Did you get that revelation while making a killing in the Bakken boom?Cannonpointer » 10 Jul 2024, 6:42 pm » wrote: ↑ Just so ya know, you have NEVER gamed the system. When you THOUGHT you were gaming the system, the system was gaming you. You were going where they put the cheese.
The day I sorted that out, I almost **** myself.
No, before that.dildo_swaggins » 10 Jul 2024, 6:46 pm » wrote: ↑ Did you get that revelation while making a killing in the Bakken boom?
FOS » 10 Jul 2024, 5:47 pm » wrote: ↑ It is different because when someone uses equipment to do something, they are actually doing something. A tangible thing is produced that could be useful to somebody in some way.
if someone is making money simply because they have money, nothing is actually produced.
Just imagine how absurd a country would be if it was composed purely of moneylenders lending their money back and forth on interest. Not a single farmer. The gdp might even be impressive! But everyone starves.
No, actually, in terms of money usage, I gamed them, hands down...Cannonpointer » 10 Jul 2024, 6:42 pm » wrote: ↑ Just so ya know, you have NEVER gamed the system. When you THOUGHT you were gaming the system, the system was gaming you. You were going where they put the cheese.
The day I sorted that out, I almost **** myself.
JuCo 5 percenter...72
“Show me the man and I’ll find you the crime” ~ LAVRENTIY BERIA
"Try to get past your passionate ignorance and learn to accept what actually happened." ~ brown's unheeded words of wisdom Cannonpointer » 10 Jul 2024, 4:45 pm » wrote: ↑ I didn't either.
Not agreement, either.
Just shootin' the ****, right? Just shootin' the ****.
I wasn't, though. Every response I made had the OP in mind.
DeezerShoove » 10 Jul 2024, 7:38 pm » wrote: ↑ And the other extreme is difficult to comprehend: No lenders at all.
Is that even possible or is it plainly a necessary evil that needs better constraints?
FOS » 10 Jul 2024, 7:45 pm » wrote: ↑ Hitler basically eliminated stock markets without any real negative impact on society. If some project needed investment, the state could do it.
DeezerShoove » 10 Jul 2024, 7:43 pm » wrote: ↑ Not me. The OP was merely a thought starter that prompted a question.
Mine wasn't entirely off the topic (like omh or murdock, among others).
But good for you. Just vindictiveness, no name calling. You're getting much better.![]()
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The word you were looking for was sarcasm.
Vindictiveness is in a whole nother trailer park.
You did well and made the best available choices. But you were still on a wheel within a wheel.ROG62 » 10 Jul 2024, 7:41 pm » wrote: ↑ No, actually, in terms of money usage, I gamed them, hands down...
if I pull my credit report, there are 15-20 unused credit cards listed...every one of them borrowed me money as a balance transfer... I had literally thousands in loans and never paid a dime in interest...
when interest rates were favorable (high) I would finance thru my 401k and pay myself the interest...1 point over prime..
while I did borrow for my house, I did refinance 4 times in 2 years without paying any points or upfront fees from 11 to 7% allowing me to accelerate my loan from 30 to 10 years with paying myself the interest the last 2 years via 401k...saving myself well north of 100k in bank interest...
if the interest rates are low and my investments make more, I'll use their monies and if interest rates are high, I'll use mine...
Everything here is definitely rocket science...
Yes, Im optimistic about BRICS, China, Russia....MurQQA, not so much.DeezerShoove » 10 Jul 2024, 7:57 pm » wrote: ↑ It is so ingrained in me (average bloke) that taking banks, credit cards, oh-so-precious credit rating, etc. out of my life, that I cannot understand the details and myriad ways it would impact daily life.
The "service on debt" is nice code for labeling a negative impact on society. That is easy to comprehend as it is eating our country alive before our very eyes.
It's depressing to think the only way out of that is to let the house of cards fall. But that seems inevitable. The elites will just go to sup on the next course somewhere else. Unless I'm reading this wrong.
Is there any reason to cling to optimism?
Do you have a good vendor?DeezerShoove » 10 Jul 2024, 8:06 pm » wrote: ↑ No. C'mon, man. You get quite testicular about stuff.
Flitting around certain shadowy figures without touching down...
I don't mind you calling out the **** though. I believe in you, dickhead.
Example: You float the word "***" all the time. I believe you are not a racist. Wholeheartedly.![]()
And take what I said to the bank: I believe in you, dickhead.
Let's get t-shirts made!
We are not stuck with either having our money issuance stolen or being unable to issue credit. Not as a logical dichotomy, in any event.DeezerShoove » 10 Jul 2024, 7:38 pm » wrote: ↑ And the other extreme is difficult to comprehend: No lenders at all.
Is that even possible or is it plainly a necessary evil that needs better constraints?
The house of cards collapsing is exactly what the optimistic outcome is. The worst possible outcome is that everything just remains **** but somehow survives.DeezerShoove » 10 Jul 2024, 7:57 pm » wrote: ↑ It is so ingrained in me (average bloke) that taking banks, credit cards, oh-so-precious credit rating, etc. out of my life, that I cannot understand the details and myriad ways it would impact daily life.
The "service on debt" is nice code for labeling a negative impact on society. That is easy to comprehend as it is eating our country alive before our very eyes.
It's depressing to think the only way out of that is to let the house of cards fall. But that seems inevitable. The elites will just go to sup on the next course somewhere else. Unless I'm reading this wrong.
Is there any reason to cling to optimism?
Sir, the complete collapse theory is unlikely.FOS » 10 Jul 2024, 8:26 pm » wrote: ↑ The house of cards collapsing is exactly what the optimistic outcome is. The worst possible outcome is that everything just remains **** but somehow survives.
Agreed, however, if you're using someone else's money at zero cost, you're making money because those freed up funds are put to work elsewhere...Cannonpointer » 10 Jul 2024, 8:10 pm » wrote: ↑ You did well and made the best available choices. But you were still on a wheel within a wheel.
The larger wheel was gaming you - but within that game, you made all the best moves.
The best a man can ever do is break even, is what I have always said.
No, wait - that was Hemingway. He said that.
But he only said it thematically, and my chin is jutted and chest puffed in anticipation of anyone trying to confute me on that. Explication is my **** GAME. Ask me about Miniver Cheevy or Richard Cory, I dare ya. I'll explicate the **** out of that ****. I will critique the earl of westmoreland from a castiglionian perspective up in this mother ****.
Anyway, you're quite right, within the context of being quite wrong, breaking you even.
Hemingway would nod in grave approval. Then lift an eyebrow archly.
JuCo 5 percenter...72
“Show me the man and I’ll find you the crime” ~ LAVRENTIY BERIA
"Try to get past your passionate ignorance and learn to accept what actually happened." ~ brown's unheeded words of wisdom Although that is usually what happens, I have reason to hope it might be different with the usa.Sumela » 10 Jul 2024, 9:16 pm » wrote: ↑ Sir, the complete collapse theory is unlikely.
Look at all the countries that were once Empire - the Hegemon at the time.
Italy
Greece
England
Spain
Portugal
Their empires collapsed, but they remain functioning countries...although barely.
Murka's collapse will not be dystopian - we will simply become just another country.
And that is just fine with me.
FOS » 10 Jul 2024, 8:26 pm » wrote: ↑ The house of cards collapsing is exactly what the optimistic outcome is. The worst possible outcome is that everything just remains **** but somehow survives.
If I had kids to prepare for the world, I'm not sure how I'd convey that message.