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Cedar » 07 Aug 2024, 11:45 am » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2024, 11:45 am

They're WEIRD. And Trump is a convicted felon!

They're not NORMAL, like the other side. Like  Sam Brinton and Rachael Levine and all the folks on the left. 
 

Cannonpointer » 07 Aug 2024, 10:12 am » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2024, 10:12 am

Plus trump and vance are just weird.

Every person of character is as predictable as their social collective ideology used to fit into franchised humanity saving tomorrow midnight to noon.

then from noon to midnight blaming parallel universes and alternate realities for their humanity failing to live up to the hype of history building better tomorrows than genetics replaces people lived so far..

Cannonpointer » 07 Aug 2024, 10:38 am » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2024, 10:38 am

Okay. Fair enough. Chyna wants to make friends with Americans they can use to peddle influence.

That makes sense. They're adopting our M.O.

One of the things I like about Trump is that I believe he would have us mind our own business.

What Chyna decides to do about Taiwan in Chyna's business. It is sovereign Chinese territory. It belongs to Chyna. It is not an independent nation. It has no membership in the UN or any of its subcommittees, because it is not a country. The status quo under American law and treaty is that Chyna has sovereign jurisdiction over Taiwan.

I would query you, who told you the relationship between Chyna and Taiwan is any of our business?

Taiwan isn't any more of our business than Ukraine is, and I'm actually shocked that China hasn't invaded them yet while we still have a demented feeble president, although they still have several months left to do so.  I believe they look at Trump as a wild card, and are unsure about what he would do if he held the reigns when they decide to invade.  Right now, while this idiot is throwing hundreds of billions at the losing cause in Ukraine and while we've taken a stronger position in defending Israel as that war is rapidly expanding, it would appear to me that this would be the optimum time to take Taiwan if they choose.  And while I wouldn't be as apathetic as you seem to be if they do so, I wouldn't be eager to defend them either if China did so.  If it happens over the next 6 months, Trump might throw some sanctions at them and condemn them for doing so, but I don't see him doing much more than that, and I'm fine with that.

Cannonpointer » 07 Aug 2024, 9:49 am » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2024, 9:49 am

Again, no one disagrees with his years of on the teat. And how much teat-time his detractors have in is not relevant to the issue raised.

You continue to respond to issue NOT raised while ducking the issue that HAS been raised.

he is good at that 

Zeets2 » 07 Aug 2024, 12:58 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2024, 12:58 pm

Taiwan isn't any more of our business than Ukraine is, and I'm actually shocked that China hasn't invaded them yet while we still have a demented feeble president, although they still have several months left to do so.  I believe they look at Trump as a wild card, and are unsure about what he would do if he held the reigns when they decide to invade.  Right now, while this idiot is throwing hundreds of billions at the losing cause in Ukraine and while we've taken a stronger position in defending Israel as that war is rapidly expanding, it would appear to me that this would be the optimum time to take Taiwan if they choose.  And while I wouldn't be as apathetic as you seem to be if they do so, I wouldn't be eager to defend them either if China did so.  If it happens over the next 6 months, Trump might throw some sanctions at them and condemn them for doing so, but I don't see him doing much more than that, and I'm fine with that.

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Zeets2 » 07 Aug 2024, 12:58 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2024, 12:58 pm

Taiwan isn't any more of our business than Ukraine is, and I'm actually shocked that China hasn't invaded them yet while we still have a demented feeble president, although they still have several months left to do so.  I believe they look at Trump as a wild card, and are unsure about what he would do if he held the reigns when they decide to invade.  Right now, while this idiot is throwing hundreds of billions at the losing cause in Ukraine and while we've taken a stronger position in defending Israel as that war is rapidly expanding, it would appear to me that this would be the optimum time to take Taiwan if they choose.  And while I wouldn't be as apathetic as you seem to be if they do so, I wouldn't be eager to defend them either if China did so.  If it happens over the next 6 months, Trump might throw some sanctions at them and condemn them for doing so, but I don't see him doing much more than that, and I'm fine with that.

You don't think the old disappeared guy would do the same?

Trump is ALREADY going to spit in their eye with 100% tariffs on their cars - which are currently the most popular cars in many countries. The export more vehicles than America does. Taking exports and internal consumption, they beat America there, too. 

