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I have never considered this perspective and it makes sense. 

The roman empire never really fell. The city did, but not the empire. It just became a church. The Vatican, with a stash of money below it. The Vatican arguably has the same magnitude of power that the Roman Empire had. Different kind of power, but the magnitude and influence on the world is the same. 

Britain's empire never fell. It just became a bank. America broke free, but they kept the money and still has influence on the world. 

We consider America an empire. We say that our empire will soon end. However, what if the American empire already ended and we didn't know it. It isn't an empire, it's now the central headquarters for corporations that are running the world. 

Vegas » 11 Jul 2024, 1:06 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Jul 2024, 1:06 pm

I have never considered this perspective and it makes sense. 

The roman empire never really fell. The city did, but not the empire. It just became a church. The Vatican, with a stash of money below it. The Vatican arguably has the same magnitude of power that the Roman Empire had. Different kind of power, but the magnitude and influence on the world is the same. 

Britain's empire never fell. It just became a bank. America broke free, but they kept the money and still has influence on the world. 

We consider America an empire. We say that our empire will soon end. However, what if the American empire already ended and we didn't know it. It isn't an empire, it's now the central headquarters for corporations that are running the world.

That is some seriously heavy **** right there.

Vegas » 11 Jul 2024, 1:06 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Jul 2024, 1:06 pm

I have never considered this perspective and it makes sense. 

The roman empire never really fell. The city did, but not the empire. It just became a church. The Vatican, with a stash of money below it. The Vatican arguably has the same magnitude of power that the Roman Empire had. Different kind of power, but the magnitude and influence on the world is the same. 

Britain's empire never fell. It just became a bank. America broke free, but they kept the money and still has influence on the world. 

We consider America an empire. We say that our empire will soon end. However, what if the American empire already ended and we didn't know it. It isn't an empire, it's now the central headquarters for corporations that are running the world.

Honey, if my "son" (daughter? abomination?) sees this, it will **** itself!
 

Cannonpointer » 11 Jul 2024, 1:08 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Jul 2024, 1:08 pm

That is some seriously heavy **** right there.

It makes sense. And we know that Jews are behind two of the three. I don't know about the Vatican, but I am sure there ties somewhere. 

Vegas » 11 Jul 2024, 1:16 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Jul 2024, 1:16 pm

It makes sense. And we know that Jews are behind two of the three. I don't know about the Vatican, but I am sure there ties somewhere.

If we accept that paradigm, what, then, do we say about China and Russia? 

Does this America-centered corporatocracy run those countries, as well - and all of the thrusting and parrying is but a puppet show?
 

Blackvegetable'sMom » 11 Jul 2024, 1:11 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Jul 2024, 1:11 pm

Honey, if my "son" (daughter? abomination?) sees this, it will **** itself!

Well, he is a mediocre Wall Street type.

Cannonpointer » 11 Jul 2024, 1:23 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Jul 2024, 1:23 pm

If we accept that paradigm, what, then, do we say about China and Russia? 

Does this America-centered corporatocracy run those countries, as well - and all of the thrusting and parrying is but a puppet show?

Good question. I can't say much about Russia, but China's companies are ranked 6th in the world on the Fortune 500. Russia isn't in the top 10. America is first with a revenue of 7.7 Trillion. The second is Japan at 2.6 Trillion. China at 1.1 trillion. That also shows how America can be considered the central headquarter for corporations. 

https://chinapower.csis.org/chinese-com ... lobal-500/

Vegas » 11 Jul 2024, 1:06 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Jul 2024, 1:06 pm

I have never considered this perspective and it makes sense. 

The roman empire never really fell. The city did, but not the empire. It just became a church. The Vatican, with a stash of money below it. The Vatican arguably has the same magnitude of power that the Roman Empire had. Different kind of power, but the magnitude and influence on the world is the same. 

Britain's empire never fell. It just became a bank. America broke free, but they kept the money and still has influence on the world. 

We consider America an empire. We say that our empire will soon end. However, what if the American empire already ended and we didn't know it. It isn't an empire, it's now the central headquarters for corporations that are running the world.

Very interesting.  I agree and disagree.

