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I can't think of one rich person who didn't have a head start before they accumulated their wealth.

• I admire Bezos mother, who was dirt poor with her children. However, she ended up marrying a Cuban refugee who had a very successful career in finance. He lent Jeff 245k to start Amazon. Therefore, Jeff himself was not a rags to riches story. His father's story was also admirable. He came from Cuba with nothing more than a ragged jacket. No family. Nothing.  Literally rags. So what happened? Well...taxpayers happened. The refugee camp sent him through high school with a place to stay. He worked his *** off, and I admire him. I certainly wouldn't want to experience his conditions. Nevertheless, hadn't it been for the taxpayers, he would have stayed homeless. His mother would still be poor and they would have never been able to give Jeff 245k. 
• Gates has always been rich.
• Musk's father owned an emerald mine. 
• Jobs came from a middle class family. 

Etc....

 

Quick internet answer:

Less Self-Made Millionaires Than Expected
The most surprising revelation from the survey was the following information: Only 27% of respondents claimed to be self-made (with over $3 million)! In the context of the survey, being self-made referred to individuals with a middle-class or poor upbringing and no inheritance.Jan 7, 2024

Fuelman » 10 May 2024, 9:49 am » wrote: ↑

10 May 2024, 9:49 am

Quick internet answer:

Less Self-Made Millionaires Than Expected
The most surprising revelation from the survey was the following information: Only 27% of respondents claimed to be self-made (with over $3 million)! In the context of the survey, being self-made referred to individuals with a middle-class or poor upbringing and no inheritance.Jan 7, 2024

I doubt that 27% was even really self made. There are other influences that contributed to their success that they may have been unaware of. 

Vegas » 10 May 2024, 10:00 am » wrote: ↑

10 May 2024, 10:00 am

I doubt that 27% was even really self made. There are other influences that contributed to their success that they may have been unaware of.

You sound like Obams with his infamous...
"you didn't build it" statement.

Nowadays the most incredible R to R and back to R stories are the Black athletes that earn 100 million dollars during their careers yet end up living under overpasses
I believe the NFL and NBA are trying to do a better job of baby sitting their Pet ****** lack of forward thinking ability and impulse control.


 

RebelGator » 10 May 2024, 10:25 am » wrote: ↑

10 May 2024, 10:25 am

You sound like Obams with his infamous...
"you didn't build it" statement.

You sound like you love to slurp on Jewish knobs. 

All I am saying is that you can't get ahead or become rich without some help somewhere. 

Vegas » 10 May 2024, 10:27 am » wrote: ↑

10 May 2024, 10:27 am

You sound like you love to slurp on Jewish knobs. 

All I am saying is that you can't get ahead or become rich without some help somewhere.

You sound irritated,  how long since you've maimed a Jew?  

RebelGator » 10 May 2024, 10:29 am » wrote: ↑

10 May 2024, 10:29 am

You sound irritated,  how long since you've maimed a Jew?

I would never maime anyone. 

I am not irritated. I have a habit of returning stupid comments with insults. It's just more fun. 

Vegas » 10 May 2024, 9:27 am » wrote: ↑

10 May 2024, 9:27 am

I can't think of one rich person who didn't have a head start before they accumulated their wealth.

• I admire Bezos mother, who was dirt poor with her children. However, she ended up marrying a Cuban refugee who had a very successful career in finance. He lent Jeff 245k to start Amazon. Therefore, Jeff himself was not a rags to riches story. His father's story was also admirable. He came from Cuba with nothing more than a ragged jacket. No family. Nothing.  Literally rags. So what happened? Well...taxpayers happened. The refugee camp sent him through high school with a place to stay. He worked his *** off, and I admire him. I certainly wouldn't want to experience his conditions. Nevertheless, hadn't it been for the taxpayers, he would have stayed homeless. His mother would still be poor and they would have never been able to give Jeff 245k. 
• Gates has always been rich.
• Musk's father owned an emerald mine. 
• Jobs came from a middle class family. 

Etc....

"Riches" is subjective to an individual's interpretation. 

I worked with a guy back in the late 80's that didn't have a pot to piss in at the time that ended up founding two pretty successful small businesses and selling both of them at the height of their worth for several million each before he was 40.

Another fella I went to HS with got into computer programming in the early 80's and ended up retiring from a State job as the head of the IT dept before he was 50 and then started consulting for about $200 an hour after.

Did they become Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos "rich"? 

Not at all, but they still started with **** and ended up in very good financial shape later in life. It definitely happens... it just depends on your definition of "riches".

 
 

NOPE! i suspect a push from relatives. where did Zuckerberg come from. I know his story BUT?

Vegas » 10 May 2024, 9:27 am » wrote: ↑

10 May 2024, 9:27 am

I can't think of one rich person who didn't have a head start before they accumulated their wealth.

• I admire Bezos mother, who was dirt poor with her children. However, she ended up marrying a Cuban refugee who had a very successful career in finance. He lent Jeff 245k to start Amazon. Therefore, Jeff himself was not a rags to riches story. His father's story was also admirable. He came from Cuba with nothing more than a ragged jacket. No family. Nothing.  Literally rags. So what happened? Well...taxpayers happened. The refugee camp sent him through high school with a place to stay. He worked his *** off, and I admire him. I certainly wouldn't want to experience his conditions. Nevertheless, hadn't it been for the taxpayers, he would have stayed homeless. His mother would still be poor and they would have never been able to give Jeff 245k. 
• Gates has always been rich.
• Musk's father owned an emerald mine. 
• Jobs came from a middle class family. 

