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*Huey » 02 Jul 2024, 3:09 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Jul 2024, 3:09 pm

While I don't agree with it it doesn't appear you know much about this other than what you read in the headlines or heard in sound bytes.

Yes. 
This violates the separation of church and state.
Our forefathers were students of history and did not want a government that enforced personal beliefs about things that no living man knows for sure is right or wrong, true or false.
By the same token, our Forefathers never could have foreseen the day when  a Totalitarian Jew World Order would materialize, then  gain control of all wealth and of man's destiny. 
They had no way of knowing that there would ever be a totalitarian [[[JEW WORLD ORDER]]] that would decide that the Earth's population is too high. 
They had no way of knowing that the\ Jew Elite would eventually use their control of all governments / public school systems to promote QUEERNESS and to ridicule those who believe in Christ as the son of God.
So obviously what we are seeing here in OK is a "pushback" that gives the Progressives a taste of their own medicine.
Obviously, double standard loving  MM can't stand the taste of his own cooking.
 

jerrab » 07 Jul 2024, 1:02 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2024, 1:02 pm

part one of this post

part one---In the most prevalent interpretation, 'this generation' is understood as Jesus' contemporaries, implying that Jesus anticipated that his contemporaries would experience 'all these things' [πάνταταῦτα] to happen in their own lifetime.

part two-----  matthew  2431 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Yep...aka birthing pangs...yet nary a mention of reincarnation...
 

jerrab » 07 Jul 2024, 1:01 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2024, 1:01 pm

john the baptist/elijah realized his past after he died

They are not one in the same...sorry...
 

jerrab » 07 Jul 2024, 12:44 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2024, 12:44 pm

one line in hebrew  does not take away that Christ said that john the baptist was elijah in a past life and that john the baptist was not an angel but a man like every other man, born from a mother.

and no one really knows who wrote hebrews.  who ever it is does not have the authority to contradict Jesus.

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The book of Hebrews quotes extensively from the Old Testament. Paul, as a Pharisee, would have been familiar with the Scripture in its original Hebrew language. In other letters, Paul either quotes the Masoretic Text (the original Hebrew) or paraphrases it. However, all of the quotes in this epistle are taken out of the Septuagint (the Greek Old Testament), which is inconsistent with Paul’s usage. Finally, Paul was an apostle who claimed to receive his revelations directly from the Lord Jesus (1 Corinthians 11:23; Galatians 1:12). The writer of Hebrews specifically says that he was taught by an apostle (Hebrews 2:3).

Link?
 

ROG62 » 07 Jul 2024, 4:24 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2024, 4:24 pm

Yep...aka birthing pangs...yet nary a mention of reincarnation...

that  was over 2000 years ago and Christ said they would  not pass away until  then

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part two-----  matthew  24-31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

ROG62 » 07 Jul 2024, 4:24 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2024, 4:24 pm

Yep...aka birthing pangs...yet nary a mention of reincarnation...

peter 2  3 Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” 5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
 
 

jerrab » 07 Jul 2024, 5:17 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2024, 5:17 pm

peter 2  3 Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” 5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

Which STILL has >>>NOTHING<<< to do with reincarnation nor your rant has anything to do with my salvation..  
 

jerrab » 07 Jul 2024, 5:14 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2024, 5:14 pm

that  was over 2000 years ago and Christ said they would  not pass away until  then

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part two-----  matthew  24-31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Not their generation, but the one experiencing the birthing pangs...  
 

ROG62 » 07 Jul 2024, 5:32 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2024, 5:32 pm

Not their generation, but the one experiencing the birthing pangs...

no, their generation,

ROG62 » 07 Jul 2024, 5:32 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2024, 5:32 pm

Not their generation, but the one experiencing the birthing pangs...

birthing pains are not even mentioned.

-------------part two-----  matthew  24-31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

jerrab » 07 Jul 2024, 5:47 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2024, 5:47 pm

birthing pains are not even mentioned.

-------------part two-----  matthew  24-31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

What are you getting at?   

Read Matthew 24...8 to be specific...
 
 

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=NIV
 Matthew 20:1-16
New International VersionThe Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard20 “For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire workers for his vineyard. 2 He agreed to pay them a denarius[a] for the day and sent them into his vineyard.3 “About nine in the morning he went out and saw others standing in the marketplace doing nothing. 4 He told them, ‘You also go and work in my vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.’ 

jerrab » 07 Jul 2024, 5:53 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2024, 5:53 pm

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=NIV

You're delusional....  
 

jerrab » 07 Jul 2024, 5:53 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2024, 5:53 pm

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=NIV

Nothing but a prodigal son retell...

ROG62 » 07 Jul 2024, 5:55 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2024, 5:55 pm

You're delusional....

-------------------------------------------------20 “For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire workers for his vineyard. 2 He agreed to pay them a denarius[a] for the day and sent them into his vineyard.3 “About nine in the morning he went out and saw others standing in the marketplace doing nothing. 4 He told them, ‘You also go and work in my vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.’ 5 So they went.“He went out again about noon and about three in the afternoon and did the same thing. 6 About five in the afternoon he went out and found still others standing around. He asked them, ‘Why have you been standing here all day long doing nothing?’7 “‘Because no one has hired us,’ they answered.“He said to them, ‘You also go and work in my vineyard.’8 “When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, ‘Call the workers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last ones hired and going on to the first.’9 “The workers who were hired about five in the afternoon came and each received a denarius. 10 So when those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius. 11 When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner. 12 ‘These who were hired last worked only one hour,’ they said, ‘and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.’13 “But he answered one of them, ‘I am not being unfair to you, friend. Didn’t you agree to work for a denarius? 14 Take your pay and go. I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you. 15 Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?’16 “So the last will be first, and the first will be last.”    

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you want to tell God what to do,  who to reward or not to reward like the workers in the vineyard did,

 

WTF are you ranting about? what am I telling God to do? specifically...

ROG62 » 07 Jul 2024, 5:56 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2024, 5:56 pm

Nothing but a prodigal son retell...

nothing like the prodigal son.

ROG62 » 07 Jul 2024, 6:51 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2024, 6:51 pm

WTF are you ranting about? what am I telling God to do? specifically...

the workers did not complain until the end of the day.

jerra b » 07 Jul 2024, 7:37 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2024, 7:37 pm

the workers did not complain until the end of the day.

Management complains the rest of the time workers aren't doing their fair share of making humanity work tomorrow.

ROG62 » 07 Jul 2024, 5:55 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2024, 5:55 pm

You're delusional....

show where Christ says we have only one life.