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U.S. Gave Russia Legitimate Reason to Attack US Infrastructure
U.S. Gave Russia Legitimate Reason to Attack US Infrastructure
By Cannonpointer
19 Jul 2024 7:51 pm in No Holds Barred Political Forum
20 Jul 2024 11:05 am
Its possible. Id say 50/50. It's just so hard for DC TRANS-*** to change course.Cannonpointer » 20 Jul 2024, 10:39 am » wrote: ↑ The concern I have is that Trump's record with Putin - leaving aside the PR **** - was as bad as any president's. He was the first president to arm Ukraine. He was the president that reinvigorated NATO, whose only mission is the destruction of Russia. He put stronger sanctions on Russia than Obama did. The idea that Putin and Trump are buddies is pure ****. The question is whether Trump will force Zelensky to the table.
I think he will.
Arrogance and hubris fuel their spoiled *** asses. Hard to turn back after years
of talking about:
Weakening Russia
Regime change
Collapsing their economy
Slicing Russia into tiny sections
But cucks will cuck.
20 Jul 2024 11:11 am
If Trump is president, the decision to force Zelensky to the table is his, and cannot be taken from him the way they took withdrawal from Syria away from him.Sumela » 20 Jul 2024, 11:05 am » wrote: ↑ Its possible. Id say 50/50. It's just so hard for DC TRANS-*** to change course.
Arrogance and hubris fuel their spoiled *** asses. Hard to turn back after years
of talking about:
Weakening Russia
Regime change
Collapsing their economy
Slicing Russia into tiny sections
But cucks will cuck.
I have always suspected that Trump had nothing to do with Soleimani. I suspect that he had two options: complain about it and look weak; or take credit for it and look strong. That is pure speculation, but his lack of control over Syria - a weakness made rather obvious by his hail-mary withdrawal order peculiarly given from a SOTU address, - coupled with his narcissism-fueled vanity, fuels my suspicion.
It hardly matters. He was the head of state when this act of war against Iran occurred. He owns it.
But the question of aiding Ukraine is a matter over which he will have unchallengeable control - short of a veto-proof congressional act, which I consider unlikely in the extreme.
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
20 Jul 2024 11:21 am
Its possible. I do not have the faith that you do in Trump or anything in DC.Cannonpointer » 20 Jul 2024, 11:11 am » wrote: ↑ If Trump is president, the decision to force Zelensky to the table is his, and cannot be taken from him the way they took withdrawal from Syria away from him.
I have always suspected that Trump had nothing to do with Soleimani. I suspect that he had two options: complain about it and look weak; or take credit for it and look strong. That is pure speculation, but his lack of control over Syria - a weakness made rather obvious by his hail-mary withdrawal order peculiarly given from a SOTU address, - coupled with his narcissism-fueled vanity, fuels my suspicion.
It hardly matters. He was the head of state when this act of war against Iran occurred. He owns it.
But the question of aiding Ukraine is a matter over which he will have unchallengeable control - short of a veto-proof congressional act, which I consider unlikely in the extreme.
If they do abandon Ukraine...it is likely to prepare for war with Iran and China.
Maybe time to move on to NEW failure.
20 Jul 2024 11:28 am
On the one hand, Trump's bragging right is that he started no new wars.Sumela » 20 Jul 2024, 11:21 am » wrote: ↑ Its possible. I do not have the faith that you do in Trump or anything in DC.
If they do abandon Ukraine...it is likely to prepare for war with Iran and China.
Maybe time to move on to NEW failure.
On the other hand, Trump.
So... yeah.
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
20 Jul 2024 11:35 am
Let the games begin.Cannonpointer » 20 Jul 2024, 11:28 am » wrote: ↑ On the one hand, Trump's bragging right is that he started no new wars.
On the other hand, Trump.
So... yeah.
20 Jul 2024 11:52 am
My own games are about to begin - headed to the lake for a day of picnicking.
