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jerrab » 02 Jul 2024, 11:06 am » wrote: ↑

02 Jul 2024, 11:06 am

-----------------------The Presidential Records Act (PRA) defines what constitutes “Presidential records” and what are “personal records.” 44 U.S.C. 2201. Personal records include “diaries, journals, or other personal notes serving as the functional equivalent of a diary or journal which are not prepared or utilized for, or circulated or communicated in the course of, transacting Government business.”     The PRA also requires that all documentary materials “be categorized as Presidential records or personal records upon their creation or receipt and be filed separately.” 44 U.S.C. 2203(b). The President does not have discretion to categorize a Presidential record as a personal record.  

https://www.archives.gov/press/press-re ... 3/nr23-016

Yea, that's what I said, ****!!

Anything ELSE you need to learn?? 


Did you read the PART too where NARA assisted Trump in determining what they wanted BEFORE he left the Whitehouse?? That part means SOMEONE **** UP AT NARA, so that "crime" would be ON THEM, ****!!

                 

jerrab » 01 Jul 2024, 9:54 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Jul 2024, 9:54 pm

no, what is unhinged is trump saying he can declassify documents merely by thinking about it.

Who do you think packed and sent those documents to Mar a Lago?
Hint:  It wasn't Trump, or anyone in his family.
 

*rippy38 » 02 Jul 2024, 1:23 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Jul 2024, 1:23 pm

Where does it say he can?
 
Where does it say Biden can't?

Any more stupid questions?

 

Are the sheep still losing their minds, claiming the President can now kill people with immunity?

golfboy » 02 Jul 2024, 7:34 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Jul 2024, 7:34 pm

Who do you think packed and sent those documents to Mar a Lago?
Hint:  It wasn't Trump, or anyone in his family.

his employees

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https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/politi ... ar-a-lago-

A man who spent two decades working at former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate said in an interivew that he helped load boxes of classified documents onto a plane leaving Florida, recounted a story of an Australian billionaire boasting that Trump showed him classified material and contended that “feasibly, at night, anybody could” have accessed the rooms where Trump kept the documents after his presidency.
 
 

jerrab » 02 Jul 2024, 10:04 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Jul 2024, 10:04 pm

his employees

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https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/politi ... ar-a-lago-

A man who spent two decades working at former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate said in an interivew that he helped load boxes of classified documents onto a plane leaving Florida, recounted a story of an Australian billionaire boasting that Trump showed him classified material and contended that “feasibly, at night, anybody could” have accessed the rooms where Trump kept the documents after his presidency.

BZZZZZ...   wrong.   Want to try again?
Why are you quoting a story about boxes "leaving Florida"?
 
 

golfboy » 02 Jul 2024, 10:21 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Jul 2024, 10:21 pm

BZZZZZ...   wrong.   Want to try again?
Why are you quoting a story about boxes "leaving Florida"?

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https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/11/politics ... index.html

The case centers around Trump’s handling of classified documents after his presidency and his resistance to the government’s attempts to retrieve the materials he took to Mar-a-Lago from the White House.Trump’s personal aide, Walt Nauta, and Carlos de Oliveira, Mar-a-Lago’s property manager, have also been charged. All three have pleaded not guilty.
 

golfboy » 02 Jul 2024, 10:21 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Jul 2024, 10:21 pm

BZZZZZ...   wrong.   Want to try again?
Why are you quoting a story about boxes "leaving Florida"?

------------------------------And on June 3, 2022, Butler said he worked with Trump bodyman Will Nauta and Mar-a-Lago property manager Carlos De Oliveira to load cardboard boxes full of documents onto Trump’s plane in Florida before it took off for New Jersey for the summer. That day, an attorney for Trump told the FBI that all classified documents at Mar-a-Lago were accounted for, according to the indictment. Prosecutors now say that assertion by Trump’s team was false, alleging that the ex-president delayed his flight to speak with federal investigators that day and “claimed to the Department of Justice and FBI that he was ‘an open book,’” according to a court filing, hours after Butler says 10-15 boxes of documents were loaded onto the former president’s plane.Nauta had asked Butler to borrow a car from the car service he ran, the former employee recalled in the CNN interview. “I didn't think anything of it. It was a little odd the way he asked me… because typically, he wouldn’t go get a vehicle, drive himself and get luggage,” Butler said, recounting Nauta waiting for him offsite to follow him in a separate car with the boxes of documents. Once at the airport, Butler helped load them onto the plane, unaware of the classified documents prosecutors now say were inside. “I'm just thinking, ‘eh, the former president, he has a lot of stuff he likes to lug around with him.’ I never would have thought it was anything like what we see.”

jerrab » 01 Jul 2024, 9:54 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Jul 2024, 9:54 pm

no, what is unhinged is trump saying he can declassify documents merely by thinking about it.

