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necessary to delay action on Israel's call for $10 billion in loan guarantees to help house Soviet immigrants. (AP/Greg Gibson)
WASHINGTON — Former Israeli ambassador to the United States Michael Oren once castigated Barack Obama for not abiding by the principle of “no daylight” and “no surprises.” That was most reflected, the Israeli diplomat emphasized, in Obama’s publicly castigating Israel’s settlements.

But Obama was not the first president to make Israeli settlements such a point of contention. Former president George H.W. Bush, who died Friday night, went much further than him, in fact.

Bush, who was president from 1989 to 1993, forever changed American politics when he exerted his power to curtail the settlement enterprise and faced a vehement backlash.

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He made clear the cost of an American president waging a political fight against the vast coalition of pro-Israel lobbying groups. In doing so, he exposed the limits of what the world’s most powerful man can do when trying to solve the world’s seemingly most intractable conflict.

One of the most controversial moments of his single-term presidency was when Bush delayed Israel loan guarantees until it halted its settlement building in the West Bank and Gaza and entered a peace conference with the Palestinians, what would later became known as the Madrid Peace Conference.

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But it’s worth noting that, in this particular battle, the US pro-Israel lobby didn’t win its fight against the American president.

Bush at the time enjoyed a 70 percent approval rating. While the American Jewish community was mobilized on the issue, it was not prepared to declare all-out war on the popular president over it.

-------------AIPAC and Congressional leaders dropped the fight over the 120-day delay. Eventually, Bush’s diplomatic efforts worked and Israel entered the Madrid Peace Conference in October 1991.

While an undeniable achievement for Bush, that episode was not without its costs. Bush’s backing by American Jews took a nosedive immediately thereafter, despite his landmark support for helping Jews escape trouble spots around the world, from Russia to Syria to Ethiopia.
 

and when clinton took office all support for the palestine people was gone.

https://cssh.northeastern.edu/george-h- ... gressives/

israel attacking palestine/ lebanon certainly is not new.---------------------------------------------

But just weeks later, an Israeli airstrike killed an estimated 300 civilians in Palestinian neighborhoods of Beirut, prompting Mr. Reagan to hold back another 10 F-16s and two F-15 jet fighters. Still, the standoff did not last long. By August, he lifted the freeze.

Israel’s invasion of Lebanon in 1982 forced another confrontation. Mr. Reagan halted the shipment of cluster-type artillery shells out of concern that such munitions were being used against civilians in violation of agreements. Around the same time, he delayed the delivery of 75 F-16 warplanes without explanation until March 1983, when he announced that he would not release the jets until Israel withdrew forces from Lebanon.
 

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Cannonpointer » 27 Aug 2024, 9:39 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Aug 2024, 9:39 pm

Okay, Butthurtella. Whatever you mumble around my nut sac.

Hey Karen Pointer...you girls sure are obsessed with gay stuff....let me guess....you love a little man gravy on your biscuits

nefarious101 » 28 Aug 2024, 4:18 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2024, 4:18 pm

Hey Karen Pointer...you girls sure are obsessed with gay stuff....let me guess....you love a little man gravy on your biscuits

 

Maybe that is why he keeps you around 

to keep his biscuits clean

just a guess 
 

jerra b » 28 Aug 2024, 1:04 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2024, 1:04 pm

I swear, this is one of the reasons for  the 10/7 attack. years of israel treating the palastianians as dirt and america okaying it for years all presidents except for gw bush had no problem with it. hamas will do a truce and release the hostages if israel  stays the **** out of israel. this is not unreasonable after all the decades of israel treating the palastianians like ****. and this was not a secret to america, all the presidents did nothing except for gh bush.

I am pissed off at all the presidents who did nothing but take aipac's money.

Did it ever occur to you the money going to politicians was a kickback from the taxes this country gave them since the Carter peace treaty paying Egypt 9 billion a year.

I never heard it was ever stopped in the last 8 presidents.

jerrab » 28 Aug 2024, 2:03 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2024, 2:03 pm

every single one in the past 20 years except for gh bush.

this includes clinton, w bush, obama trump and  biden.

maybe obama tried to help but when he did he got shot down and called a muslim.

Yeah, HW wasn't afraid of the devil - probably because he WAS the devil. I believe he murdered JFK. I am quite certain he was the clintons' button man. When he died, the clintons lost ALL their mojo. 
 

nefarious101 » 28 Aug 2024, 4:18 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2024, 4:18 pm

Hey Karen Pointer...you girls sure are obsessed with gay stuff....let me guess....you love a little man gravy on your biscuits

That's really gay, Petunia.   
 

