list of top 10 most important issues
Record high homelessness IS NOT on your list of top 10 most important issues
2nd Amendment rights ARE NOT on your list of top 10 most important issues
The high cost of housing IS NOT on your list of top 10 most important issues
Biden's molesting of his young daughter IS NOT on your list of top 10 most important issues

Have I got that about right?  Because your list doesn't come close to what most voters in the country view as being important to them.
So go ahead and check off your preferences on #'s 6-10 and we'll get a far better idea of why you prefer Biden over Trump.
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I'm only asking to understand your logic, because I see nothing that you most strongly believe in relates to that of most voters.

Do you have a reading comprehension issue?  Where did 10 get mentioned by me?  The exercise my professor gave me was to list my top 20 and then weigh them... and then to be forced to weigh 20 that were preselected.   DId you read my top five issues?  Imagine fifteen more like it.   Don't, instead try to imagine what the second five are.  Imagine 15. That was the drill.  ****. 

The economy and inflation are concerns, which is why am I glad to live in the nation on the planet that is recovering from COVID/Ukraine better than any other nation on earth, due to the leadership of Joe Biden.

The five I listed and that's all you'll get for now:

​​​​​​​national defense and global alliances
protecting the environment and addressing climate change
women's reproductive rights
reining in the increasingly lopsided distribution of wealth
maintaining a strong social safety net.

and even if the list were the top five hundred issues critically important to the future of our nation, trans athletes in girls' sports, or drag queen show and tell, or unsupported spurious allegations of Joe Biden's supposed molestation of his daughter would STILL NOT BE ON THE LIST!

maineman » 16 Apr 2024, 3:16 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Apr 2024, 3:16 pm

"They", I was talking about MY list.   And, as I have stated over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.  I a dead set against it as well.  I am dead set against Daylight Savings Time.  I am dead set against the Designated Hitter.  I am dead set against catsup on hotdogs.  NONE of those issues are ones that I - ME - MY OWN PERSONAL LIST- I think are critical to the future of America.
Is that really so **** hard to understand?

those issues are not ever on any poll.

do you think I care what is in your top  twenty?
 
 

maineman » 16 Apr 2024, 3:28 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Apr 2024, 3:28 pm

Do you have a reading comprehension issue?  Where did 10 get mentioned by me?  The exercise my professor gave me was to list my top 20 and then weigh them... and then to be forced to weigh 20 that were preselected.   DId you read my top five issues?  Imagine fifteen more like it.   Don't, instead try to imagine what the second five are.  Imagine 15. That was the drill.  ****. 

The economy and inflation are concerns, which is why am I glad to live in the nation on the planet that is recovering from COVID/Ukraine better than any other nation on earth, due to the leadership of Joe Biden.

The five I listed and that's all you'll get for now:

national defense and global alliances
protecting the environment and addressing climate change
women's reproductive rights
reining in the increasingly lopsided distribution of wealth
maintaining a strong social safety net.

and even if the list were the top five hundred issues critically important to the future of our nation, trans athletes in girls' sports, or drag queen show and tell, or unsupported spurious allegations of Joe Biden's supposed molestation of his daughter would STILL NOT BE ON THE LIST!

don't say that no one else should care because they are not in YOUR  top  twenty.

Zeets2 » 16 Apr 2024, 2:41 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Apr 2024, 2:41 pm

  Because your list doesn't come close to what most voters in the country view as being important to them.

And Zits, or should I just call you "Pimpleface" instead?

As an aside, I live in a very active 55+ condo community with lots of get-togethers, mixers, and happy hours.  Politics comes up fairly often and there's a pretty even split between Democrats, Independents, and Republicans.  I can tell you that, in the time I have been here, trans athletes competing in girls sports, or Drag Queen show and tell have not BEEN MENTIONED BY ONE PERSON EVER!    I think you have some issues lurking in YOUR closet and you should probably let them see the light of day.

jerrab » 16 Apr 2024, 3:32 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Apr 2024, 3:32 pm

don't say that no one else should care because they are not in YOUR  top  twenty.

where did I say that?  Is English your second language?

maineman » 16 Apr 2024, 3:37 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Apr 2024, 3:37 pm

where did I say that?  Is English your second language?

english nust be your 3rd language.

your post--------------"They", I was talking about MY list.   And, as I have stated over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.  I a dead set against it as well.  I am dead set against Daylight Savings Time.  I am dead set against the Designated Hitter.  I am dead set against catsup on hotdogs.  NONE of those issues are ones that I - ME - MY OWN PERSONAL LIST- I think are critical to the future of America.
Is that really so **** hard to understand? 

maineman » 16 Apr 2024, 3:36 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Apr 2024, 3:36 pm

And Zits, or should I just call you "Pimpleface" instead?

 

I remember when you used to get furious whenever I would call you "Admiral" or "Popeye"... but now you don't seem to have a problem doing the same thing to others yourself.

Hypocrite 

LOL

 

j » 16 Apr 2024, 3:40 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Apr 2024, 3:40 pm

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maineman » 16 Apr 2024, 3:16 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Apr 2024, 3:16 pm

"They", I was talking about MY list.   And, as I have stated over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.  I a dead set against it as well.  I am dead set against Daylight Savings Time.  I am dead set against the Designated Hitter.  I am dead set against catsup on hotdogs.  NONE of those issues are ones that I - ME - MY OWN PERSONAL LIST- I think are critical to the future of America.
Is that really so **** hard to understand?

you would equate  ketchup on hotdogs to the unfair practice of boys competing against girls.

jerrab » 16 Apr 2024, 2:52 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Apr 2024, 2:52 pm

of courae  boys in girls sports is not even on thelist because they don't want people  to express tneir feelings  about because  most people are dead set against it.

This post of yours is in response to one of mine. which was my recounting of a poly-sci class experiment from college. The professor asked us to create our own top 20 and rank them in importance and he produced another list, that he had made and we had to rank them  

In my previous post that your post above is responding to, I never list all the issues that are on MY list, only the top five off the top of my head, and I don't list ANY issues that are on the other hypothetical list that "THEY" would produce.  I did say, that if THEIR list had any of the transgender issues that you folks are so creepily obsessed about on it, I would put them at the bottom of my ranking of THEIR list.

This has to be hard for someone with three 21's, eh?

jerrab » 16 Apr 2024, 3:44 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Apr 2024, 3:44 pm

you would equate  ketchup on hotdogs to the unfair practice of boys competing against girls.

where do I say that?  I only say that neither of them would make my top twenty.  that does not in any way, imply equality between them.

three 21's.  That's your new nickname.