Etc....

 

all the time economics controls human behavior every generation believing now isn't eternity. Most people fall prey to their own predatory instinctive behavior starting out as sibling rivalry growing into any institutional ideologies they commit into staying in character cradle to grave.

Once corrupted into believing now isn't eternity rule of law prevents anyone any generation gap from changing their mind.

any ancestor doing so will face constant ridicule, shunning, exile, economic ruin, economic boycott, prison, execution, no mercy..

*rippy38 » 10 May 2024, 10:52 am » wrote: ↑

10 May 2024, 10:52 am

"Riches" is subjective to an individual's interpretation. 

I worked with a guy back in the late 80's that didn't have a pot to piss in at the time that ended up founding two pretty successful small businesses and selling both of them at the height of their worth for several million each before he was 40.

Another fella I went to HS with got into computer programming in the early 80's and ended up retiring from a State job as the head of the IT dept before he was 50 and then started consulting for about $200 an hour after.

Did they become Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos "rich"? 

Not at all, but they still started with **** and ended up in very good financial shape later in life. It definitely happens... it just depends on your definition of "riches".

There are certain outside influences that make the difference. Influences that we didn't earn nor were we entitled to. I don't know all of that guy's circumstance, but I am confident he still had more than a pot to piss in. 

Vegas » 10 May 2024, 11:37 am » wrote: ↑

10 May 2024, 11:37 am

There are certain outside influences that make the difference. Influences that we didn't earn nor were we entitled to. I don't know all of that guy's circumstance, but I am confident he still had more than a pot to piss in.

I'm sure it was his white privilege.

*rippy38 » 10 May 2024, 11:38 am » wrote: ↑

10 May 2024, 11:38 am

I'm sure it was his white privilege.

The privilege of white light is it contains all the bandwidths of every color spectrum possible except black as it is an absence of reflecting any color. Now if you dare think, the so called black holes in space aren't holes, they are a section of space that doesn't reflect anything from every angle outside of it.

*rippy38 » 10 May 2024, 11:38 am » wrote: ↑

10 May 2024, 11:38 am

I'm sure it was his white privilege.

Vegas is now the metamorphosis of Slideman.... without the Kosher.

*rippy38 » 10 May 2024, 11:38 am » wrote: ↑

10 May 2024, 11:38 am

I'm sure it was his white privilege.

Lol. I doubt that. You said you knew him from school. He had to learn to read/write and do some math somewhere. It's unlikely he could become successful with being illiterate and not even knowing basic math. Taxpayers covered that. 

Vegas » 10 May 2024, 9:27 am » wrote: ↑

10 May 2024, 9:27 am

I can't think of one rich person who didn't have a head start before they accumulated their wealth.

• I admire Bezos mother, who was dirt poor with her children. However, she ended up marrying a Cuban refugee who had a very successful career in finance. He lent Jeff 245k to start Amazon. Therefore, Jeff himself was not a rags to riches story. His father's story was also admirable. He came from Cuba with nothing more than a ragged jacket. No family. Nothing.  Literally rags. So what happened? Well...taxpayers happened. The refugee camp sent him through high school with a place to stay. He worked his *** off, and I admire him. I certainly wouldn't want to experience his conditions. Nevertheless, hadn't it been for the taxpayers, he would have stayed homeless. His mother would still be poor and they would have never been able to give Jeff 245k. 
• Gates has always been rich.
• Musk's father owned an emerald mine. 
• Jobs came from a middle class family. 

Etc....

Yes, I’ve witnessed such cases for myself. Several (7+) friends of parents have 8 figures+ and came from poor backgrounds. 8 figures is “barely rich” these days but still far better off than 99% of people. 

Some examples of wealthy people who did make it on their own and didn’t have a nest egg: Yvon Chouinard, Rowling, Jack Ma, Dolly Parton  


Success is a mix of intelligence, persistence, luck, charisma, and some level of sociopathy (willingness to screw over some 2nd or 3rd party) to get ahead. 

How you want to order those in terms of importance is up to you… 

Vegas » 10 May 2024, 11:44 am » wrote: ↑

10 May 2024, 11:44 am

Lol. I doubt that. You said you knew him from school. He had to learn to read/write and do some math somewhere. It's unlikely he could become successful with being illiterate and not even knowing basic math. Taxpayers covered that.

Attending tax payer funded public school wasn't an "advantage"... at least not when and where I attended it.

I would say that in both of the cases I mentioned, IQ was the biggest factor, and that's God given... not left to you by your rich grandfather. Lol
 

*rippy38 » 10 May 2024, 12:18 pm » wrote: ↑

10 May 2024, 12:18 pm

Attending tax payer funded public school wasn't an "advantage"... at least not when and where I attended it.

I would say that in both of the cases I mentioned, IQ was the biggest factor, and that's God given... not left to you by your rich grandfather. Lol

Definitely IQ. You definitely still have to be smart enough to guide the sail through the rough waters. However, an initial wind needs to come to get it started. We have no control over receiving the wind. If we get it, then it's up to us to navigate. Without the wind, it doesn't matter how smart you are.

*rippy38 » 10 May 2024, 12:18 pm » wrote: ↑

10 May 2024, 12:18 pm

 IQ was the biggest factor, and that's God given... not left to you by your rich grandfather. Lol

Good morning Rippy.

Where White Privilege exists in abundance is with the IQ that we inherit from our ancestors.