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maineman » 07 Aug 2024, 8:07 am » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2024, 8:07 am

24 years of honorable service

versus bone spurs and 34 felony convictions.

Plus trump and vance are just weird.

Cannonpointer » 07 Aug 2024, 10:12 am » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2024, 10:12 am

Hey, it was the smart play. He didn't risk getting blown up. 

You're going full on Gorilla Monsoon. You need to put a little Bobby the Brain in the mix. 
 

 

I don't really care what he did.  If that was his commitment to his soldiers he needed to go.  

BuckNaked » 07 Aug 2024, 8:17 am » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2024, 8:17 am

wow how do they keep the voter roles up to date?

Oh, they're up to date. They have folks on there from the 1800s. And they vote.

Zeets2 » 07 Aug 2024, 9:11 am » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2024, 9:11 am

This was indeed a pick made by China, since they know they're about to lose the most reliable source of information from their current existing traitor in January, and recognize how easy it will be to bribe a VP Walz as it was to bribe VP Biden.

So in the same vein that Bernie Sanders is so enamored of life in Russia where HE honeymooned, Walz is just as happy replacing Joe and being the new puppet for China.  Just watch how the money pours in from there!

Should he have lied about his experiences in Chyna?

He says there was very little skreet crime, and that he was treated well, and that the chinee he taught wanted to come to murka for opportunity.

Which of those things do you think he was fibbing about?

Independent » 07 Aug 2024, 10:01 am » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2024, 10:01 am

Stolen valor

I would much rather have stolen valor than earned valor.

Less risky, same perks. 

*Huey » 07 Aug 2024, 10:13 am » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2024, 10:13 am

I don't really care what he did.  If that was his commitment to his soldiers he needed to go.

Again, that is what Gorilla Monsoon would say. 

SOMEONE has to argue the Bobby "the brain" Heenan side of this. 

Brain : (commenting on Hulk Hogan's entry/exit theme song)
"That's my second favorite song"
Gorilla : "I'm almost afraid to ask - what's your favorite?"
Brain : "All the rest are tied"

Cannonpointer » 07 Aug 2024, 10:17 am » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2024, 10:17 am

Should he have lied about his experiences in Chyna?

He says there was very little skreet crime, and that he was treated well, and that the chinee he taught wanted to come to murka for opportunity.

Which of those things do you think he was fibbing about?

I don't believe he lied about any of them.
That's not the point.
The point is that China purposely made and developed a strong relationship with him just like they did with Biden, and the DNC and Kamala knew they could count on huge amounts of money coming from there in return for any information China wanted or needed.  And most importantly, they need them to avert their eyes when they invade Taiwan so all we do is give them a slap on the wrist when it happens.

And they also know that they would never be able to influence Trump in that way.
 

Zeets2 » 07 Aug 2024, 10:33 am » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2024, 10:33 am

I don't believe he lied about any of them.
That's not the point.
The point is that China purposely made and developed a strong relationship with him just like they did with Biden, and the DNC and Kamala knew they could count on huge amounts of money coming from there in return for any information China wanted or needed.  And most importantly, they need them to avert their eyes when they invade Taiwan so all we do is give them a slap on the wrist when it happens.

Okay. Fair enough. Chyna wants to make friends with Americans they can use to peddle influence.

That makes sense. They're adopting our M.O.

Zeets2 » 07 Aug 2024, 10:33 am » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2024, 10:33 am

And they also know that they would never be able to influence Trump in that way.

One of the things I like about Trump is that I believe he would have us mind our own business.

What Chyna decides to do about Taiwan in Chyna's business. It is sovereign Chinese territory. It belongs to Chyna. It is not an independent nation. It has no membership in the UN or any of its subcommittees, because it is not a country. The status quo under American law and treaty is that Chyna has sovereign jurisdiction over Taiwan.

I would query you, who told you the relationship between Chyna and Taiwan is any of our business?
 

Cannonpointer » 07 Aug 2024, 9:44 am » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2024, 9:44 am

He wasn't shaming him for that.

He was shaming him for not completing his commitment and for leaving his men without leadership when their unit was deployed.

You spoke to the issue he didn't raise. Now speak to the issue he did.

left his men without leadership?        

Oh, trust me... deployed National Guard units have plenty of commissioned officers and NCOs to provide leadership.  Any unit that is "without leadership" when one man departs is not fit for deployment in the first place.
 
 

maineman » 07 Aug 2024, 10:49 am » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2024, 10:49 am

left his men without [HIS] leadership?        

Oh, trust me... deployed National Guard units have plenty of commissioned officers and NCOs to provide leadership.  Any unit that is "without leadership" when one man departs is not fit for deployment in the first place.

