being dead and asleep are one in the same...AFAIC...jerrab » 12 Jul 2024, 2:20 pm » wrote: ↑ I looked to see which is true, the dead are asleep until judgement day or people go to heaven or hell at death. neither is true. there will be a judgement but the dead have not slept until judgement day. the workers in the vineyard is the explanation that Christ gives, and it shows that no one stops working until the final day,
I will go one step further..... churches don't really care who goes to heaven. otherwise they would implore people to be more generous and the amount of hungry people reflect that churches are not concerned enough to warn the people to be more generous and caring. the catholic church allows, even encourages animal torture with bullfighting and that is something Christ did not like and would hate to see bulls tormented to death for the enjoyment of evil people.
---------------------------Fiesta de San Fermín, festival held annually in Pamplona, Spain, beginning at noon on July 6 and ending at midnight on July 14, honouring the city's first bishop and patron saint, Saint Fermín. The festival was originally observed on Saint Fermín's feast day, September 25, but in 1592 the celebration was moved to July.--------------------
------------------------The best-known part of the festival is the running of the bulls, or the encierro. From July 7 to July 14 the bulls to be used in the daily bullfights are run through the streets of the town to the bullring. Both locals and tourists participate in the event, made famous in Ernest Hemingway’s 1926 novel The Sun Also Rises. The bullfight, or corrida, is held every afternoon. In addition to the secular events, the Procession of Saint Fermín, a religious celebration, takes place the morning of July 7. Other events associated with the fiesta include the comparsa, a parade featuring large puppets carried by the marchers, as well as numerous parties and spontaneous gatherings. The festival ends on July 14 with the singing of “Pobre de Mi” (“Old Poor Me”).-------------------
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Fiesta ... 0to%20July.
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"Try to get past your passionate ignorance and learn to accept what actually happened." ~ brown's unheeded words of wisdom ecclesiastes12
mark 12
Correct, the dead are forever separated from Him after judgment...while the living will be with Him..jerrab » 12 Jul 2024, 8:58 pm » wrote: ↑ mark 12
26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?27 He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.
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"Try to get past your passionate ignorance and learn to accept what actually happened." ~ brown's unheeded words of wisdom at judgement...jerrab » 12 Jul 2024, 8:39 pm » wrote: ↑ ecclesiastes12
Remember him—before the silver cord is severed,
and the golden bowl is broken;
before the pitcher is shattered at the spring,
and the wheel broken at the well,
7 and the dust returns to the ground it came from,
and the spirit returns to God who gave it
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“Show me the man and I’ll find you the crime” ~ LAVRENTIY BERIA
"Try to get past your passionate ignorance and learn to accept what actually happened." ~ brown's unheeded words of wisdom Judgement is making choices that result forward in combinations of all previous choices made as a species. The eternal conflict is minding ideas cradle to grave every generation until extinction or accepting genetics eternally separates each ancestor alive today each rotation is called tomorrow in each vernacular tribalism reality here today.ROG62 » 13 Jul 2024, 7:02 am » wrote: ↑ Correct, the dead are forever separated from Him after judgment...while the living will be with Him..
mark 12 24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?27 He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.ROG62 » 13 Jul 2024, 7:02 am » wrote: ↑ Correct, the dead are forever separated from Him after judgment...while the living will be with Him..
luke 20 36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.37 Now that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.38 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto himROG62 » 13 Jul 2024, 7:02 am » wrote: ↑ Correct, the dead are forever separated from Him after judgment...while the living will be with Him..
In Acts 24:15 Paul says, "There shall certainly be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked." John 5:28-29 says, "For an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs shall hear His voice, and shall come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment." The Scriptural teaching, then, is that for those who reject the gospel hell involves both spiritual and physical anguish: "And do not fear those who kill the body, but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell" (Matthew 10:28).jerrab » 13 Jul 2024, 8:23 am » wrote: ↑ luke 20 36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.37 Now that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.38 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him
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"Try to get past your passionate ignorance and learn to accept what actually happened." ~ brown's unheeded words of wisdom that was before the crucifixionROG62 » 13 Jul 2024, 4:52 pm » wrote: ↑ In Acts 24:15 Paul says, "There shall certainly be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked." John 5:28-29 says, "For an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs shall hear His voice, and shall come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment." The Scriptural teaching, then, is that for those who reject the gospel hell involves both spiritual and physical anguish: "And do not fear those who kill the body, but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell" (Matthew 10:28).
what would good deeds entail?ROG62 » 13 Jul 2024, 4:52 pm » wrote: ↑ In Acts 24:15 Paul says, "There shall certainly be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked." John 5:28-29 says, "For an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs shall hear His voice, and shall come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment." The Scriptural teaching, then, is that for those who reject the gospel hell involves both spiritual and physical anguish: "And do not fear those who kill the body, but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell" (Matthew 10:28).
Now you are discussing the Bible?maineman » 02 Jul 2024, 5:41 pm » wrote: ↑ Ezekiel 23 would be fun to read to fifth graders, don't you think? And FYI, the directive made special emphasis on the Ten Commandments, a passage from the OLD Testament, like Ezekiel.
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"Try to get past your passionate ignorance and learn to accept what actually happened." ~ brown's unheeded words of wisdom Whatever is deemed righteous in God's eye...
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"Try to get past your passionate ignorance and learn to accept what actually happened." ~ brown's unheeded words of wisdom One franchise of humanity's storyline ancestrally performed every generation gap that adopted it since.jerra b » 13 Jul 2024, 9:25 pm » wrote: ↑ that was before the crucifixion
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matthew 2750 And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit.51 At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split 52 and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53 They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and[e] went into the holy city and appeared to many people.54 When the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the earthquake and all that had happened, they were terrified, and exclaimed, “Surely he was the Son of God!”
Like I said, that's up to God to judge because we will fool ourselves if we decide what is good, righteous and enough...
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-----------------------------------------------------------James 2:14-26ROG62 » 14 Jul 2024, 9:15 am » wrote: ↑ Like I said, that's up to God to judge because we will fool ourselves if we decide what is good, righteous and enough...