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BuckNaked » 09 Jul 2024, 12:40 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jul 2024, 12:40 pm

why are the polls still close?   I mean it should be a wide margin in trumps favor WTF

3 things.  All the propaganda about Trump.  Those like mailman who are in denial. And those like BV who don't really care about the country that would vote for a Turnip if they felt it would beat Trump..

 

BuckNaked » 09 Jul 2024, 12:40 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jul 2024, 12:40 pm

why are the polls still close?   I mean it should be a wide margin in trumps favor WTF

It's my opinion that at this point, it may very well be that pollsters DO NOT want Biden replaced in the coming election, and releasing a poll that shows Biden is improving against Trump will lessen the calls from within his own party to dump his senile ***!

All too often, we have found that pollsters would rather DIRECT public opinion where they want it, rather than REFLECT the actual views of the country.  It's not a very difficult thing to do to "guide" those polls where they want them to go, according to their agenda.  And it WILL change as Election day draws nearer and those pollsters become concerned with their own reliability and accuracy.
 

Zeets2 » 09 Jul 2024, 12:47 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jul 2024, 12:47 pm

It's my opinion that at this point, it may very well be that pollsters DO NOT want Biden replaced in the coming election, and releasing a poll that shows Biden is improving against Trump will lessen the calls from within his own party to dump his senile ***!

All too often, we have found that pollsters would rather DIRECT public opinion where they want it, rather than REFLECT the actual views of the country.  It's not a very difficult thing to do to "guide" those polls where they want them to go, according to their agenda.  And it WILL change as Election day draws nearer and those pollsters become concerned with their own reliability and accuracy.

Ok what’s your guess on the total vote the 2 candidates receive nationally in %?

BuckNaked » 09 Jul 2024, 12:50 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jul 2024, 12:50 pm

Ok what’s your guess on the total vote the 2 candidates receive nationally in %?

Well, before you can do that we have to figure out how many dead people, illegals, and how many multiple voters there are.     
 

BuckNaked » 09 Jul 2024, 12:50 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jul 2024, 12:50 pm

Ok what’s your guess on the total vote the 2 candidates receive nationally in %?

I never bother looking at the nationwide totals of ANY presidential election.
Once the population-dense states of CA, NY, IL, and NJ are no longer needed to elect a president, the remaining states will ALWAYS be overly represented by the popular vote, and they have become irrelevant.  And that's why the actual vote ALWAYS shows the Republican party at a loss UNTIL the electoral vote totals are reflected by the polls.
 

Zeets2 » 09 Jul 2024, 12:28 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jul 2024, 12:28 pm

So it's your ignorant opinion that there should never be societal changes in a country throughout history? 
That we should still today segregate blacks in schools?
Or that we should still put American citizens in internment camps?
How about allowing gays to marry?  Or is that something you DIDN'T want to see overturned so you couldn't marry your boyfriend?
Like it better when interracial couples were banned from getting married or should that SC law not have been overturned?
Did you prefer it when the SC determined that engaging in homosexual behavior was a crime?

Some consistency, PLEASE!  
Or you can continue to spew the same idiocy that left you digging such a deep hole for yourself!

Where do you get that strange flight of fancy?  I merely think that an uber-conservative SCOTUS rolled back women's rights, and the GOP has paid for it in the midterms, every special election, and every referendum vote since Dobbs was passed.  Changes made by SCOTUS don't automatically mean that they were changed for the better.   Abortion is not going to somehow be LESS of an issue for American women in 2024.  Trump is still proud of killing Roe, and women will not forget that statement of pride.   

Zeets2 » 09 Jul 2024, 1:03 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jul 2024, 1:03 pm

I never bother looking at the nationwide totals of ANY presidential election.
Once the population-dense states of CA, NY, IL, and NJ are no longer needed to elect a president, the remaining states will ALWAYS be overly represented by the popular vote, and they have become irrelevant.  And that's why the actual vote ALWAYS shows the Republican party at a loss UNTIL the electoral vote totals are reflected by the polls.

how'd that work out for ya in 2020?

*Huey » 09 Jul 2024, 12:22 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jul 2024, 12:22 pm

That's how you dismissed it.  So you are saying you have issues with what they said.  Explain why.

I don't approve of any speech that casts more heat than light, regardless of the speaker's political affiliation.

maineman » 09 Jul 2024, 1:22 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jul 2024, 1:22 pm

how'd that work out for ya in 2020?

Big difference. In 2020 a basement campaign was run by the dems.  You can't do that this time.  Plus, you also had the MSM on your side.  Not so much this time.
 
