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maineman » 05 Jul 2024, 1:40 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2024, 1:40 pm

you are the one who talked down to me.  own it.

No, I'm the one countering, what I believe to be, your stupid *** blanket statements.  There's a difference.
 

ConsRule » 05 Jul 2024, 1:52 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2024, 1:52 pm

No, I'm the one countering, what I believe to be, your stupid *** blanket statements.  There's a difference.

it was not stupid ***, and it was not a blanket statement.  I didn't try to talk about ALL churches, just the denominations that follow the common lectionary, and I listed several, but not all of them for you.  It is a FACT that those churches that use the lectionary do NOT read from Ezekiel 23 in a worship setting.  I DO know what I am talking about here, and YOU are the idiot.  

ConsRule » 05 Jul 2024, 1:49 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2024, 1:49 pm

Now, cite the percentage of churches within each of those denominations that follow the "revised common lectionary"...I'll wait.

I was a Methodist (UMC) for 46 years, attending 5 different churches within the denomination.  At none of them, did Sunday School classes follow any commonly accepted/recognized/preferred (whatever word you wish to use) lectionary or curriculum.  The teachers and/or the class members were free to choose their topics. Some were strictly Bible based and some focus on social issues at the time and how we (the class members) should react to them. If all the churches within a denomination followed the same common lectionary, every member of the ordained clergy would be preaching basically the same sermon to their members every Sunday. Twice, during those years, our class and senior pastor spent 18 months covering every book in the Bible, in order.

Again, not every congregation within a denomination believes/teaches the same things.

I never once said anything about Sunday School classes.  I stated that churches that follow the lectionary do not read that passage in worship services.  They don't.  And since the lectionary contains an OT reading, a Psalm, a Gospel reading, AND an Epistle reading, even if the preachers were all preaching sermons about that week's lectionary texts - which many do not - there would still be four different possible sermon subjects every single Sunday.

maineman » 05 Jul 2024, 6:55 am » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2024, 6:55 am

I know that many denominations, including the Roman Catholic Church, Episcopalians, Methodists, Congregationalists, and Lutherans follow the revised common lectionary. 

Are these your words?

That is a blanket statement regarding Roman Catholics, Episcopalians, Methodist, Congregationalists and Lutherans.  If it wasn't, you would have used words like "many congregations within" or "most congregations within" or even "some congregations within".  But you said, "many denominations".

It's not my fault you screwed up your post.
 

maineman » 05 Jul 2024, 2:04 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2024, 2:04 pm

I never once said anything about Sunday School classes.  I stated that churches that follow the lectionary do not read that passage in worship services.  They don't.  And since the lectionary contains an OT reading, a Psalm, a Gospel reading, AND an Epistle reading, even if the preachers were all preaching sermons about that week's lectionary texts - which many do not - there would still be four different possible sermon subjects every single Sunday.

And I never limited my comments to only things coming from the pulpit.  Maybe you should take a class in reading comprehension.
 

*Huey » 05 Jul 2024, 1:18 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2024, 1:18 pm

I am not an atheist.  I believe in Christ.  

Do you have some butter for the popcorn?

what you believe in a Christ who will put every one in hell who does not believe what you believe.

jerrab » 05 Jul 2024, 2:07 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2024, 2:07 pm

what you believe in a Christ who will put every one in hell who does not believe what you believe.

No, I don't believe that.  Keep trying....  

jerrab » 05 Jul 2024, 2:07 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2024, 2:07 pm

what you believe in a Christ who will put every one in hell who does not believe what you believe.

That is a gross misrepresentation of the "requirement" for salvation.

 

ConsRule » 05 Jul 2024, 1:10 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2024, 1:10 pm

Really?  Cite an official position of a Christian denomination that states they believe God doesn't forgive an atheists.  A Christian can commit a sin that God will not forgive.  And the forgiveness of sin does not equal salvation.

Maybe you and maineman should stop telling people what they, or the church they attend, believe.  This may come as a shock to you and the butt **** swabby from ME, but not every congregation in every Christian denomination believes/practices the same.  if they did, denominations would never split apart...and they have.

what sin won't God forgive?

 Matthew 5:38-48
King James Version38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

ConsRule » 05 Jul 2024, 2:13 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2024, 2:13 pm

That is a gross misrepresentation of the "requirement" for salvation.

that is what being taught in 99 per cent of christian religions 

• John 14:6: Jesus Christ dogmatically stated: “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” 

ConsRule » 05 Jul 2024, 2:05 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2024, 2:05 pm

Are these your words?

That is a blanket statement regarding Roman Catholics, Episcopalians, Methodist, Congregationalists and Lutherans.  If it wasn't, you would have used words like "many congregations within" or "most congregations within" or even "some congregations within".  But you said, "many denominations".

It's not my fault you screwed up your post.

The denominations follow the lectionary.  The denominational organizational structure - be that of a synod, a general convention, an executive council, a council of bishops, a general council, or the Pope himself - has stated that it follows the lectionary.  I never claimed to speak for every single congregation in every denomination. Still, the stated denomination policy is churches will follow the lectionary:  Roman Catholics, Episcopalians, Methodists, Congregationalists, Lutherans, and many others.

jerrab » 05 Jul 2024, 2:19 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2024, 2:19 pm

that is what being taught in 99 per cent of christian religions 

• John 14:6: Jesus Christ dogmatically stated: “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” 

you need to pass a test to get a driver's license. if you fail does that mean you will never get a license?

jerrab » 05 Jul 2024, 2:15 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2024, 2:15 pm

what sin won't God forgive?

 Matthew 5:38-48
King James Version38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

James 2:  14-18


Faith and Deeds

14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 

15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
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 18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”  Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds.
 
 

*Huey » 05 Jul 2024, 2:08 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2024, 2:08 pm

No, I don't believe that.  Keep trying....

nope I am right.

jerrab » 05 Jul 2024, 2:26 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2024, 2:26 pm

nope I am right.

You need to up your game if you wish to get under my skin.  

jerrab » 05 Jul 2024, 2:15 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2024, 2:15 pm

what sin won't God forgive?

 Matthew 5:38-48
King James Version38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Luke 14:12-14 
"Then Jesus said to his host, “When you give a lunch or a dinner, do not invite your friends or your brothers or your relatives or your rich neighbors—for they will invite you back, and in this way you will be paid for what you did.

When you give a feast, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, and the blind; and you will be blessed, because they are not able to pay you back. God will repay you on the day the good people rise from death.”
 
 

*Huey » 05 Jul 2024, 2:26 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2024, 2:26 pm

You need to up your game if you wish to get under my skin.

answer this.-------

you need to pass a test to get a driver's license. if you fail does that mean you will never get a license?

jerrab » 05 Jul 2024, 2:28 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2024, 2:28 pm

answer this.-------

you need to pass a test to get a driver's license. if you fail does that mean you will never get a license?

Nope.  

You get to try again.  Now make a point, Lil One.

jerrab » 05 Jul 2024, 2:15 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2024, 2:15 pm

what sin won't God forgive?

 Matthew 5:38-48
King James Version38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

See Mark 3: 28-29

Truly I tell you, people can be forgiven all their sins and every slander they utter, but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.”

jerrab » 05 Jul 2024, 2:19 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2024, 2:19 pm

that is what being taught in 99 per cent of christian religions 

• John 14:6: Jesus Christ dogmatically stated: “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” 

That is referring to salvation...not forgiveness of sin.