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maineman » 05 Jul 2024, 6:55 am » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2024, 6:55 am

I know that many denominations, including the Roman Catholic Church, Episcopalians, Methodists, Congregationalists, and Lutherans follow the revised common lectionary.  I know this personally because I have spent time as a licensed (not ordained) interim minister in one of those denominations.  Churches who follow the lectionary do so religiously (pun intended), and the three-year-long cycle of readings doesn't change.  Ezekiel 23 is NOT one of them.  That is a fact.

If you don't believe me, check for yourself:  https://lectionary.library.vanderbilt.edu

What's the matter @ConsRule ??  Cat got your tongue?  

maineman » 05 Jul 2024, 12:36 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2024, 12:36 pm

What's the matter @ConsRule ??  Cat got your tongue?

I have already responded.  You're as bad as BeastlyVagina.  There is no requirement that you like the response.   

*Huey » 05 Jul 2024, 12:33 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2024, 12:33 pm

Not at all.  Where do you come up with this ****? I want little kids to read what their parents deem fit for them to read.  I can't wait for your reply to that.

I need some popcorn.

you find it very easy to say what you want/believe but no one else can.

 
 

jerrab » 05 Jul 2024, 1:03 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2024, 1:03 pm

you find it very easy to say what you want/believe but no one else can.

No, not at all.  You presumed to speak for me.  I corrected you.  You can say whatever you want.But when you lie about my stance I will correct you.

Free speech does not give you the right to go unchallenged.

maineman » 05 Jul 2024, 12:31 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2024, 12:31 pm

It may be in stark contrast to what many conservative denominations teach, but not mine.  My denomination has a special designation that has to be earned called "Open and Affirming."  Every Congregational church I have ever belonged to has earned that designation.  "All Are Welcome Here"  is our motto.

https://www.ucc.org/into_the_mystic_we_welcome_all/
 

The irony to the word conservative is everyone defending their collective faiths in shared beliefs to any ideas life is grater than adapting to living since conceived honors the hypothetical higher than actual time evolving here native replacements to this universal location never staying same total sum of events arrived today.

People changing character roles are heros to those fixated on the narrative of their ancestral lineages making them uniquely here following a social consensus cradle to grave come hell or high water platitude of being more than just another reproduction adapting today.

that pride before the downfall of one's reality imploding for the same reasons everyone in history has.

*Huey » 05 Jul 2024, 12:33 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2024, 12:33 pm

Not at all.  Where do you come up with this ****? I want little kids to read what their parents deem fit for them to read.  I can't wait for your reply to that.

I need some popcorn.

I would like to go to schools and tell them they should not sweat it out about going to hell. and Jesus said so.

jerrab » 05 Jul 2024, 1:05 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2024, 1:05 pm

I would like to go to schools and tell them they should not sweat it out about going to hell. and Jesus said so.

Have fun with that.  I hope you can post from jail.  In today's age schools don't really like kook strangers busting in and preaching to children.  

*Huey » 05 Jul 2024, 1:08 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2024, 1:08 pm

Have fun with that.  I hope you can post from jail.  In today's age schools don't really like kook strangers busting in and preaching to children.

I would not burst in. I am tired of churches scaring kids to death with lies.

jerrab » 05 Jul 2024, 12:03 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2024, 12:03 pm

the passage that you have read from the pulpit means that God forgives even atheists. this is in stark contrast to what christian religions teach.

Really?  Cite an official position of a Christian denomination that states they believe God doesn't forgive an atheists.  A Christian can commit a sin that God will not forgive.  And the forgiveness of sin does not equal salvation.

Maybe you and maineman should stop telling people what they, or the church they attend, believe.  This may come as a shock to you and the butt **** swabby from ME, but not every congregation in every Christian denomination believes/practices the same.  if they did, denominations would never split apart...and they have.
 

jerrab » 05 Jul 2024, 1:09 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2024, 1:09 pm

I would not burst in. I am tired of churches scaring kids to death with lies.

The don't go, don't send your kids, and stay out of the lives of others.  You definitely are one of those hardcore progressive types.

*Huey » 05 Jul 2024, 1:10 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2024, 1:10 pm

The don't go, don't send your kids, and stay out of the lives of others.  You definitely are one of those hardcore progressive types.

anyone who believes in what Christ said is a progressive to you.

you are just another run in the mill atheist. a dime a dozen.

jerrab » 05 Jul 2024, 1:13 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2024, 1:13 pm

anyone who believes in what Christ said is a progressive to you.

you are just another run in the mill atheist. a dime a dozen.

