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Here's a good article from Forbes that explains things for folks light on legal training:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurk ... cd6782af1e

Fuelman » 01 Jun 2024, 6:48 am » wrote: ↑

01 Jun 2024, 6:48 am

Heard a good one yesterday, for every crime an illegal commits, charge Biden as an accomplice!

       Yea- Pile on the legal cases against him.
There IS a ton on him, with the influence he was selling. what IS taking so long!!
That's the only thing that will teach them a lesson or else they WILL keep doing it. 
 

maineman » 31 May 2024, 3:12 pm » wrote: ↑

31 May 2024, 3:12 pm

The New York case was not a federal crime.  It was tried by the Manhattan District Attorney, not the US Attorney.

And the statute of limitations was extended because the underlying crime that the record falsification was designed to cover was ongoing.

WRONG!
That "underlying crime" that was invented they claim was raised to a felony because the listing of that payment was determined by that biased jury to have been intentionally listed that way because Trump INTENDED for it to interfere with the 2016 election, which had ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED!

It was total ****, you KNOW it was total ****, and yet you dance around cheering like an idiot with no concern whatsoever for the US criminal justice system to become no different than that of any tin-pot dictatorship!  Such blatant disregard for the US Constitution and particularly Trump's rights under the 6th Amendment make the appeal a slam dunk for Trump and even this corrupt judge and DA KNEW IT, but that was never the point of their witch hunt.  They got exactly what they were looking for, and that was the ability to call Trump a convicted felon in the lead up to the election, knowing full well that the case could not likely be brought before the Appellate court or the Supreme Court before the election. 

Since you Democrats here have shown no concern whatsoever about how the laws were changed for the sole purpose of "getting Trump", every one of you have displayed a disgusting hatred for the rule of law and you have embraced the communist mantra of how the end justifies the means, just as it did for Trotsky, Lenin, Marx, and now Biden, and shor-sighted morons like you who refuse to even contemplate how much damage you've just done to the country you obviously all despise. 
 

sootedupCyndi » 01 Jun 2024, 7:59 am » wrote: ↑

01 Jun 2024, 7:59 am

       Yea- Pile on the legal cases against him.
There IS a ton on him, with the influence he was selling. what IS taking so long!!
That's the only thing that will teach them a lesson or else they WILL keep doing it.

I sincerely hope that the delay may be because Republican DAs and prosecutors in red states may be choosing to wait to see the revelations forthcoming from the Hunter Biden trial this coming week, where every scrap of his and his daddy's corruption will be revealed for the public to see the crimes exposed on his laptop, which has already been permitted to be entered as evidence.  At the very least, it will expose the two-tiered justice system and the weaponization of several entire departments that Joe Biden has directed.

With Biden's crimes revealed to the country, the campaign will be deemed as a convicted felon running against an unconvicted felon.  And the country as a whole will recognize it for exactly what it is.  But I still hold out my personal belief that if the retaliation comes quickly from red states against people like those 51 former intelligence experts, Comey, Paige, Strozk, Hillary, Brennen, Wray, and many others to charge them with the same kind of election interference they charged Trump with, that will force the Supreme Court to realize it must intervene quickly to overturn the Trump convicton and stop the games.
 

Zeets2 » 01 Jun 2024, 8:18 am » wrote: ↑

01 Jun 2024, 8:18 am

WRONG!
That "underlying crime" that was invented they claim was raised to a felony because the listing of that payment was determined by that biased jury to have been intentionally listed that way because Trump INTENDED for it to interfere with the 2016 election, which had ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED!

It was total ****, you KNOW it was total ****, and yet you dance around cheering like an idiot with no concern whatsoever for the US criminal justice system to become no different than that of any tin-pot dictatorship!  Such blatant disregard for the US Constitution and particularly Trump's rights under the 6th Amendment make the appeal a slam dunk for Trump and even this corrupt judge and DA KNEW IT, but that was never the point of their witch hunt.  They got exactly what they were looking for, and that was the ability to call Trump a convicted felon in the lead up to the election, knowing full well that the case could not likely be brought before the Appellate court or the Supreme Court before the election. 