You are genuinely arguing that the people who DIDN'T behave as Walz did are a defense of his behavior?

He signed on to a commitment, got goodies for it, and failed to hold up his end.

Now, I personally admire and respect that. It was the smart move. But I'm not going to pretend along that an apple is a watermelon. 
 
 

maineman » 07 Aug 2024, 8:07 am » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2024, 8:07 am

24 years of honorable service

versus bone spurs and 34 felony convictions.

On one side, you have normal people. Are some of them men in dresses who steal bags in airports? You bet. Are some of them insisting that we show little boys in grade school how to suck a dick and take a dick in the ***? Sure, SOME. But the point is, THEY are normal.

Vance is WEIRD. He has weird ideas about stuff. MUCH weirder than teaching blowjobs to eight year olds.

Cannonpointer » 07 Aug 2024, 9:55 am » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2024, 9:55 am

I admire it. He's smart - stayed out of danger.

Last I checked we don’t have a draft. Easiest way to stay out of danger is don’t enlist.

I don’t cotton to a man that welshes on an obligation he willingly put himself in. Sorta like the college loans, don’t enjoy the riches then skip out on the pain of your choices.

 

Cedar » 07 Aug 2024, 11:11 am » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2024, 11:11 am

Last I checked we don’t have a draft. Easiest way to stay out of danger is don’t enlist.

I don’t cotton to a man that welshes on an obligation he willingly put himself in. Sorta like the college loans, don’t enjoy the riches then skip out on the pain of your choices.

I gotta agree with you on that one.  

Cannonpointer » 07 Aug 2024, 10:59 am » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2024, 10:59 am

On one side, you have normal people. Are some of them men in dresses who steal bags in airports? You bet. Are some of them insisting that we show little boys in grade school how to suck a dick and take a dick in the ***? Sure, SOME. But the point is, THEY are normal.

Vance is WEIRD. He has weird ideas about stuff. MUCH weirder than teaching blowjobs to eight year olds.

I have a cute story- you may like it.
one day i'm sitting in the living room..
And nasty father and his thief friend are at the kitchen table... bragging about their military service and how Great they  both were. On and on....
The nasty shih-zu is sitting on my lap... growling at them from across the room..   didnt like the vibe..

 a few days later i talked with my uncle and told him about it.

He said CYNDI!!!!! you're father was in the service ONE year!            and he was only a rifle instructor... never went anywhere near  into battle.
what?
They way they were talking- you would think those two single handily stopped that war.
 

Cedar » 07 Aug 2024, 11:11 am » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2024, 11:11 am

Last I checked we don’t have a draft. Easiest way to stay out of danger is don’t enlist.

I don’t cotton to a man that welshes on an obligation he willingly put himself in. Sorta like the college loans, don’t enjoy the riches then skip out on the pain of your choices.

That is a perfectly honorable position. But it fails to account for the fact that there are dishonorable men.

And we have rights, too. 

I have to look at it from my own point of view. I'd like to think that I could be vice president. 
 

sootedupCyndi » 07 Aug 2024, 11:16 am » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2024, 11:16 am

I have a cute story- you may like it.
one day i'm sitting in the living room..
And nasty father and his thief friend are at the kitchen table... bragging about their military service and how Great they  both were. On and on....
The nasty shih-zu is sitting on my lap... growling at them from across the room..   didnt like the vibe..

 a few days later i talked with my uncle and told him about it.

He said CYNDI!!!!! you're father was in the service ONE year!            and he was only a rifle instructor... never went anywhere near  into battle.
what?
They way they were talking- you would think those two single handily stopped that war.

As a former Baby SEAL, I despise valor thieves.   
 

Cannonpointer » 07 Aug 2024, 11:23 am » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2024, 11:23 am

As a former Baby SEAL, I despise valor thieves. 

That's kind of how I felt about it!      like what!
 

Cannonpointer » 07 Aug 2024, 11:21 am » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2024, 11:21 am

That is a perfectly honorable position. But it fails to account for the fact that there are dishonorable men.

And we have rights, too. 

I have to look at it from my own point of view. I'd like to think that I could be vice president.

I’m sure the 2 dicks you sucked wouldn’t hold you back in today’s political climate.
 

Cedar » 07 Aug 2024, 11:30 am » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2024, 11:30 am

I’m sure the 2 dicks you sucked wouldn’t hold you back in today’s political climate.

Two until someone PROVES otherwise.   
 

Cannonpointer » 07 Aug 2024, 10:12 am » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2024, 10:12 am

Plus trump and vance are just weird.