Cannonpointer » 25 Jul 2024, 11:59 pm » wrote: ↑ This is incorrect thinking. You might as well argue that a rough diamond isn't made more valuable by the fellow who cuts and polishes it.
The intelligent man can venture his capital in such a way that he can get value from a retard. For example, a restaurant might hire a retard to wash dishes - or a detail shop might arm a retard with cleaning supplies and have him detail customers' automobiles. The retard would be utterly hopeless without the organizing prowess and the capital investment of the businessman. The businessman has every right to make a profit on the labor of the fellow he employed. There is no injustice in that.
The relationship only becomes unjust when coercion is involved - and in the US, the coercion is enforced by the government strictly limiting options.
You are assuming that I or anyone else gives a **** about your opinion on anything.Blackvegetable » 26 Jul 2024, 10:16 am » wrote: ↑ You're the one always whining about "thoughts", Level 0.27
I'm telling you what I think of your Level 0.27 chindribble.
*Vegas » 26 Jul 2024, 11:33 am » wrote: ↑ You are assuming that I or anyone else gives a **** about your opinion on anything.
False.*Vegas » 26 Jul 2024, 9:56 am » wrote: ↑ I am not necessarily saying it is unjust to profit off someone's labor. I am saying that it is impossible to ever be paid what you are worth.
Sometimes if you remember right after you hit post, and before anyone has entered the thread, you can back arrow and apply PG.*Vegas » 26 Jul 2024, 9:57 am » wrote: ↑ I remembered that after it was too late...or actually I remembered after he posted.
What is the market based upon? willingness to buy into ideas life isn't self evident genetics actually eternally separates each reproduction alive daily. Isn't that how rank acquires privilege of power, wealth, fame leading people to believe tomorrow is not simply just another rotation with equally evolving at the same time since conceived into living changing generation gaps cradle to grave depending upon having parented another generation of one's own time as evolved since conceived.*Vegas » 26 Jul 2024, 9:56 am » wrote: ↑ I am not necessarily saying it is unjust to profit off someone's labor. I am saying that it is impossible to ever be paid what you are worth. Our worth is decided by the market which in return is exploited by the employer. Just or unjust? I don't know. I know that it would be impossible to profit if you paid employees more than what the market says they are worth.
Blackvegetable » 26 Jul 2024, 11:39 am » wrote: ↑ I've got 250 pages of Notifications that say different.
No, because you are an obsessed loser.*Vegas » 26 Jul 2024, 12:25 pm » wrote: ↑ You have 250 pages of notifications of me humiliating you because it was fun.
Respect sir. A very well thought out and presented post.*Vegas » 25 Jul 2024, 7:25 pm » wrote: ↑ Hopefully someone else can get the crayons out for @Blackvegetable . There is no way he will have the intellectual capacity to understand this. It's also longer than 5 words, so we know he isn't going to read it anyway.
I hear a lot from the die hard Republicans and conservatives that in capitalism, we have choice. It provides a mutually beneficial contract between the employer and employee. Incorrect. It is inherently built to only benefit the employer while the employee gets ripped off. Here is why:
To keep it simple, let's just use an easy number. Let's say an employer buys something for $1.00 and he wants to turn it around and sell it for a profit. He obviously isn't going to sell it for less than a dollar, nor is he going to sell it for exactly a dollar. He must sell it for more than what he paid. This is no different with labor. If an employer pays an employee $15 an hour in exchange for the employee's time and labor, then for that employer, the employee must in return produce an output that is worth more than $15/hr. Maybe the employer wants $20/hr worth of output. If an employee doesn't not produce a value worth more than what they are paid, then the employer is cutting a loss.
Therefore, in a capitalist society, there is no such thing as paying someone what they are worth. The system is inherently built to pay the employee less than what they are worth, as to not risk breaking even or losing money.
KOOLS is angry again today.
Other than parents performing their duty for their children, which is a rarity these days… seems legit…FOS » 26 Jul 2024, 7:21 am » wrote: ↑ well of course imo the best system is national socialism. Because I think ultimately the most fundamental aspect of identity rests on having common ancestry. People care about their family more than other families, and this tribalism is universal and is the biological source of altruism. So if serving Germany becomes the same as serving the German people, people will be loyal and perform their duty happily...just as a parent performs their duty for their children.
If, instead, citizens in a government are supposed to share some abstraction, such as 'common principles' or even 'common religion' or some economic zone like 'we all use USD', then there becomes a separation between the people's intrinsic identity and the government. That is simply less stable as a society and it is lower in trust and altruism.
NO QUESTIONS, DICK SUCKER!
LowIQTrash » 26 Jul 2024, 3:20 pm » wrote: ↑ Other than parents performing their duty for their children, which is a rarity these days… seems legit…
But you like your dogs more. Do I am an american, I am ashame for myself to you. You have fail your schools, and your schools have fail you. In any civilize society, you would be sold by the kilo as meat in the public market place.FOS » 26 Jul 2024, 3:57 pm » wrote: ↑ lol well it still happens more often than not. For sure, most people care more about their own children than the children of some stranger