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maineman » 09 Jul 2024, 9:37 am » wrote: ↑

09 Jul 2024, 9:37 am

IMHO, the only portion of his job that he is failing at is public speaking. I can live with a president who is not a silver-tongued glib orator.  I cannot live with a president who brags about killing Roe, who is the driving force for Project 2025, who is an amoral skunk, and who urged a mob to break into the capitol and overthrow our democracy. 

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maineman » 09 Jul 2024, 10:58 am » wrote: ↑

09 Jul 2024, 10:58 am

So, when I stated correctly that Trump had bragged about ending Roe, was that a lie, or was it, somehow, SPIN?  Your post indicated it was one of the other.

I'll wait.

And clearly, you had other things to do on January 6th.  I am retired and watched the entire speech from the Ellipse and the attack on the capitol.  Clearly, you formed a different impression of the events of that day from the sanitized excerpts on Faux News.

I didn't say it was a lie, wannabe wordsmithy.

I saw it in the break room.  Nice try, old geezer.

And here we go with the FOX News diversion.  You got nuttin', Wannabe WordSmith.

You write off Biden's mental deficits are as a public speaking issues.  That's one of the dumbest things you have ever posted.  And that list is long.  Next, even the News Media you have shoved down our throats for years are calling for him to step down,  Democrat politicians are doing the same, and voters have much trepidation over voting for him.  All of those are the people you need to argue with, Wannabe WordSmith.  Go argue with them as you attack FOX News.

One more thing,  @maineman  

The speech you saw was given at a place about a  20 minutes walk from the capital.  The riot started BEFORE the speech was over.

maineman » 09 Jul 2024, 10:58 am » wrote: ↑

09 Jul 2024, 10:58 am

So, when I stated correctly that Trump had bragged about ending Roe, was that a lie, or was it, somehow, SPIN?  Your post indicated it was one of the other.

I'll wait.

And clearly, you had other things to do on January 6th.  I am retired and watched the entire speeches from the Ellipse and the attack on the capitol enfold, all day long.  Clearly, you formed a different impression of the events of that day from the sanitized excerpts on Faux News.

he didn't say he wanted to end abortion. Stop **** lying.

maineman » 09 Jul 2024, 10:58 am » wrote: ↑

09 Jul 2024, 10:58 am

So, when I stated correctly that Trump had bragged about ending Roe, was that a lie, or was it, somehow, SPIN?  Your post indicated it was one of the other.

I'll wait.

And clearly, you had other things to do on January 6th.  I am retired and watched the entire speech from the Ellipse and the attack on the capitol enfold, all day long.  Clearly, you formed a different impression of the events of that day from the sanitized excerpts on Faux News.

From CNN.  I also have others on this thread:

Many Democrats say conclusions drawn from the House Democratic caucus meeting, followed by a Senate Democrats’ gathering, will likely seal his fate
Party officials tell CNN Biden’s candidacy risks irreparable damage by intra-party war
Biden will hold a news conference on Thursday, his first since poor debate performance
Analysis Biden under scrutiny at NATO summit
Former Obama adviser weighs in on Biden’s forcefully worded letter 1:58
Opinion It’s time to find out whether Biden has cognitive impairment or not

*Huey » 09 Jul 2024, 11:21 am » wrote: ↑

09 Jul 2024, 11:21 am

From CNN.  I also have others on this thread:

Many Democrats say conclusions drawn from the House Democratic caucus meeting, followed by a Senate Democrats’ gathering, will likely seal his fate
Party officials tell CNN Biden’s candidacy risks irreparable damage by intra-party war
Biden will hold a news conference on Thursday, his first since poor debate performance
Analysis Biden under scrutiny at NATO summit
Former Obama adviser weighs in on Biden’s forcefully worded letter 1:58
Opinion It’s time to find out whether Biden has cognitive impairment or not

nice dodge of the question about Roe.  

maineman » 09 Jul 2024, 11:23 am » wrote: ↑

09 Jul 2024, 11:23 am

nice dodge of the question about Roe.

STFU ***

maineman » 09 Jul 2024, 11:23 am » wrote: ↑

09 Jul 2024, 11:23 am

nice dodge of the question about Roe.

I have answered your questions on Roe twice.  I suggest you check your notifications.  You missed some new posts.

But, to that post, the MSM is in lie with Fox News.

*Huey » 09 Jul 2024, 11:08 am » wrote: ↑

09 Jul 2024, 11:08 am

One more thing,  @maineman  

The speech you saw was given at a place about a  20 minutes walk from the capital.  The riot started BEFORE the speech was over.