31stArrival » 28 Aug 2024, 5:31 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2024, 5:31 pm

Did it ever occur to you the money going to politicians was a kickback from the taxes this country gave them since the Carter peace treaty paying Egypt 9 billion a year.

I never heard it was ever stopped in the last 8 presidents.

I don't know about  carter but israel has been getting billions of dollars every year and yes aipac uses this money to buy american politicians from mayors to senators to presidents.
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https://www.cfr.org/article/us-aid-israel-four-charts

Israel has been the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign aid since its founding, receiving about $310 billion (adjusted for inflation) in total economic and military assistance. The United States has also provided large foreign aid packages to other Middle Eastern countries, particularly Egypt and Iraq, but Israel stands apart.------------------ 

and if they don't go along with israel, the money gets cut off and the ones who promise to support israel gets the money. 
 
 

31stArrival » 28 Aug 2024, 5:31 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2024, 5:31 pm

Did it ever occur to you the money going to politicians was a kickback from the taxes this country gave them since the Carter peace treaty paying Egypt 9 billion a year.

I never heard it was ever stopped in the last 8 presidents.

how much are we paying to kill civilians??

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Since the start of  Israel's war with Hamas on October 7, 2023, the United States has enacted legislation providing at least $12.5 billion in military aid to Israel, which includes $3.8 billion from a bill in March 2024 (in line with the current MOU) and $8.7 billion from a supplemental appropriations act in April 2024.

but dare americans ask for a penny?

jerrab » 28 Aug 2024, 9:18 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2024, 9:18 pm

but dare americans ask for a penny?

SOSHA-LIZUM!!!!!      

jerrab » 17 Aug 2024, 10:16 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Aug 2024, 10:16 pm

to israel if they don't stop bombing gaza.

it will stop immediately.

I couldn't care less about sand *** or jew filth.  We need less globalism and more Adolf.

Heil Hitler.  

Cannonpointer » 28 Aug 2024, 5:49 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2024, 5:49 pm

Yeah, HW wasn't afraid of the devil - probably because he WAS the devil. I believe he murdered JFK. I am quite certain he was the clintons' button man. When he died, the clintons lost ALL their mojo.

regarding jfk he objected to israel donating to american politicians and that is why aipac was formed.

jerrab » 28 Aug 2024, 10:07 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2024, 10:07 pm

regarding jfk he objected to israel donating to american politicians and that is why aipac was formed.

Some people think that jew filth killed JFK.



Heil Hitler.

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aipac at work

jerrab » 28 Aug 2024, 10:13 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2024, 10:13 pm

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aipac at work

Which is why we needed Hitler.



 

Cannonpointer » 28 Aug 2024, 5:49 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2024, 5:49 pm

Yeah, HW wasn't afraid of the devil - probably because he WAS the devil. I believe he murdered JFK. I am quite certain he was the clintons' button man. When he died, the clintons lost ALL their mojo.

more information--

https://www.israellobby.org/azcdoj/

--------------------------------American Council for Judaism (AJC) newsletter.  "The American Zionist Council (coordinating political action arm of all U.S. Zionist organizations) was asked last month by the Justice Department to register as a 'foreign agent' of the State of Israel."03/07/1963New York Times reporter Tony Lewis calls FARA section to verify AZC foreign agent order state AJC press release.3/23/1963AZC Counsel "Memorandum of Law in support of our position that the American Zionist Council is not required to register under the Foreign Agents Registration Act of 1938."04/01/1963Nathan Lenvin file memo of DOJ AZC meeting on  April 1, 1963- AZC Memorandum of Law rejected.  "...if necessary I would be willing to recommend, if the representatives of the Council insisted upon these points, that the matter be litigated."04/05/1963Thomas Hall memo with J. Walter Yeagley notes "Okay, but let's get it concluded.  Have we sent them J.A. reg[istration] statement?"05/02/1963Nathan Lenvin file memo of DOJ AZC meeting on  May 2, 1963 "Finally, Judge Rifkind raised the point...that the vast number of Jews who adhered to the principles of Zionism could not understand how 'our administration' could do such harm to the Zionist movement and impair the effectiveness of the Council by insistence on registration.  He appealed to the discretionary power of the Department...Mr. Katzenbach then noted that if the Council made a full disclosure of the receipt and expenditure of the funds it had received from the Jewish Agency so that such information would then be available for public inspection the purposes and objectives of the Registration Act might well be accomplished and very likely there would be nothing further for the Government to do..."