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maineman » 18 Jun 2024, 9:59 am » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2024, 9:59 am

why would YOU think that would be terrible?

maineman » 18 Jun 2024, 1:27 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2024, 1:27 pm

I am trying to understand what your point is about gun violence in Chicago.  Are you really suggesting that it has to do with the predominant political party in that city?    More people die in Chicago because of democrats?  What?

maineman » 18 Jun 2024, 12:55 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2024, 12:55 pm

nice **** spin.  Do you have ANYTHING from any reputable source that would back up your claim that any of that was done specifically to create phony numbers?

4 Reasons We Should Worry About Missing Crime Data
The FBI’s crime data is still incomplete — and politicians are taking advantage.
By WEIHUA LI 

By 2020, almost every law enforcement agency was included in the FBI’s database. Some agencies reported topline numbers, such as the total number of murders or car thefts, through the Summary Reporting System. Others reported granular incident data with details about each reported crime through the newer National Incident-Based Reporting System (NIBRS).

Then it all changed in 2021. In an effort to fully modernize the system, the FBI stopped taking data from the old summary system and only accepted data through the new system. Thousands of police agencies fell through the cracks because they didn’t catch up with the changes on time.The Marshall Project is tracking police agency participation using data obtained from the FBI. Here are four takeaways from our analysis.

More than 6,000 law enforcement agencies were missing from the FBI’s national crime data last year, representing nearly one-third of the nation’s 18,000 police agencies. This means a quarter of the US population wasn't represented in the federal crime data last year

Many of the largest police departments, like the NYPD and LAPD, are still missing. But the two largest police agencies in the U.S., the New York Police Department and the Los Angeles Police Department, are still missing in the federal data.

Many large police agencies still missing from national crime data
Of the 19 biggest law enforcement agencies — each of which police more than 1 million people — seven were missing from the FBI’s 2022 crime data. The missing agencies include the LAPD, the NYPD, and police departments in Phoenix, San Jose and New York's Suffolk County.

Bad data from the FBI mislead about crime
By Mark Morgan and Sean Kennedy April 5, 2024 

The fourth quarter 2023 crime report from the FBI, the federal government’s keeper of crime data, is unreliable at best and deceptive at worst. The FBI’s preliminary 2023 data show murder declined by 13.2% across the country and violent crime dropped 5.7% compared to 2022 levels. Various news headlines have reported the FBI’s numbers unquestioningly, claiming murder is “plummeting” and violent crime “declined significantly” to pre-pandemic levels. But these latest figures warrant skepticism, as we outline in a new report. In fact, violent crime is up substantially from 2019 levels, and last year’s apparent drop is less significant than it appears. Part of the problem is how police departments report offenses to the FBI. The FBI asked, then demanded, that law enforcement agencies “transition” away from the system they used for decades to a new, more detailed but onerous one. The 2021 mandate to use NIBRS to submit crime data proved a disaster as overstretched departments, especially in large cities, failed to reach compliance and thus did not submit data.

*Huey » 18 Jun 2024, 1:34 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2024, 1:34 pm

I never mentioned anything about a political party.  You will have to quote the post where I did.  So no, I am not suggesting it.  This happens with you often.

maineman » 18 Jun 2024, 2:03 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2024, 2:03 pm

then I am still trying to understand what point you are trying to make about Chicago gun violence versus anywhere else.

maineman » 18 Jun 2024, 2:03 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2024, 2:03 pm

then I am still trying to understand what point you are trying to make about Chicago gun violence versus anywhere else.

*Huey » 18 Jun 2024, 2:27 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2024, 2:27 pm

If you have two areas with a dense population, both with strict gun control laws, but one has constantly higher, (much higher), shooting numbers,  apparently the problem is not with the laws.

maineman » 18 Jun 2024, 2:33 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2024, 2:33 pm

I understand that point and I agree that it the problem is apparently NOT with the laws.  Do you have any opinion as to what it DOES have to do with?

*Huey » 18 Jun 2024, 2:36 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2024, 2:36 pm

I posted that earlier.  I believe yhou replied to it.

BooRadley » 17 Jun 2024, 2:36 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2024, 2:36 pm

What I find interesting is they can't fix this....

maineman » 18 Jun 2024, 2:33 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2024, 2:33 pm

I understand that point and I agree that it the problem is apparently NOT with the laws.  Do you have any opinion as to what it DOES have to do with?

maineman » 18 Jun 2024, 1:28 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2024, 1:28 pm

And are NYC democrats some different kind of democrat than Chicago ones?

maineman » 18 Jun 2024, 11:56 am » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2024, 11:56 am

two takes:

https://everytownresearch.org/rankings/ ... 0ownership.

https://everytownresearch.org/rankings/state/illinois/

maineman » 18 Jun 2024, 3:20 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2024, 3:20 pm

Was that the comment about bad guys having all the guns?