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jerrab » 07 Jul 2024, 7:34 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2024, 7:34 pm

nothing like the prodigal son.

It's exactly like it...

jerrab » 07 Jul 2024, 7:37 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2024, 7:37 pm

the workers did not complain until the end of the day.

How does that relate?
 

jerrab » 07 Jul 2024, 9:14 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2024, 9:14 pm

show where Christ says we have only one life.

show where Christ says we have unlimited lives...

ROG62 » 07 Jul 2024, 9:20 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2024, 9:20 pm

It's exactly like it...

explain how

ROG62 » 07 Jul 2024, 9:22 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2024, 9:22 pm

show where Christ says we have unlimited lives...

matthew 28  The Great Commission16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

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they would not be 2,000 year old men.
 

ROG62 » 07 Jul 2024, 5:55 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2024, 5:55 pm

You're delusional....

delusional are those who think all they need to be is saved to go to heaven--------

matthew 25  The Sheep and the Goats  31  “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
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and the amount of hungry people show that there a lot of delusional people, there are churches everywhere

 
 

jerra b » 07 Jul 2024, 9:14 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2024, 9:14 pm

show where Christ says we have only one life.

Jesus was inaccurate same as you are here living 101 generations after his death giving everyone alive free advice on reasonable doubt following the same mistakes he led people to believe in seeking better tomorrows than life provides adapting to the moment here living as physically eternally separated now.

Moses, Confuseus, Jesus, Mohammad all did the same thing. Einstein misled people as well. everyone saving humanity didn't want corruption corrected. I do and nobody believes me.

Correcting corruption doesn't remove how societies came up with ways to make believe and stay in balance when instinctive honesty is allowed in every arena of ideas. The universal constant of compounding events in chronological order regardless inorganic results eroding and cellular ancestries arriving one rotation and leaving a completely different shape departing in ancestral changes of population daily.

I do as many human errors as anyone ever alive, but I have done one thing nobody else will do, I changed my nurtured mind and reverted to navigating space like tomorrow never happens and compounding chromosomes per reproduction never duplicates an ancestor already existed for the ones directly adding the next generation gap arriving each great great grandchild born today.

jerrab » 07 Jul 2024, 9:37 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2024, 9:37 pm

explain how

the reward is the same whether a lifelong (son at home / all day workers) or deathbed (prodigal son / late afternoon hire) believer...
 

jerrab » 08 Jul 2024, 1:15 am » wrote: ↑

08 Jul 2024, 1:15 am

delusional are those who think all they need to be is saved to go to heaven--------

matthew 25  The Sheep and the Goats  31  “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
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and the amount of hungry people show that there a lot of delusional people, there are churches everywhere

Isn't the subject reincarnation?

jerrab » 07 Jul 2024, 9:48 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2024, 9:48 pm

matthew 28  The Great Commission16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

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they would not be 2,000 year old men.

Matthew 26 "with God, all things are possible..."
 

ROG62 » 08 Jul 2024, 6:00 am » wrote: ↑

08 Jul 2024, 6:00 am

Isn't the subject reincarnation?

Why do people believe reincarnation is possible? Life continues in plain sight where everything here is never same form again, day in and day out of adapting forward now.

that is the first actual sign genetics has always been eternally separating everything evolving as ancestrally here today. One species figured out a way to use that against everyone else in their own species practicing it every generation gap since corruption started at dawn of civilization creating humanity is larger than adapting here today.

the faith in tomorrow corrupts everyone alive and willing to sacrifice biological time evolving to pretend life is governed by supernatural entities or extraterrestrial beings.

Creationism vs evolution theory life exceeds the natural atmosphere of living here today evolving into separate individual wholes in the whole process happening since the universe became a perpetual balancing outcome now. Everything of form or shape is never same total sum again in its cycle occupying space here in its cycle be it combined periodic elements universally positioned in one universal location ancestrally present this rotation equally timed apart.

Balancing is the key.

jerrab » 05 Jul 2024, 3:11 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2024, 3:11 pm

if  they were known to be innocent they would be free.

Jesus taught of a kinder God than the old testament.

You asked about forgiven people...not innocent people.  Just in case you don't know, those two are not the same.

Damn...you are a *******.
 

ConsRule » 08 Jul 2024, 6:25 am » wrote: ↑

08 Jul 2024, 6:25 am

You asked about forgiven people...not innocent people.  Just in case you don't know, those two are not the same.

Damn...you are a *******.
 

People that choose to believe life isn't self evident gave away their innocence believing they aren't alive as eternally separated since conceived to replace their 30 biological chromosome makers in the previous 4 generation gaps delivering 93.75% their unique chromosomes in their DNA both dominant genes and recessive genes from generation gaps previous to last 5th back to inception of their ancestral lineage.

5th prior generation gap only has 3.125% total chromosomes of each ancestor living forward today regardless it became 1 of 2 parents, 1 of 4 grandparents, on of 8 great great grandparents to each great great grandchild born this rotation conceived 0-9 months prior to birth.

ROG62 » 08 Jul 2024, 6:05 am » wrote: ↑

08 Jul 2024, 6:05 am

Matthew 26 "with God, all things are possible..."

luke 16   19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
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with God all things are possible refers to this,
 

matthew 19

23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”

25 When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?”

26 Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
 

ROG62 » 08 Jul 2024, 6:00 am » wrote: ↑

08 Jul 2024, 6:00 am

Isn't the subject reincarnation?

if Jesus were to come today and see all the hungry people and all the rich people not caring, how many would really go to heaven? 

jerrab » 08 Jul 2024, 12:48 pm » wrote: ↑

08 Jul 2024, 12:48 pm

luke 16   19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
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with God all things are possible refers to this,

There isn't anything GOD cannot do...

if He can raise the dead, He can bring Elijah and Moses to the wailing wall during the tribulation...
 

ROG62 » 08 Jul 2024, 5:59 am » wrote: ↑

08 Jul 2024, 5:59 am

the reward is the same whether a lifelong (son at home / all day workers) or deathbed (prodigal son / late afternoon hire) believer...

he Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard20 “For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire workers for his vineyard. 2 He agreed to pay them a denarius[a] for the day and sent them into his vineyard.3 “About nine in the morning he went out and saw others standing in the marketplace doing nothing. 4 He told them, ‘You also go and work in my vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.’ 5 So they went.“He went out again about noon and about three in the afternoon and did the same thing. 6 About five in the afternoon he went out and found still others standing around. He asked them, ‘Why have you been standing here all day long doing nothing?’7 “‘Because no one has hired us,’ they answered.“He said to them, ‘You also go and work in my vineyard.’8 “When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, ‘Call the workers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last ones hired and going on to the first.’9 “The workers who were hired about five in the afternoon came and each received a denarius. 10 So when those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius. 11 When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner. 12 ‘These who were hired last worked only one hour,’ they said, ‘and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.’13 “But he answered one of them, ‘I am not being unfair to you, friend. Didn’t you agree to work for a denarius? 14 Take your pay and go. I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you. 15 Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?’16 “So the last will be first, and the first will be last.”--------------

the first hired workers were matthew john and the rest.

matthew 20

ROG62 » 08 Jul 2024, 12:56 pm » wrote: ↑

08 Jul 2024, 12:56 pm

There isn't anything GOD cannot do...

if He can raise the dead, He can bring Elijah and Moses to the wailing wall during the tribulation...

likewise He gives all people other chances even those born in the 17th 16th century etc.

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peter 23 Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” 5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

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