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jerrab » 28 Aug 2024, 10:17 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2024, 10:17 pm

more information--

https://www.israellobby.org/azcdoj/

--------------------------------American Council for Judaism (AJC) newsletter.  "The American Zionist Council (coordinating political action arm of all U.S. Zionist organizations) was asked last month by the Justice Department to register as a 'foreign agent' of the State of Israel."03/07/1963New York Times reporter Tony Lewis calls FARA section to verify AZC foreign agent order state AJC press release.3/23/1963AZC Counsel "Memorandum of Law in support of our position that the American Zionist Council is not required to register under the Foreign Agents Registration Act of 1938."04/01/1963Nathan Lenvin file memo of DOJ AZC meeting on  April 1, 1963- AZC Memorandum of Law rejected.  "...if necessary I would be willing to recommend, if the representatives of the Council insisted upon these points, that the matter be litigated."04/05/1963Thomas Hall memo with J. Walter Yeagley notes "Okay, but let's get it concluded.  Have we sent them J.A. reg[istration] statement?"05/02/1963Nathan Lenvin file memo of DOJ AZC meeting on  May 2, 1963 "Finally, Judge Rifkind raised the point...that the vast number of Jews who adhered to the principles of Zionism could not understand how 'our administration' could do such harm to the Zionist movement and impair the effectiveness of the Council by insistence on registration.  He appealed to the discretionary power of the Department...Mr. Katzenbach then noted that if the Council made a full disclosure of the receipt and expenditure of the funds it had received from the Jewish Agency so that such information would then be available for public inspection the purposes and objectives of the Registration Act might well be accomplished and very likely there would be nothing further for the Government to do..."

https://www.jfklibrary.org/learn/about- ... -president
Shortly after noon on November 22, 1963, President John F. Kennedy was assassinated as he rode in a motorcade through Dealey Plaza in downtown Dallas, Texas.
 
 
 

jerrab » 28 Aug 2024, 10:28 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2024, 10:28 pm

https://www.jfklibrary.org/learn/about- ... -president
Shortly after noon on November 22, 1963, President John F. Kennedy was assassinated as he rode in a motorcade through Dealey Plaza in downtown Dallas, Texas.

The issue.  You people are highly critical of Israel and the great man who wanted jew filith ousted.  Any positive talk of Hitler is censored, banned, vilified etc.  Even academics who speak of Hitler's good qualities are careful to be apologists.  

You people want to have it both ways.  

jerrab » 28 Aug 2024, 10:17 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2024, 10:17 pm

more information--

https://www.israellobby.org/azcdoj/

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I like reading primary source documents.  Thanks.  

----In the 1960s the AIPAC received several donations from Abraham Feinberg. Feinberg was designated by Israeli Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion in 1958 to be the primary American "benedictor" organizing private donations for Israel's clandestine nuclear weapons program. In 1962 the AZC was ordered to begin registering as an Israeli foreign agent by the US Department of Justice. The Senate Committee on Foreign Relations hearings in 1963 revealed that the AZC had laundered more than $5 million in Jewish Agency funds into US public relations and lobbying activities (including to Kenen's Near East Report) over a period of two years.

Six weeks after the AZC FARA registration order, the still unassociated AIPAC incorporated in Washington, DC and the AZC's former lobbying division assumed all major functions of the AZC. AZC umbrella member organizations such as Hadassah and the Zionist Organization of America, along with many newcomers, later became permanent members of the AIPAC's executive committee.-------------

https://www.israellobby.org/AZCPA/
 
 

jerrab » 28 Aug 2024, 10:47 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2024, 10:47 pm

In the 1960s the AIPAC received several donations from Abraham Feinberg. Feinberg was designated by Israeli Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion in 1958 to be the primary American "benedictor" organizing private donations for Israel's clandestine nuclear weapons program. In 1962 the AZC was ordered to begin registering as an Israeli foreign agent by the US Department of Justice. The Senate Committee on Foreign Relations hearings in 1963 revealed that the AZC had laundered more than $5 million in Jewish Agency funds into US public relations and lobbying activities (including to Kenen's Near East Report) over a period of two years.

Six weeks after the AZC FARA registration order, the still unassociated AIPAC incorporated in Washington, DC and the AZC's former lobbying division assumed all major functions of the AZC. AZC umbrella member organizations such as Hadassah and the Zionist Organization of America, along with many newcomers, later became permanent members of the AIPAC's executive committee.

But once it's a done deal, no one cares.  People go on with their workaday lives.  

Are you paid to post here?  Or, do is this just some recreational activity because you're a retired old lady?  I assume the latter; however, if it's the former, then what is your goal?

-----------Some love AIPAC, some hate it, some fear it — but it is a huge factor in U.S. policy, in American politics and in American Jewish life.

AIPAC’s beginnings in the 1950s reveal the long journey the group has traveled as it has grown in size and stature. It once operated in obscurity; now its influence lies partly in its genius for publicity. But some things have remained consistent: It has always responded to Israeli actions, working to mitigate their impact on the American scene. At the same time, it has welded a united front of American Jews in support of Israel, a unity that politicians have had to respect-----------

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mad ... ael-lobby/
 

Independence » 28 Aug 2024, 10:53 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2024, 10:53 pm

But once it's a done deal, no one cares.  People go on with their workaday lives.  