If we don't put a tariff on chinee cars, they will soon overtake domestic cars in this market, too. By the way, Buick, Lincoln, Polestar, and Volvo all sell cars in the US that are made in China.
 

Cannonpointer » 07 Aug 2024, 1:08 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2024, 1:08 pm

You don't think the old disappeared guy would do the same?

Trump is ALREADY going to spit in their eye with 100% tariffs on their cars - which are currently the most popular cars in many countries. The export more vehicles than America does. Taking exports and internal consumption, they beat America there, too. 

If we don't put a tariff on chinee cars, they will soon overtake domestic cars in this market, too. By the way, Buick, Lincoln, Polestar, and Volvo all sell cars in the US that are made in China.

No, I don't.  
I'd foresee Biden throwing tens of billions of dollars at them just like he's doing with Ukraine, in what would be an equally lost cause and a wasteful effort.  I can't imagine Trump would throw them a penny.  But the sanctions he'd put on China would cost them billions, while at the same time bringing millions of jobs back here.  And many businesses will be happy to return here if they got the new tax cuts Trump has promised, as opposed to the higher business taxes that Kamala would charge them, on top of the revocation of the Trump tax cuts they've already said they'd put back on everyone here.
 

Zeets2 » 07 Aug 2024, 1:26 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2024, 1:26 pm

No, I don't.  
I'd foresee Biden throwing tens of billions of dollars at them just like he's doing with Ukraine, in what would be an equally lost cause and a wasteful effort.  I can't imagine Trump would throw them a penny.  But the sanctions he'd put on China would cost them billions, while at the same time bringing millions of jobs back here.  And many businesses will be happy to return here if they got the new tax cuts Trump has promised, as opposed to the higher business taxes that Kamala would charge them, on top of the revocation of the Trump tax cuts they've already said they'd put back on everyone here.

US Sanctions are a finite and rapidly diminishing commodity. Each time we apply them, they become less effective. 

They were once the gold standard. They no longer are. Look at Russia. Their economy has only grown since we applied sanctions to them - and their military is more combat ready than ours, in spite of the fact that we have had our own private killing fields for the blooding of troops this entire century. 

The empire is imploding, and instead of celebrating this fact - as you should, for it presages the possibility of our return to a republic, - you cling to the old neocon, globalist way of thinking which Trump rejects. You go on and on about Trump, but each post makes it clear you do not understand the forces that brought him to prominence or the role he is destined to play in the  dissolution of empire. 

Whether they manage to murder Trump, or imprison him, or whether Trump becomes POTUS in 2025, the empire IS going to collapse, as all empires do. That coming collapse SHOULD be manifest to you from the pride flag flying over our embassies, the literal neutering of our own troops, and the teaching of oral and anal sex to prepubescent children in our schools. Nero fiddling while Rome burned had NOTHING on the clown show that attends the unraveling of the U.S. Empire and the global relevance of the collective west. 
 
 

maineman » 07 Aug 2024, 8:07 am » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2024, 8:07 am

24 years of honorable service

versus bone spurs and 34 felony convictions.

woooops


National Guard Disputes Tim Walz's Military Biography

Army Lieutenant Colonel Kristen Augé, the state public affairs officer for Minnesota National Guard, told Just the News on Wednesday that the governor did not retire as "Command Sergeant Major Walz" in 2005, as stated on Minnesota's official website, but as master sergeant "because he did not complete additional coursework at the U.S. Army Sergeants Major Academy." A soldier who does not complete the requisite coursework is automatically demoted, according to Army regulations. The National Guard's statement comes a day after Vice President Kamal Harris  revealed that she picked Walz as her running mate and the two made their debut as the Democratic ticket on Tuesday at a rally in Philadelphia.

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https://www.newsweek.com/national-guard ... hy-1936038
 

Cannonpointer » 07 Aug 2024, 1:42 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2024, 1:42 pm

US Sanctions are a finite and rapidly diminishing commodity. Each time we apply them, they become less effective. 

They were once the gold standard. They no longer are. Look at Russia. Their economy has only grown since we applied sanctions to them - and their military is more combat ready than ours, in spite of the fact that we have had our own private killing fields for the blooding of troops this entire century. 

The empire is imploding, and instead of celebrating this fact - as you should, for it presages the possibility of our return to a republic, - you cling to the old neocon, globalist way of thinking which Trump rejects. You go on and on about Trump, but each post makes it clear you do not understand the forces that brought him to prominence or the role he is destined to play in the  dissolution of empire. 