You seem to love "showing us the law", so show us WHERE A PRESIDENT can't declassify a document simply by saying "its now declassified"!!!

Not some low level **** that wants to declassify, but the LAW THAT PERTAINS TO THE PRESIDENT!!

(watch this folks, as this *** stomping is going to be MASSIVE!!)

Beekeeper » 03 Jul 2024, 6:17 am » wrote: ↑

03 Jul 2024, 6:17 am

You seem to love "showing us the law", so show us WHERE A PRESIDENT can't declassify a document simply by saying "its now declassified"!!!

Not some low level **** that wants to declassify, but the LAW THAT PERTAINS TO THE PRESIDENT!!

(watch this folks, as this *** stomping is going to be MASSIVE!!)

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https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanew ... authority/

Some secrets, such as information related to nuclear weapons, are handled separately under a specific statutory scheme that Congress has adopted under the Atomic Energy Act. Those secrets cannot be automatically declassified by the president alone and require, by law, extensive consultation with executive branch agencies.
 In all cases, however, a formal procedure is required so governmental agencies know with certainty what has been declassified and decisions memorialized. A federal appeals court in a 2020 Freedom of Information Act case, New York Times v. CIA, underscored that point: “Declassification cannot occur unless designated officials follow specified procedures,” the court said.
 

jerrab » 03 Jul 2024, 8:04 am » wrote: ↑

03 Jul 2024, 8:04 am

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https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanew ... authority/

Some secrets, such as information related to nuclear weapons, are handled separately under a specific statutory scheme that Congress has adopted under the Atomic Energy Act. Those secrets cannot be automatically declassified by the president alone and require, by law, extensive consultation with executive branch agencies.
 In all cases, however, a formal procedure is required so governmental agencies know with certainty what has been declassified and decisions memorialized. A federal appeals court in a 2020 Freedom of Information Act case, New York Times v. CIA, underscored that point: “Declassification cannot occur unless designated officials follow specified procedures,” the court said.

So?? You FAILED to post the part where it's against the law for a President to NOT BE ABLE to declare a document DECLASSIFED and it is!! You know, those ORDINARY, EVERYDAY ONES!!

And that NY Slimes vs. CIA, that case stated that AN AGENCY can't arbitrarily declassify ANYTHING, which IS THE LAW, *******!!

Now, RUN ALONG RUFUS and TRY to find what you claimed or SHUT THE **** UP!!

Beekeeper » 03 Jul 2024, 9:41 am » wrote: ↑

03 Jul 2024, 9:41 am

So?? You FAILED to post the part where it's against the law for a President to NOT BE ABLE to declare a document DECLASSIFED and it is!! You know, those ORDINARY, EVERYDAY ONES!!

And that NY Slimes vs. CIA, that case stated that AN AGENCY can't arbitrarily declassify ANYTHING, which IS THE LAW, *******!!

Now, RUN ALONG RUFUS and TRY to find what you claimed or SHUT THE **** UP!!

 In all cases, however, a formal procedure is required so governmental agencies know with certainty what has been declassified and decisions memorialized

jerrab » 03 Jul 2024, 10:30 am » wrote: ↑

03 Jul 2024, 10:30 am

 In all cases, however, a formal procedure is required so governmental agencies know with certainty what has been declassified and decisions memorialized

AND ONCE AGAIN, YOU FAIL!!

Sucks, huh??

Beekeeper » 03 Jul 2024, 2:32 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Jul 2024, 2:32 pm

AND ONCE AGAIN, YOU FAIL!!

Sucks, huh??

sucks to be you. 

jerrab » 03 Jul 2024, 3:16 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Jul 2024, 3:16 pm

sucks to be you.