Since you Democrats here have shown no concern whatsoever about how the laws were changed for the sole purpose of "getting Trump", every one of you have displayed a disgusting hatred for the rule of law and you have embraced the communist mantra of how the end justifies the means, just as it did for Trotsky, Lenin, Marx, and now Biden, and shor-sighted morons like you who refuse to even contemplate how much damage you've just done to the country you obviously all despise.

doesn't change the fact that the business records were falsified for the purpose of conspiring to promote or prevent an election.  

The fact that he won the 2016 election would indicate that the hush money was well spent, imo.

Zeets2 » 01 Jun 2024, 8:40 am » wrote: ↑

01 Jun 2024, 8:40 am

I sincerely hope that the delay may be because Republican DAs and prosecutors in red states may be choosing to wait to see the revelations forthcoming from the Hunter Biden trial this coming week, where every scrap of his and his daddy's corruption will be revealed for the public to see the crimes exposed on his laptop, which has already been permitted to be entered as evidence.  At the very least, it will expose the two-tiered justice system and the weaponization of several entire departments that Joe Biden has directed.

With Biden's crimes revealed to the country, the campaign will be deemed as a convicted felon running against an unconvicted felon.  And the country as a whole will recognize it for exactly what it is.  But I still hold out my personal belief that if the retaliation comes quickly from red states against people like those 51 former intelligence experts, Comey, Paige, Strozk, Hillary, Brennen, Wray, and many others to charge them with the same kind of election interference they charged Trump with, that will force the Supreme Court to realize it must intervene quickly to overturn the Trump convicton and stop the games.

fyi... in our criminal justice system, there is no such thing as an unconvicted felon.    

and I must say... you guys need to pick a lane.

Either Joe Biden is this evil criminal mastermind or he's a dottering incontinent old fool.  He cant be both.
 

Zeets2 » 01 Jun 2024, 8:40 am » wrote: ↑

01 Jun 2024, 8:40 am

I sincerely hope that the delay may be because Republican DAs and prosecutors in red states may be choosing to wait to see the revelations forthcoming from the Hunter Biden trial this coming week, where every scrap of his and his daddy's corruption will be revealed for the public to see the crimes exposed on his laptop, which has already been permitted to be entered as evidence.  At the very least, it will expose the two-tiered justice system and the weaponization of several entire departments that Joe Biden has directed.

With Biden's crimes revealed to the country, the campaign will be deemed as a convicted felon running against an unconvicted felon.  And the country as a whole will recognize it for exactly what it is.  But I still hold out my personal belief that if the retaliation comes quickly from red states against people like those 51 former intelligence experts, Comey, Paige, Strozk, Hillary, Brennen, Wray, and many others to charge them with the same kind of election interference they charged Trump with, that will force the Supreme Court to realize it must intervene quickly to overturn the Trump convicton and stop the games.

everyone is yapping- he may take a plea deal this weekend. Hope not.
 

maineman » 01 Jun 2024, 8:46 am » wrote: ↑

01 Jun 2024, 8:46 am

doesn't change the fact that the business records were falsified for the purpose of conspiring to promote or prevent an election.  

The fact that he won the 2016 election would indicate that the hush money was well spent, imo.

The conspiring part was never proven... and Merchan had even insinuated to the jury in the instructions that it was irrelevant in making their decision.

All Bragg demonstrated was that records were falsified... and not what they were falsified for.

 
 

maineman » 01 Jun 2024, 8:48 am » wrote: ↑

01 Jun 2024, 8:48 am

fyi... in our criminal justice system, there is no such thing as an unconvicted felon.    

and I must say... you guys need to pick a lane.

Either Joe Biden is this evil criminal mastermind or he's a dottering incontinent old fool.  He cant be both.

It is NOT a phrase that needs to be used in a court!
The VOTERS are the ones who know precisely what it means, and a lot of it will be exposed this coming week in the Hunter Biden trial.
 

maineman » 01 Jun 2024, 8:46 am » wrote: ↑

01 Jun 2024, 8:46 am

doesn't change the fact that the business records were falsified for the purpose of conspiring to promote or prevent an election.  

The fact that he won the 2016 election would indicate that the hush money was well spent, imo.

And if they WERE falsified, it was an accounting entry listed as such by convicted felon Michael Cohen!  Regardless, there was ZERO evidence that Trump even knew about it, let alone directed that it be done in order to intentionally influence the election, WHICH HAD ALREADY TAKEN PLACE!