 

maineman » 09 Jul 2024, 1:23 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jul 2024, 1:23 pm

I don't approve of any speech that casts more heat than light, regardless of the speaker's political affiliation.

Maineman...

Did you hear?

No American soldiers has died under Biden?

You're a military guy...
How'd you feel about that?
 
 

maineman » 09 Jul 2024, 1:22 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jul 2024, 1:22 pm

how'd that work out for ya in 2020?

I never said it was a cure for voter fraud, did I?
 

maineman » 09 Jul 2024, 1:23 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jul 2024, 1:23 pm

I don't approve of any speech that casts more heat than light, regardless of the speaker's political affiliation.

Damn, that was like pulling teeth.

But you have to admit that both in the examples I gave AND with what Trump said was nothing but political rhetoric

*Huey » 09 Jul 2024, 1:26 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jul 2024, 1:26 pm

Damn, that was like pulling teeth.

But you have to admit that both in the examples I gave AND with what Trump said was nothing but political rhetoric

Ask Maineman if any soldiers have died under Biden's watch..

Biden said ZERO have died
 

*Huey » 09 Jul 2024, 12:21 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jul 2024, 12:21 pm

Which we hadn't been talking about for a while now.

Take your country back has been a slogan for both sides for years.  And no they, were not planning on hanging him.  You gotta be **** with me.  You can't possibly be that STOOPID.  I spelled it that way just in case you are so you can sound it out.

Of course, we had.  It was one of the small list of items in my post that you said were SPIN AND LIES.  It was neither.  Project 2025 has had Trump's fingerprints all over it from the jump.

When the crowd was chanting HANG MIKE PENCE, you're saying that they really meant they liked him so much and enjoyed his company so much that they wanted to go HANG WITH MIKE PENCE.

Got it.      

 

@maineman  

Speaking of Biden's mental deficiencies how many service members have died on Biden's watch?  Biden says none.  Do you agree with him?

*Huey » 09 Jul 2024, 1:26 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jul 2024, 1:26 pm

Damn, that was like pulling teeth.

But you have to admit that both in the examples I gave AND with what Trump said was nothing but political rhetoric

I admit nothing of the sort.  His political rhetoric was a call to immediate action.  Pence was about to certify the election.  Trump urged them to stop that from happening. 

*Huey » 09 Jul 2024, 1:29 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jul 2024, 1:29 pm

@maineman  

Speaking of Biden's mental deficiencies how many service members have died on Biden's watch?  Biden says none.  Do you agree with him?

a hell of a lot less than died under Dubya.

maineman » 09 Jul 2024, 1:28 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jul 2024, 1:28 pm

Of course, we had.  It was one of the small list of items in my post that you said were SPIN AND LIES.  It was neither.  Project 2025 has had Trump's fingerprints all over it from the jump.

When the crowd was chanting HANG MIKE PENCE, you're saying that they really meant they liked him so much and enjoyed his company so much that they wanted to go HANG WITH MIKE PENCE.

Got it.    

1.  Project 2025.  In the course of our discussion we were not talking about it for a while.

2.  Let's be real.  There is no **** way those guys were gonna get to Mike Pence, drag him thru the capital, then drag him outside the capital to that rickey scaffold and actually hang him.  It was symbolic, idiot.

If you really believe that I have a bridge in Brooklyn I will sell you and I will allow you to keep the Toll rights.

Zeets2 » 09 Jul 2024, 1:25 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jul 2024, 1:25 pm

I never said it was a cure for voter fraud, did I?

There was no voter fraud in 2020... any rule changes made by the Secretaries of State were politically neutral.

maineman » 09 Jul 2024, 1:21 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jul 2024, 1:21 pm

Where do you get that strange flight of fancy?  I merely think that an uber-conservative SCOTUS rolled back women's rights, and the GOP has paid for it in the midterms, every special election, and every referendum vote since Dobbs was passed.  Changes made by SCOTUS don't automatically mean that they were changed for the better.   Abortion is not going to somehow be LESS of an issue for American women in 2024.  Trump is still proud of killing Roe, and women will not forget that statement of pride.

OK, where is the wording in the Constitution where women were EVER granted the right to abortion?
And Trump should be VERY proud of his requirement that the SC justices he nominated FOLLOW AND INTERPRET the Constitution AS IS THEIR DUTY!
Your heroes never have!
Whether the changes made by the Supreme Court are "for the better" or not IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT and should NEVER be a reason for the SC to intervene!
You STILL have no conception of the PURPOSE of the Supreme Court, do you?