We have a boat, but it's a river boat, not really suited for the lake.
Just gonna hang out and catch rays, put back some picnic food and dranks.
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
20 Jul 2024 11:55 am
Word brother....enjoy the day!!Cannonpointer » 20 Jul 2024, 11:52 am » wrote: ↑ My own games are about to begin - headed to the lake for a day of picnicking.
We have a boat, but it's a river boat, not really suited for the lake.
Just gonna hang out and catch rays, put back some picnic food and dranks.
20 Jul 2024 1:52 pm
Sumela » 20 Jul 2024, 10:23 am » wrote: ↑Grampie was a stickler. A perfectionist.
I recently saw 2 bikes fall off an SUV on IH35 in Austin from a cheapass bike rack.
I thought ""those **** never met Grampie"". ''2 is 1...1 is none.''
That's my motto...if you can't do it right, don't do it at all...which is why I'm struggling with redoing a 38 yo pole barn...the wife's brother reminded me I'm not building cabinets... I keep telling myself it's ONLY a pole barn, but that only lasts until the next crisis...to put it in perspective, I'm wrapping it in tyvek and one side of the building the text is upside down...I'm still not sleeping well.... 
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20 Jul 2024 2:15 pm
Putin has a history of chipping away. He knows he is dealing with a cabal of psychos (whether or not he cares about their overwhelming, constituting ethnicity is another subject…) and I believe he has stated MULTIPLE (10+) times he doesn’t want to cause collateral damage in the tens of millions of civilian lives, even if they aren’t his.Cannonpointer » 19 Jul 2024, 8:45 pm » wrote: ↑ The destruction of the nordstream was the predicate act of war. SANCTIONS are an act of war. Our meddling in Ukraine is an act of war.
The only question is whether and when Russia will RESPOND to these acts of war. And it could do so with an EMP attack. I'm not sure such an attack could be launched today - but I am sure that we are giving Putin every reason to want to take our **** off the game board.
What we are doing over there is very serious. The moment ex-KGB agent and brilliant leader Putin decides the threat is existential, and the moment he has the capacity to respond with an EMP, I believe we can expect an EMP tout de suite.
20 Jul 2024 2:16 pm
My crystal ball says a severe recession is coming within the next 12-16 months and Trump will be coerced to begin a war before his term expires.Cannonpointer » 20 Jul 2024, 11:28 am » wrote: ↑ On the one hand, Trump's bragging right is that he started no new wars.
On the other hand, Trump.
So... yeah.
Might be sooner than 12 if the yield curve uninverts in a blink…
20 Jul 2024 3:41 pm
I'm back. It was outstanding. But as I mention, Celt and Hun here. I can only take a few hours of sun.
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
20 Jul 2024 3:49 pm
If you look at the oligarchs he took down, he knows who is who.LowIQTrash » 20 Jul 2024, 2:15 pm » wrote: ↑ Putin has a history of chipping away. He knows he is dealing with a cabal of psychos (whether or not he cares about their overwhelming, constituting ethnicity is another subject…) and I believe he has stated MULTIPLE (10+) times he doesn’t want to cause collateral damage in the tens of millions of civilian lives, even if they aren’t his.
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
20 Jul 2024 3:50 pm
We have the same crystal ball.LowIQTrash » 20 Jul 2024, 2:16 pm » wrote: ↑ My crystal ball says a severe recession is coming within the next 12-16 months and Trump will be coerced to begin a war before his term expires.
Might be sooner than 12 if the yield curve uninverts in a blink…
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
20 Jul 2024 3:51 pm
Hmmm. We see that Cannon and Sumela are the same person, no surprise!Cannonpointer » 19 Jul 2024, 8:40 pm » wrote: ↑ Our sense of entitlement is about to be severely challenged, IMO.