Are you paid to post here?  Or, do is this just some recreational activity because you're a retired old lady?  I assume the latter; however, if it's the former, then what is your goal?

the truth needs to be known. part of aipac 's aim is to keep america  supporting israel no matter what and that is why anyone who speaks against israel is arrested or targeted to get unelected.

jerrab » 28 Aug 2024, 11:05 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2024, 11:05 pm

the truth needs to be known. part of aipac 's aim is to keep america  supporting israel no matter what and that is why anyone who speaks against israel is arrested or targeted to get unelected.

Exactly.  Like this guy:

Man who taught pet pug to give Nazi salutes and posted footage on Youtube found guilty of 'gross offence'



https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/c ... 65301.html
 
 
 

jerra b » 28 Aug 2024, 9:17 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2024, 9:17 pm

how much are we paying to kill civilians??

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Since the start of  Israel's war with Hamas on October 7, 2023, the United States has enacted legislation providing at least $12.5 billion in military aid to Israel, which includes $3.8 billion from a bill in March 2024 (in line with the current MOU) and $8.7 billion from a supplemental appropriations act in April 2024.

What are ancestors compared to "civilians"?

What is a specific ancestry?

How does what you were at conception become a theory of arrival after birth?

All three questions have the same answer. You chose to believe life isn't self evident time genetics leaves you adapting in space uniquely alive conceived to decomposed when your body changing form from fertilized cell to decomposed corpse. The decomposing process just returns your cellular shape back to the periodic elements that gave them a functioning form ashes to as here dust to dust your ex body becomes part of fossil fuels in a few million years..Just like the dinosaur era is now.

jerra b » 28 Aug 2024, 9:08 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2024, 9:08 pm

I don't know about  carter but israel has been getting billions of dollars every year and yes aipac uses this money to buy american politicians from mayors to senators to presidents.
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https://www.cfr.org/article/us-aid-israel-four-charts

Israel has been the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign aid since its founding, receiving about $310 billion (adjusted for inflation) in total economic and military assistance. The United States has also provided large foreign aid packages to other Middle Eastern countries, particularly Egypt and Iraq, but Israel stands apart.------------------ 

and if they don't go along with israel, the money gets cut off and the ones who promise to support israel gets the money. 
 
 

You don't care life is self evident time limited to your adapting in space since conceived. You defend ideologies until extinction is achieved ignoring your body only exists as eternally separated daily. You dream/imagine life larger than your time adapting here now. That is your fault. nd everyone else dreaming life is more than time one has since conceived to stay alive each next rotation heartbeat by heartbeat, body never stays same total.sum twice.

Called aging one day at a time, one step at a time here so far. Simple compounding series parallel situation all ancestries of the food chain endure regardless pant or animal, predator or prey, asexual, male, female body type in each generation gap inhativing space this rotation.

Self evident as to how, why, what, where, when, which, who you have been since a fertilized cell added to replace its 4 previous generation chromosome donors. 30:1 compression ratio keeping every ancestor unlike any other ever conceived so far and since added.

What established each lifetimes time uniquely here as equally timed apart naturally not equally able to survive on their own talent. Why there are predators and prey natures. Eternal balancing act life evolves through daily one generation gap at a time 5 generations alive same time each ancestral lineage does or doesn't continue tomorrow.

Life in its simplest measure by chromosomes within the streaming DNA transfers present. I account for all humans occupying time daily in this atmosphere, not by name or location but how and why they arrived same way I did. Equality without a doubt reasonable by social consensus or not.

Mrkelly » 28 Aug 2024, 5:17 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2024, 5:17 pm

Maybe that is why he keeps you around 

to keep his biscuits clean

just a guess

Scream "I'm retired!" and me again and this time tell me what you meant by that?  Was that your online version of standing in the yard yelling, "Get of my sidewalk!" at people walking by?

Cannonpointer » 28 Aug 2024, 5:51 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2024, 5:51 pm

That's really gay, Petunia. 

Moring Karen Pointer....I see you're having another "Karen Day!"

31stArrival » 29 Aug 2024, 4:13 am » wrote: ↑

29 Aug 2024, 4:13 am

You don't care life is self evident time limited to your adapting in space since conceived. You defend ideologies until extinction is achieved ignoring your body only exists as eternally separated daily. You dream/imagine life larger than your time adapting here now. That is your fault. nd everyone else dreaming life is more than time one has since conceived to stay alive each next rotation heartbeat by heartbeat, body never stays same total.sum twice.

Called aging one day at a time, one step at a time here so far. Simple compounding series parallel situation all ancestries of the food chain endure regardless pant or animal, predator or prey, asexual, male, female body type in each generation gap inhativing space this rotation.

Self evident as to how, why, what, where, when, which, who you have been since a fertilized cell added to replace its 4 previous generation chromosome donors. 30:1 compression ratio keeping every ancestor unlike any other ever conceived so far and since added.