The Catholic church is not a Hegemon.  It does not have true empire power and control.
The same for Britian.  Influence is NOT empire.  Influence does not make a Hegemon.
The British would have a lost a war with Ukraine in weeks. 
Their military equipment is old, they cant recruit.  Britain is week.  Banks dont change that.

Italy and Great Britian are tiny nymph flies in comparison to both Russia and China
industrial output and military power

The American empire is declining and desperate.  One reason why Biden terrorized Germany's pipeline/energy supply
so as to prompt German industry to relocate to Murica.  The West's industry is unable to compete with Russia in
weapons or ammo output.  Not sure they control the world as so many countries are fleeing to BRICS.

It seems the most apt condition of the world is as a NEW MULTI-POLAR WORLD.

BUT....your post is quite thought provoking.


 


 

Sumela » 11 Jul 2024, 2:14 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Jul 2024, 2:14 pm

Very interesting.  I agree and disagree.

The Catholic church is not a Hegemon.  It does not have true empire power and control.
The same for Britian.  Influence is NOT empire.  Influence does not make a Hegemon.
The British would have a lost a war with Ukraine in weeks. 
Their military equipment is old, they cant recruit.  Britain is week.  Banks dont change that.

Italy and Great Britian are tiny nymph flies in comparison to both Russia and China
industrial output and military power

The American empire is declining and desperate.  One reason why Biden terrorized Germany's pipeline/energy supply
so as to prompt German industry to relocate to Murica.  The West's industry is unable to compete with Russia in
weapons or ammo output.  Not sure they control the world as so many countries are fleeing to BRICS.

It seems the most apt condition of the world is as a NEW MULTI-POLAR WORLD.

BUT....your post is quite thought provoking.

It's not about winning wars. I don't think that they even care who wins any war or who could win a war against any country. Regardless of who wins, it's the ones who establish and enforce the rules that are in power. As an analogy, when two boxers go at it, there is usually a winner. Be it by tko or ko. However, the winner doesn't make the rules of boxing. He just abides by it. Same with this. If Russia wins. Ok, good for them. But they don't rule over the corporations that fund and rule the world. Russia still abides by them. OPEC being an example. 

Vegas » 11 Jul 2024, 2:20 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Jul 2024, 2:20 pm

It's not about winning wars. I don't think that they even care who wins any war or who could win a war against any country. Regardless of who wins, it's the ones who establish and enforce the rules that are in power. As an analogy, when two boxers go at it, there is usually a winner. Be it by tko or ko. However, the winner doesn't make the rules of boxing. He just abides by it. Same with this. If Russia wins. Ok, good for them. But they don't rule over the corporations that fund and rule the world. Russia still abides by them. OPEC being an example.

So what about Russian and Chinese Corps? 
China's industrial production dwarves the West.

I think its a stretch to say West Globalist Corps run the world.
 

Sumela » 11 Jul 2024, 2:23 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Jul 2024, 2:23 pm

So what about Russian and Chinese Corps? 
China's industrial production dwarves the West.

I think its a stretch to say West Globalist Corps run the world.

Read what I wrote to Cannon. When it comes to corps, America is number 1 on the Fortune 500 with a revenue of 7.1 Trillion. China ranks 6th with 1.1 T. Russia isn't even in the top 10. 

Vegas » 11 Jul 2024, 2:27 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Jul 2024, 2:27 pm

Read what I wrote to Cannon. When it comes to corps, America is number 1 on the Fortune 500 with a revenue of 7.1 Trillion. China ranks 6th with 1.1 T. Russia isn't even in the top 10.

And when it comes to GDP-PPP, meaning what countries produce plus how much the people's money can buy, 
China is #1 and Russia is either #4 or #5.

We can certainly view US CORPS as powerful, but the world has evolved into a multi-polar world,
where clearly the US is losing its grasp on the world as the sole Hegemon.

Again I think the concept as you presented it certainly carries some weight.
 

Sumela » 11 Jul 2024, 2:36 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Jul 2024, 2:36 pm

And when it comes to GDP-PPP, meaning what countries produce plus how much the people's money can buy, 
China is #1 and Russia is either #4 or #5.

We can certainly view US CORPS as powerful, but the world has evolved into a multi-polar world,
where clearly the US is losing its grasp on the world as the sole Hegemon.