20 Jul 2024 3:56 pm
Whatever you say, child. I don't run free range soks, boy. Mine are all coop-kept and wear my brand.Beakman » 20 Jul 2024, 3:51 pm » wrote: ↑ Hmmm. We see that Cannon and Sumela are the same person, no surprise!
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
20 Jul 2024 8:07 pm
Hope you enjoyed your rest brother.Cannonpointer » 20 Jul 2024, 3:41 pm » wrote: ↑ I'm back. It was outstanding. But as I mention, Celt and Hun here. I can only take a few hours of sun.
20 Jul 2024 8:12 pm
ROG62 » 20 Jul 2024, 1:52 pm » wrote: ↑
Is not Tyvek a type of board insulation?
20 Jul 2024 8:17 pm
Firstly, I do not trust our government to be anything but selfish.Sumela » 20 Jul 2024, 10:58 am » wrote: ↑ If you are a Russian leader,
how can you NOT view the West's actions in Ukraine as an existential disease?
Its been existential since the first day the West broke their agreement to NOT move
any further east from Germany.
But as Lavrov says ""Words from the West are meaningless"".
All governments are like that. Truthful only when they need to be.
That being said, didn't the Soviet Union break apart into 15 separate nations?
So, how can that have happened yet Ukraine still be part of Russia?
Wasn't the agreement simply that Ukraine give back the Russian nukes contingent on the agreement that their border was not to be breached?
I cannot find a document that promised NATO would never bring Ukraine into its membership.
Certainly I understand the threat Russia feels if a bordering country is armed and backed by an historic set of enemies.
If there's a treaty or something that states that NATO thing, it ain't popping up on the google.
Let me know if you have something regarding that specific aspect. I've been just assuming there's legal documentation.
Might be there isn't and Putin is merely reacting to a perceived threat. As you said...
Please seat yourself.
I like the very things you hate.
I like the very things you hate.
20 Jul 2024 8:25 pm
Cannonpointer » 20 Jul 2024, 10:39 am » wrote: ↑ The concern I have is that Trump's record with Putin - leaving aside the PR **** - was as bad as any president's. He was the first president to arm Ukraine. He was the president that reinvigorated NATO, whose only mission is the destruction of Russia. He put stronger sanctions on Russia than Obama did. The idea that Putin and Trump are buddies is pure ****. The question is whether Trump will force Zelensky to the table.
I think he will.
You know that old saying that "you go to war with the army you have, not the army you wish for."
(close enough)
I think Ukraine is in a similar situation with Z-***.
Can the average Ukrainian actually love his leadership? Or just tolerate the ****...
Please seat yourself.
I like the very things you hate.
I like the very things you hate.
20 Jul 2024 8:39 pm
Intellectual Empathy was once a US diplomatic standard. The ability to understand "the other's concerns".DeezerShoove » 20 Jul 2024, 8:17 pm » wrote: ↑ Firstly, I do not trust our government to be anything but selfish.
All governments are like that. Truthful only when they need to be.
That being said, didn't the Soviet Union break apart into 15 separate nations?
So, how can that have happened yet Ukraine still be part of Russia?
Wasn't the agreement simply that Ukraine give back the Russian nukes contingent on the agreement that their border was not to be breached?
I cannot find a document that promised NATO would never bring Ukraine into its membership.
Certainly I understand the threat Russia feels if a bordering country is armed and backed by an historic set of enemies.
If there's a treaty or something that states that NATO thing, it ain't popping up on the google.
Let me know if you have something regarding that specific aspect. I've been just assuming there's legal documentation.
Might be there isn't and Putin is merely reacting to a perceived threat. As you said...
IE was killed by Exceptionalism...
"we are God's chosen and we will do as we please and by the way... **** you".
Seeing the world from purely a West POV is a disease. Weak, stunted, narrow minded.
Is there a treaty with Canada or Mexico that says Russia, Iran, China
cannot build military bases 50 miles from the USA?
Provoking is simply a WASH DC staple. Seems you are ok with that.
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