What established each lifetimes time uniquely here as equally timed apart naturally not equally able to survive on their own talent. Why there are predators and prey natures. Eternal balancing act life evolves through daily one generation gap at a time 5 generations alive same time each ancestral lineage does or doesn't continue tomorrow.

Life in its simplest measure by chromosomes within the streaming DNA transfers present. I account for all humans occupying time daily in this atmosphere, not by name or location but how and why they arrived same way I did. Equality without a doubt reasonable by social consensus or not.

is your goal in life is to make as little of sense as possible?
 

 

 
 

jerra b » 29 Aug 2024, 7:09 am » wrote: ↑

29 Aug 2024, 7:09 am

is your goal in life is to make as little of sense as possible?
 

will you explain how evolving keeps you you since conception living in an ever changing form each rotation different that all previous ones combined and changing daily with each heartbeat you get?

That is what I include in my posts showing why I am equally alive today since the day I was conceived there is no record of anywhere in history except for the date of birth 0-9 months after I was conceived.

My original form in life was my fertilized cell that never existed before. and hasn't been same shape since. Why do you age every heartbeat spontaneously different than every other heart beating in the food chain here now as simultaneously existing in plain sight your eyes can only navigate your position living?

I explain natural evolving process why you debate the theory evolution exists any other way. Mankind has 21 religions and 1,043 political parties between 5 ancestral lineages and 5 generation gaps alive today. 8.12 billion ancestors combined. Accountability for my time being me.

Stooges are fooled by fools promising life isn't self evident tim adapting since conceived.Results are ignorance, stupidity, insanity, corruption in every social order protecting human rights to believe life isn't eternally separated as genetically positioned now.

I described how and why I am uniquely here same as you are uniquely alive. You typecast as we, stereotype anyone or any group not complying as they, them, those people. We as a species are the living combinations of 5 ancestral lineages of 5 generation gaps amounting to the current daily population left alive each rotation forward.

Everyone dying to stay in character protected by rule of law says I speak nonsense and gibberish.

31stArrival » 29 Aug 2024, 7:20 am » wrote: ↑

29 Aug 2024, 7:20 am

will you explain how evolving keeps you you since conception living in an ever changing form each rotation different that all previous ones combined and changing daily with each heartbeat you get?

That is what I include in my posts showing why I am equally alive today since the day I was conceived there is no record of anywhere in history except for the date of birth 0-9 months after I was conceived.

My original form in life was my fertilized cell that never existed before. and hasn't been same shape since. Why do you age every heartbeat spontaneously different than every other heart beating in the food chain here now as simultaneously existing in plain sight your eyes can only navigate your position living?

I explain natural evolving process why you debate the theory evolution exists any other way. Mankind has 21 religions and 1,043 political parties between 5 ancestral lineages and 5 generation gaps alive today. 8.12 billion ancestors combined. Accountability for my time being me.

Stooges are fooled by fools promising life isn't self evident tim adapting since conceived.Results are ignorance, stupidity, insanity, corruption in every social order protecting human rights to believe life isn't eternally separated as genetically positioned now.

I described how and why I am uniquely here same as you are uniquely alive. You typecast as we, stereotype anyone or any group not complying as they, them, those people. We as a species are the living combinations of 5 ancestral lineages of 5 generation gaps amounting to the current daily population left alive each rotation forward.

Everyone dying to stay in character protected by rule of law says I speak nonsense and gibberish.

wow!  you have changed  since you were first conceived. what a shock.

jerra b » 29 Aug 2024, 10:47 am » wrote: ↑

29 Aug 2024, 10:47 am

wow!  you have changed  since you were first conceived. what a shock.

But how I describe changing is completely different from why you say you exist in plain sight.I don't separate ancestors beyond their individual time adapting as displaced daily every rotation of the planet by thermo dynamic principles not debate between evolution theories and creationist theologies..

31stArrival » 29 Aug 2024, 1:20 pm » wrote: ↑

29 Aug 2024, 1:20 pm

But how I describe changing is completely different from why you say you exist in plain sight.I don't separate ancestors beyond their individual time adapting as displaced daily every rotation of the planet by thermo dynamic principles not debate between evolution theories and creationist theologies..

this is too much to believe. you had ancestors!!!!! don't tell me you had ancestors that lived more than  300 hundred years ago. I simply can't believe that.

jerra b » 29 Aug 2024, 11:41 pm » wrote: ↑

29 Aug 2024, 11:41 pm

this is too much to believe. you had ancestors!!!!! don't tell me you had ancestors that lived more than  300 hundred years ago. I simply can't believe that.

I wouldn't exist without ancestry, the ancestors as my two children put me into their ancestry as 2 parents being 50% their unique chromosomes. their 4 grandparents making up 25%, their 8 great grandparents making up 12.5%. their 16 great great grandparents being 6.25%.

Know where the remaining 6.25% actually comes from? Parents reproductive cells mature individually males millions of sperm, mothers single egg. OH the odds of first sperm in leaves the specific fertilized cell lived eternally separated since that event, daily until the day the body's heart stops beating.

The core of all this insanity over blaming money for the root of all evil, is a hoax.