Stop your foolish attempts to convince yourself that you're not supporting a complete miscarriage of justice that has solely been orchestrated by your corrupt president because he knows he can't beat Trump on a level playing field!  So just like any communist country, the race has to be fixed to get the desired outcome.

You know it as well as I do!  And you don't care to acknowledge that fact because you care NOTHING about justice as long as your corrupt senile idiot can succeed in staying in power.  You'd win far more respect if you'd simply admit what we all know and stop pretending that you love this country! 
 

Zeets2 » 01 Jun 2024, 9:18 am » wrote: ↑

01 Jun 2024, 9:18 am

And if they WERE falsified, it was an accounting entry listed as such by convicted felon Michael Cohen!  Regardless, there was ZERO evidence that Trump even knew about it, let alone directed that it be done in order to intentionally influence the election, WHICH HAD ALREADY TAKEN PLACE!

Stop your foolish attempts to convince yourself that you're not supporting a complete miscarriage of justice that has solely been orchestrated by your corrupt president because he knows he can't beat Trump on a level playing field!  So just like any communist country, the race has to be fixed to get the desired outcome.

You know it as well as I do!  And you don't care to acknowledge that fact because you care NOTHING about justice as long as your corrupt senile idiot can succeed in staying in power.  You'd win far more respect if you'd simply admit what we all know and stop pretending that you love this country!

I actually disagree with every single word of this post.  Clearly, there was plenty of evidence that Trump knew about it.  A jury of twelve of his peers unanimously found him guilty of 34 different felonies.  And the election had not taken place when the crimes were committed.

I love this country and I will support and defend its constitution against all enemies foreign AND domestic.  And from where I sit, that means YOU>

maineman » 01 Jun 2024, 8:46 am » wrote: ↑

01 Jun 2024, 8:46 am

doesn't change the fact that the business records were falsified for the purpose of conspiring to promote or prevent an election.  

The fact that he won the 2016 election would indicate that the hush money was well spent, imo.

Can you believe some morons actually voted for Hillary Clinton?
 

Zeets2 » 01 Jun 2024, 9:06 am » wrote: ↑

01 Jun 2024, 9:06 am

It is NOT a phrase that needs to be used in a court!
The VOTERS are the ones who know precisely what it means, and a lot of it will be exposed this coming week in the Hunter Biden trial.

and when Joe comes out the other side of the Hunter trial unscathed, will you admit you are an idiot?

Hey... I know that MAGA scrotum suckers like you will NEVER spit it out of your mouth, and the clown will never lose your votes or the lovely feeling of your moist mouth wrapped about his ball sack, but you and your ilk make up about 39% of the electorate at most.  Your numbers are not going to get any larger.  Rational non-MAGA independents and conservatives are not going to be MORE likely to vote for a candidate who is now a convicted FELON.    

maineman » 01 Jun 2024, 9:44 am » wrote: ↑

01 Jun 2024, 9:44 am

I actually disagree with every single word of this post.  Clearly, there was plenty of evidence that Trump knew about it.  A jury of twelve of his peers unanimously found him guilty of 34 different felonies.  And the election had not taken place when the crimes were committed.

I love this country and I will support and defend its constitution against all enemies foreign AND domestic.  And from where I sit, that means YOU>

His peers...  

You don't really believe that **** about the constitution, do you?
The Party you vote for is undermining the principles that the Constitution is based on at every turn.
I think your biggest problem is a massive guilt complex for cashing that pension check every month.
 

maineman » 01 Jun 2024, 9:49 am » wrote: ↑

01 Jun 2024, 9:49 am

and when Joe comes out the other side of the Hunter trial unscathed, will you admit you are an idiot?

Hey... I know that MAGA scrotum suckers like you will NEVER spit it out of your mouth, and the clown will never lose your votes or the lovely feeling of your moist mouth wrapped about his ball sack, but you and your ilk make up about 39% of the electorate at most.  Your numbers are not going to get any larger.  Rational non-MAGA independents and conservatives are not going to be MORE likely to vote for a candidate who is now a convicted FELON.  

What does it say about your guy when a convicted felon is beating the brakes off his *** in the polls

LOL
 
 

RebelGator » 01 Jun 2024, 9:55 am » wrote: ↑

01 Jun 2024, 9:55 am

His peers...  

You don't really believe that **** about the constitution, do you?
The Party you vote for is undermining the principles that the Constitution is based on at every turn.
I think your biggest problem is a massive guilt complex for cashing that pension check every month.