Whether they manage to murder Trump, or imprison him, or whether Trump becomes POTUS in 2025, the empire IS going to collapse, as all empires do. That coming collapse SHOULD be manifest to you from the pride flag flying over our embassies, the literal neutering of our own troops, and the teaching of oral and anal sex to prepubescent children in our schools. Nero fiddling while Rome burned had NOTHING on the clown show that attends the unraveling of the U.S. Empire and the global relevance of the collective west.

 
Neocons only know how to double-down on stupid.  Always huff and puff like a tough guy should.
One cannot hate the "swamp/deep state" and also love the Imperialist War Empire.
When they do this - they simply cancel themselves out.  

 

*Nucleus » 07 Aug 2024, 3:20 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2024, 3:20 pm

woooops

National Guard Disputes Tim Walz's Military Biography

Army Lieutenant Colonel Kristen Augé, the state public affairs officer for Minnesota National Guard, told Just the News on Wednesday that the governor did not retire as "Command Sergeant Major Walz" in 2005, as stated on Minnesota's official website, but as master sergeant "because he did not complete additional coursework at the U.S. Army Sergeants Major Academy." A soldier who does not complete the requisite coursework is automatically demoted, according to Army regulations. The National Guard's statement comes a day after Vice President Kamal Harris  revealed that she picked Walz as her running mate and the two made their debut as the Democratic ticket on Tuesday at a rally in Philadelphia.


https://www.newsweek.com/national-guard ... hy-1936038

whoops what?  He retired as an E-8.  Like I said.  Pretty good.  Most senior enlisted person to ever serve in Congress.

maineman » 07 Aug 2024, 4:10 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2024, 4:10 pm

whoops what?  He retired as an E-8.  Like I said.  Pretty good.  Most senior enlisted person to ever serve in Congress.

STOLEN VALOR
He did not retire as "Command Sergeant Major Walz" in 2005, as stated on Minnesota's official website.


 
 

*Nucleus » 07 Aug 2024, 4:16 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2024, 4:16 pm

STOLEN VALOR
He did not retire as "Command Sergeant Major Walz" in 2005, as stated on Minnesota's official website.

yawn.

stolen valor        


from a 4F coward.  funny ****.

Cannonpointer » 07 Aug 2024, 11:52 am » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2024, 11:52 am

They're WEIRD. And Trump is a convicted felon!

They're not NORMAL, like the other side. Like  Sam Brinton and Rachael Levine and all the folks on the left.

Unfortunately, the *** of *** is now seen as “normal” in today’s upside-down clown world. 

maineman » 07 Aug 2024, 4:17 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2024, 4:17 pm

yawn.

stolen valor        

from a 4F coward.  funny ****.

^^bottom signaling again
 

maineman » 07 Aug 2024, 4:17 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2024, 4:17 pm

yawn.

stolen valor        

from a 4F coward.  funny ****.

^^70+ year old testosterone deficient cuck         
 
 

SouthernFried » 07 Aug 2024, 4:24 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2024, 4:24 pm

Unfortunately, the *** of *** is now seen as “normal” in today’s upside-down clown world.

No. They are PRESENTED as normal.

They are not seen that way - not even by those who pretend to see them that way. 
 

maineman » 07 Aug 2024, 4:17 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2024, 4:17 pm

yawn.

stolen valor        

from a 4F coward.  funny ****.

You pretend to have been a military guy. But you defend a guy who lied about his record.

That's pretty fishy.

And then there's the bottom-signaling. 

*Nucleus » 07 Aug 2024, 4:16 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2024, 4:16 pm

STOLEN VALOR
He did not retire as "Command Sergeant Major Walz" in 2005, as stated on Minnesota's official website.

The state's official website? Yeah, I am sure the governor is deeply involved with all the content on that page... NOT.   I would guess the web developer in the IT department had a major hand in that page's content, not Tim Walz. But hey, you guys work this angle for all it's worth. The crowds coming out for our joyful warriors are huge.  The clown and the couch ****?  not so much.   

Cannonpointer » 07 Aug 2024, 5:11 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2024, 5:11 pm

You pretend to have been a military guy. But you defend a guy who lied about his record.

That's pretty fishy.

And then there's the bottom-signaling.

You have no evidence that Walz LIED about his record.