The speech was 45 minutes long, and there were other speakers before Trump. The vanguard knew what they came to do, and  Trump told them it would be "wild."  They get enough red meat from him early on that they couldn't wait until he was done to start smashing the heads of capitol policemen.

maineman » 09 Jul 2024, 11:26 am » wrote: ↑

09 Jul 2024, 11:26 am

The speech was 45 minutes long, and there were other speakers before Trump. The vanguard knew what they came to do, and  Trump told them it would be "wild."  They get enough red meat from him early on that they couldn't wait until he was done to start smashing the heads of capitol policemen.

Nice diversion.

Exactly where did he say storm the capital?  You post that I will take a month off, Wannabe WordSmithy.

*Huey » 09 Jul 2024, 11:04 am » wrote: ↑

09 Jul 2024, 11:04 am

I didn't say it was a lie, wannabe wordsmithy.


 

I said Trump bragged about ending Roe.

YOU said, and I quote, "Now that is some high quality spin and lies."

So which was it?  I can show you a videotape of him saying EXACTLY that.  How can that be spin?  

 

maineman » 09 Jul 2024, 11:30 am » wrote: ↑

09 Jul 2024, 11:30 am

I said Trump bragged about ending Roe.

YOU said, and I quote, "Now that is some high quality spin and lies."

So which was it?  I can show you a videotape of him saying EXACTLY that.  How can that be spin?

I already answered that question.  I did not say it was a lie.  I have posted that 3 times.

How many time must I answer, Wannabe WordSmithy?

*Huey » 09 Jul 2024, 11:27 am » wrote: ↑

09 Jul 2024, 11:27 am

Nice diversion.

Exactly where did he say storm the capital [sic]?  You post that I will take a month off, Wannabe WordSmithy.

He doesn't have to use the word "storm" to convey his meaning.  He and his opening acts got them grunting and hopping and frothing at the mouth like the chimpanzees in the opening scene of 2001: A Space Odyssey.... and they went and tried to do what he asked them to do:   take their country back by disrupting the constitutionally mandated peaceful transfer of power.
 

*Huey » 09 Jul 2024, 11:31 am » wrote: ↑

09 Jul 2024, 11:31 am

I already answered that question.  I did not say it was a lie.  I have posted that 3 times.

How many time must I answer, Wannabe WordSmithy?

So it was spin.  Your post said my post was lies and spin. If it's not a lie, then you're saying it's spin. And how can a videotape be "spun," grasshopper?

maineman » 09 Jul 2024, 10:58 am » wrote: ↑

09 Jul 2024, 10:58 am

So, when I stated correctly that Trump had bragged about ending Roe, was that a lie, or was it, somehow, SPIN?  Your post indicated it was one of the other.

I'll wait.

And clearly, you had other things to do on January 6th.  I am retired and watched the entire speech from the Ellipse and the attack on the capitol enfold, all day long.  Clearly, you formed a different impression of the events of that day from the sanitized excerpts on Faux News.

So tell me.  When did Trump have a vote on the Supreme Court?  Which vote was HIS in the 6-3 decision?
Understand, I have no problem with Trump stating he killed off Roe, but the fact is that nominating justices to the SC does not guarantee they will vote the way the president prefers, does it?
And the fact it that ending Roe was nothing more that the majority finally recognizing the fact that correctly interpreting the Constitution REQUIRES that the 10th Amendment be adhered to, since nowhere in the Constitution can you find the word 'abortion' listed anywhere.  Now, if you want to blame Trump for choosing to nominate justices that believe in the sanctity of the Constitution, then you have no understanding of the job of the Judicial branch of government.  So your problem amounts to nothing more than the fact that you want the Constitution to be ignored by the SC when it suits your personal liberal desires, and you DON'T believe in state's rights, do you?
 

Zeets2 » 09 Jul 2024, 11:36 am » wrote: ↑

09 Jul 2024, 11:36 am

So tell me.  When did Trump have a vote on the Supreme Court?  Which vote was HIS in the 6-3 decision?
Understand, I have no problem with Trump stating he killed off Roe, but the fact is that nominating justices to the SC does not guarantee they will vote the way the president prefers, does it?
And the fact it that ending Roe was nothing more that the majority finally recognizing the fact that correctly interpreting the Constitution REQUIRES that the 10th Amendment be adhered to, since nowhere in the Constitution can you find the word 'abortion' listed anywhere.  Now, if you want to blame Trump for choosing to nominate justices that believe in the sanctity of the Constitution, then you have no understanding of the job of the Judicial branch of government.  So your problem amounts to nothing more than the fact that you want the Constitution to be ignored by the SC when it suits your personal liberal desires, and you DON'T believe in state's rights, do you?