Again I think the concept as you presented it certainly carries some weight.

I don't doubt Russia and China are powerful. What I am saying is that the US 'appears' to be a country, but it really isn't one. It's a tool.  Yes, it's legally recognized as one; we have borders and a governing body to show for it. But so do corporations. Their border isn't tangible; it's in the form of scopes of power. They also have governing bodies and systems of operand. They rule this land and many other parts of the world. Our government does not govern this land. It only does on paper. Russia , China, and others use us as a tool for their bidding. That's how I see it. 

A snake will shed its skin many times in its life, but it is always the same snake. America, the Vatican, and Britain appear to be these moral and noble countries. They once were a conspicuous empire, then they shed their skin into a new empire, called corporations, a church, and a bank.
 

Vegas » 11 Jul 2024, 2:49 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Jul 2024, 2:49 pm

I don't doubt Russia and China are powerful. What I am saying is that the US 'appears' to be a country, but it really isn't one. It's a tool.  Yes, it's legally recognized as one; we have borders and a governing body to show for it. But so do corporations. Their border isn't tangible; it's in the form of scopes of power. They also have governing bodies and systems of operand. They rule this land and many other parts of the world. Our government does not govern this land. It only does on paper. Russia , China, and others use us as a tool for their bidding. That's how I see it. 

A snake will shed its skin many times in its life, but it is always the same snake. America, the Vatican, and Britain appear to be these moral and noble countries. They once were a conspicuous empire, then they shed their skin into a new empire, called corporations, a church, and a bank.

Bro, that is some interesting **** for sure.  A concept I have never heard postulated.  
And we clearly can see how CORPS control WASH DC - not the other way around.
 

Cannonpointer » 11 Jul 2024, 1:23 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Jul 2024, 1:23 pm

If we accept that paradigm, what, then, do we say about China and Russia? 

Does this America-centered corporatocracy run those countries, as well - and all of the thrusting and parrying is but a puppet show?

That is also a very good question.
They become a bit capitalism leaning. America a bit socialist leaning.

The trends are there. I'm frightened...    and impotent...    

Sumela » 11 Jul 2024, 2:52 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Jul 2024, 2:52 pm

Bro, that is some interesting **** for sure.  A concept I have never heard postulated.  
And we clearly can see how CORPS control WASH DC - not the other way around.

Russia and China own us. They take turns with the tool. 

Also, think about the Bill of Rights. Its purpose is to  spell out the rights of American citizens and to limit the government power over the individual. Ok...one problem. The Bill of Rights also applies to the corporations. This means that there is nothing stopping corporations to exercise power over the people. The Bill of Rights only talks about the government not violating the rights of the people. Nothing is said about the other 'government' (corporations) violating us. 
 

DeezerShoove » 11 Jul 2024, 3:05 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Jul 2024, 3:05 pm

   and impotent...  

You are impotent? Yeah, this isn't that kind of OP. You can see a sex doc for that.
 

Vegas » 11 Jul 2024, 1:06 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Jul 2024, 1:06 pm

I have never considered this perspective and it makes sense. 

The roman empire never really fell. The city did, but not the empire. It just became a church. The Vatican, with a stash of money below it. The Vatican arguably has the same magnitude of power that the Roman Empire had. Different kind of power, but the magnitude and influence on the world is the same. 

Britain's empire never fell. It just became a bank. America broke free, but they kept the money and still has influence on the world. 

We consider America an empire. We say that our empire will soon end. However, what if the American empire already ended and we didn't know it. It isn't an empire, it's now the central headquarters for corporations that are running the world.

What countries did we conquer and inhabit to become an empire? (Injuns don't count).

 

RebelGator » 11 Jul 2024, 3:12 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Jul 2024, 3:12 pm

What countries did we conquer and inhabit to become an empire? (Injuns don't count).

What do you mean? We broke free from Britain. We didn't conquer them, we liberated ourselves from them. When I think of conquering , I also think of occupying and obliterating their existence. We never did that.

RebelGator » 11 Jul 2024, 3:12 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Jul 2024, 3:12 pm

What countries did we conquer and inhabit to become an empire? (Injuns don't count).

Enough that they do as they are told or they get bombed, regime changed, or sanctioned   .
Only empire can do that.  Catch up.