I am not an atheist.  I believe in Christ.  

Do you have some butter for the popcorn?  

maineman » 05 Jul 2024, 8:17 am » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2024, 8:17 am

I don't scoff at it, but some of it certainly does not inform or assist Christians in living Christ-like lives.  Ezekiel 23 is one such example.  As I said, I served as the interim minister at a Congregational church in Maine for two years.  We ALWAYS followed the lectionary, which includes an Old Testament passage, a Psalm, a Gospel passage, and an Epistle passage.  I would always use three of those four in every service, and one of them was ALWAYS the Gospel passage.  And 90 percent of the time, my sermon was an exploration of one of those readings.
 
 

 

It sounds like a pretty standard service... I guess your focus on this certain passage seemed poignant when the Bible is rife with things we may find disturbing, even in the NT...

while everyone has their personal view of GOD, I see HIM as a GOD of wrath, HE isn't fair, HE's just and everybody's fair haired, blue eyed JESUS, who is GOD, will come to destroy the nations...but that's just me...

 

ConsRule » 05 Jul 2024, 9:44 am » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2024, 9:44 am

Personally, I not going to worry about it. The appropriate people in OK will handle the details and I trust they will handle any smart-*** teacher trying to make a point accordingly.

This??? This was your response to me shoving your "you don't know ****" comment right back up your well-traveled ***?        

maineman » 05 Jul 2024, 1:36 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2024, 1:36 pm

This??? This was your response to me shoving your "you don't know ****" comment right back up your well-traveled ***?      

Believe whatever makes you feel superior to others.

ConsRule » 05 Jul 2024, 1:10 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2024, 1:10 pm

Really?  Cite an official position of a Christian denomination that states they believe God doesn't forgive an atheists.  A Christian can commit a sin that God will not forgive.  And the forgiveness of sin does not equal salvation.

Maybe you and maineman should stop telling people what they, or the church they attend, believe.  This may come as a shock to you and the butt **** swabby from ME, but not every congregation in every Christian denomination believes/practices the same.  if they did, denominations would never split apart...and they have.

And all the ones I listed in the post you pooh-poohed that use the common lectionary NEVER read Ezekiel 23 during a worship service.  

ConsRule » 05 Jul 2024, 1:38 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2024, 1:38 pm

Believe whatever makes you feel superior to others.

you are the one who talked down to me.  own it.

ConsRule » 05 Jul 2024, 6:22 am » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2024, 6:22 am

And you know this because of your vast and overwhelming knowledge of the teachings of EVERY Christian church.

Your making **** up again and, as usual, making yourself look exceedingly stupid.

I guess I really should respond to this by simply saying,

"Believe whatever makes you feel superior to others."  

That work for you, you hypocritical ****?

maineman » 05 Jul 2024, 6:55 am » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2024, 6:55 am

I know that many denominations, including the Roman Catholic Church, Episcopalians, Methodists, Congregationalists, and Lutherans follow the revised common lectionary.  I know this personally because I have spent time as a licensed (not ordained) interim minister in one of those denominations.  Churches who follow the lectionary do so religiously (pun intended), and the three-year-long cycle of readings doesn't change.  Ezekiel 23 is NOT one of them.  That is a fact.

If you don't believe me, check for yourself:  https://lectionary.library.vanderbilt.edu

Now, cite the percentage of churches within each of those denominations that follow the "revised common lectionary"...I'll wait.

I was a Methodist (UMC) for 46 years, attending 5 different churches within the denomination.  At none of them, did Sunday School classes follow any commonly accepted/recognized/preferred (whatever word you wish to use) lectionary or curriculum.  The teachers and/or the class members were free to choose their topics. Some were strictly Bible based and some focus on social issues at the time and how we (the class members) should react to them. If all the churches within a denomination followed the same common lectionary, every member of the ordained clergy would be preaching basically the same sermon to their members every Sunday. Twice, during those years, our class and senior pastor spent 18 months covering every book in the Bible, in order.

Again, not every congregation within a denomination believes/teaches the same things.
 

maineman » 05 Jul 2024, 1:40 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2024, 1:40 pm

And all the ones I listed in the post you pooh-poohed that use the common lectionary NEVER read Ezekiel 23 during a worship service.

So you can't cite any denomination that believes God doesn't forgive an atheist.  Got it.