NO, it sucks that you can't find any LAW that says how THE PRESIDENT must declassify any document he chooses!!

OTHER AGENCIES or DEPT heads, yes, the PRESIDENT, nope you are floundering here and DOING WHAT YOU TRY TO DO BEST!! SPIN IT BABYGRL!! TRYING to make a claim without FACTS is YOU kicking your OWN ***, ****!!

                   

Beekeeper » 03 Jul 2024, 9:41 am » wrote: ↑

03 Jul 2024, 9:41 am

So?? You FAILED to post the part where it's against the law for a President to NOT BE ABLE to declare a document DECLASSIFED and it is!! You know, those ORDINARY, EVERYDAY ONES!!

And that NY Slimes vs. CIA, that case stated that AN AGENCY can't arbitrarily declassify ANYTHING, which IS THE LAW, *******!!

Now, RUN ALONG RUFUS and TRY to find what you claimed or SHUT THE **** UP!!

there are formal procedures. and some need extensive consultation. and agencies are to be notified what documents have been declassified.
--------------------------------------------------Some secrets, such as information related to nuclear weapons, are handled separately under a specific statutory scheme that Congress has adopted under the Atomic Energy Act. Those secrets cannot be automatically declassified by the president alone and require, by law, extensive consultation with executive branch agencies.

 In all cases, however, a formal procedure is required so governmental agencies know with certainty what has been declassified and decisions memorialized. A federal appeals court in a 2020 Freedom of Information Act case, New York Times v. CIA, underscored that point: “Declassification cannot occur unless designated officials follow specified procedures,” the court said.

jerrab » 03 Jul 2024, 3:30 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Jul 2024, 3:30 pm

there are formal procedures. and some need extensive consultation. and agencies are to be notified what documents have been declassified.
--------------------------------------------------Some secrets, such as information related to nuclear weapons, are handled separately under a specific statutory scheme that Congress has adopted under the Atomic Energy Act. Those secrets cannot be automatically declassified by the president alone and require, by law, extensive consultation with executive branch agencies.

 In all cases, however, a formal procedure is required so governmental agencies know with certainty what has been declassified and decisions memorialized. A federal appeals court in a 2020 Freedom of Information Act case, New York Times v. CIA, underscored that point: “Declassification cannot occur unless designated officials follow specified procedures,” the court said.

So?? Where does that GIVE THE PRESIDENT any manner HE/SHE must use to declassify documents??

Hint.....

It doesn't.,

Beekeeper » 03 Jul 2024, 3:22 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Jul 2024, 3:22 pm

NO, it sucks that you can't find any LAW that says how THE PRESIDENT must declassify any document he chooses!!

OTHER AGENCIES or DEPT heads, yes, the PRESIDENT, nope you are floundering here and DOING WHAT YOU TRY TO DO BEST!! SPIN IT BABYGRL!! TRYING to make a claim without FACTS is YOU kicking your OWN ***, ****!!

                 

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One thing the president cannot do, though, is declassify information “by thinking about it” — i.e., without communicating that decision to anyone else. This conclusion follows not from any particular legal requirements but rather from the very essence of what it means to classify or declassify information. As noted above, these are two-step processes: first, an official determines whether the information requires protection, and second, the information is flagged to ensure that the protections are applied or removed. 

PhiloBeddo » 01 Jul 2024, 10:41 am » wrote: ↑

01 Jul 2024, 10:41 am

What is wrong with the Lefties brains? They are always **** up.

They sucked too many infected horse dicks with the child molester known as pom. Pulls On Manmeat.

Beekeeper » 03 Jul 2024, 3:34 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Jul 2024, 3:34 pm

So?? Where does that GIVE THE PRESIDENT any manner HE/SHE must use to declassify documents??

Hint.....

It doesn't.,

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https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/ ... -documents

One thing the president cannot do, though, is declassify information “by thinking about it” — i.e., without communicating that decision to anyone else. This conclusion follows not from any particular legal requirements but rather from the very essence of what it means to classify or declassify information. As noted above, these are two-step processes: first, an official determines whether the information requires protection, and second, the information is flagged to ensure that the protections are applied or removed. If an official claims to have classified or declassified information after taking the first step but not the second, it’s like a customer saying she ordered food at a restaurant when she has decided what she wants to eat but hasn’t told the waiter.