Cool spin.  Look at every election since Dobbs was decided, and then try preaching that happy **** to the WOMEN of America who can read the **** writing on the wall and KNOW that the Handmaid's Tale is just around the corner.  

Tell me @Zeets2 ... are you a lawyer?    For over half a century, many SCOTUS justices believed that Roe was a good decision.  Are you claiming to be smarter than all of them? 

maineman » 09 Jul 2024, 11:34 am » wrote: ↑

09 Jul 2024, 11:34 am

He doesn't have to use the word "storm" to convey his meaning.  He and his opening acts got them grunting and hopping and frothing at the mouth like the chimpanzees in the opening scene of 2001: A Space Odyssey.... and they went and tried to do what he asked them to do:   take their country back by disrupting the constitutionally mandated peaceful transfer of power.

Huh, interesting.

With Obama on stage Kimmy Hoffa Jr:

“We got to keep an eye on the battle that we face: The war on workers. And you see it everywhere, it is the Tea Party. And you know, there is only one way to beat and win that war. The one thing about working people is we like a good fight. And you know what? They’ve got a war, they got a war with us and there’s only going to be one winner. It’s going to be the workers of Michigan, and America. We’re going to win that war,” Hoffa told thousands of workers gathered for the annual Labor Day rally.“President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march… Everybody here’s got a vote…Let’s take these sons of bitches out and give America back to an America where we belong,” he concluded.

https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2 ... itches-out

Maxine Waters concerning Trump Administration Cabinet Members:

“Let’s make sure we show up wherever we have to show up. And if you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd. And you push back on them. And you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere. We’ve got to get the children connected to their parents,” Waters said at the Wilshire Federal Building, according to video of the event.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/25/politics ... index.html

Waters calls for protesters to ‘get more confrontational’ if no guilty verdict is reached in Derek Chauvin trial

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/19/politics ... index.html

The Schumer quote that triggered Roberts’s reply is this: “I want to tell you Gorsuch. I want to tell you Kavanaugh. You have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price. You won’t know what hit you if you go forward with these awful decisions.”

https://www.vox.com/2020/3/5/21165479/c ... ind-threat

Spare me your tears.
 

maineman » 09 Jul 2024, 11:35 am » wrote: ↑

09 Jul 2024, 11:35 am

So it was spin.  Your post said my post was lies and spin. If it's not a lie, then you're saying it's spin. And how can a videotape be "spun," grasshopper?

Not saying that either.  You can have one nugget of truth buried in a post that is basically spin and lies.

Here is another  @maineman  


“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama said at a fundraiser in Philadelphia Friday, according to pool reports.


https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing ... ing-a-gun/




 

*Huey » 09 Jul 2024, 11:43 am » wrote: ↑

09 Jul 2024, 11:43 am

Huh, interesting.

With Obama on stage Kimmy Hoffa Jr:

“We got to keep an eye on the battle that we face: The war on workers. And you see it everywhere, it is the Tea Party. And you know, there is only one way to beat and win that war. The one thing about working people is we like a good fight. And you know what? They’ve got a war, they got a war with us and there’s only going to be one winner. It’s going to be the workers of Michigan, and America. We’re going to win that war,” Hoffa told thousands of workers gathered for the annual Labor Day rally.“President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march… Everybody here’s got a vote…Let’s take these sons of bitches out and give America back to an America where we belong,” he concluded.

Maxine Waters concerning Trump Administration Cabinet Members:

“Let’s make sure we show up wherever we have to show up. And if you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd. And you push back on them. And you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere. We’ve got to get the children connected to their parents,” Waters said at the Wilshire Federal Building
Waters calls for protesters to ‘get more confrontational’ if no guilty verdict is reached in Derek Chauvin trial

The Schumer quote that triggered Roberts’s reply is this: “I want to tell you Gorsuch. I want to tell you Kavanaugh. You have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price. You won’t know what hit you if you go forward with these awful decisions.”

Spare me your tears.

Ya know what's odd?  

Nowhere do I see any of those democrats asking their audience to disrupt the constitutionally mandated transfer of power.

hmmmmm