What is funny about "peers"?  Do you think he is royalty or something?

We'll just have to agree to disagree, Cletis.

My biggest problem in all of my life right now is that I can't seem to straighten out the nagging fade with my driver.

maineman » 01 Jun 2024, 9:49 am » wrote: ↑

01 Jun 2024, 9:49 am

and when Joe comes out the other side of the Hunter trial unscathed, will you admit you are an idiot?

Hey... I know that MAGA scrotum suckers like you will NEVER spit it out of your mouth, and the clown will never lose your votes or the lovely feeling of your moist mouth wrapped about his ball sack, but you and your ilk make up about 39% of the electorate at most.  Your numbers are not going to get any larger.  Rational non-MAGA independents and conservatives are not going to be MORE likely to vote for a candidate who is now a convicted FELON.  

If that were true, then how is it that Trump received a record of over $53 million in campaign contributions in the 24 hours after the verdict was reported, mostly coming from voters who had never contributed to campaigns in the past?  Those are the most highly motivated voters, the likes of which Biden has never had and never will.

So, when Trump wins his final appeal, will YOU admit that you're an idiot who's supporting a corrupt and senile turd?
 

Zeets2 » 01 Jun 2024, 10:23 am » wrote: ↑

01 Jun 2024, 10:23 am

If that were true, then how is it that Trump received a record of over $53 million in campaign contributions in the 24 hours after the verdict was reported, mostly coming from voters who had never contributed to campaigns in the past?  Those are the most highly motivated voters, the likes of which Biden has never had and never will.

So, when Trump wins his final appeal, will YOU admit that you're an idiot who's supporting a corrupt and senile turd?

I said that scrotum suckers would be motivated.  I have no doubt that 39% of the electorate is so angry that their demigod is now a convicted felon that they would dig deep to help him out.  That doesn't do anything to INCREASE his numbers.

Interesting poll:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/one-10 ... 024-05-31/
 

maineman » 01 Jun 2024, 9:44 am » wrote: ↑

01 Jun 2024, 9:44 am

I actually disagree with every single word of this post.  Clearly, there was plenty of evidence that Trump knew about it.  A jury of twelve of his peers unanimously found him guilty of 34 different felonies.  And the election had not taken place when the crimes were committed.

I love this country and I will support and defend its constitution against all enemies foreign AND domestic.  And from where I sit, that means YOU>

Oh, so you get to pick and choose which parts of the Bill of Rights can be ignored as this judge has proven to ignore Trump's 6th Amendment rights by refusing to allow his witness for the defense to testify?  Or to have an impartial judge and jury when this judge has repeatedly donated to Trump's opponent and has an activist daughter who worked for both Biden and VP Harris, yet refuses to recuse himself?  And it's OK with you for this corrupt judge to take away Trump's 1st Amendment right to free speech by hitting him with an unconstitutional gag order?

You can try making such an absurd claim that you love this country when you cheer for such corruption but the facts belie that claim and everyone here knows it!  You've proven you hate having to provide equal justice under the law, you hate the 1st and 6th Amendment, and you condone any and every action taken to prevent Trump from running and winning the upcoming election.  If you truly did have any love for this country, you would not support this phony mock trial and the kangaroo court that's been carefully created including the laws that were changed specifically to enable the prosecution to maneuver the charges by upgrading a simple misdemeanor to a felony, the likes of which have NEVER BEFORE BEEN USED in ANY court of law for the past 200+ years!  But you support EVERY ONE of those acts because you HATE this country and her laws and prefer the kind of banana republic communism that tramples all over the rights of every American.

Got it now, scumbag?
 

maineman » 01 Jun 2024, 7:04 am » wrote: ↑

01 Jun 2024, 7:04 am

Mister Bees.... you should stick to Melittology, your knowledge of law is sadly deficient.


 

Well Mr. "I am smarter than God", you have YET To tell us what UNDERLYING CRIME was alleged to be committed. AND PROVEN AS MUCH in ANY court of law??

So you would FULLY AGREE that you could be convicted of MURDER if a DA says you committed ANOTHER CRIME that no one knows that it is when someone died of a heart attack 3 miles away!! BECAUSE that is EXACTLY what you are claiming is the case here!!

Stick to sucking BLACK ADMIRAL'S COCK, That is the ONLY think you seem to have been really good at doing.