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maineman » 27 Aug 2024, 12:29 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Aug 2024, 12:29 pm

You're a partisan hack and an illiterate fool.  I served in uniform for 25 years, the first 23 of which were during the Cold War.  Reagan did his part, but I know what our continued pressure on the Soviet Union during my entire time in service accomplished.  It wasn't won by the actions in the 80's alone. 

And as far as Teddy is concerned, I never cast one vote for him, and if he had ever been on my ballot, I would not have voted for him.

Oh, so Teddy murdering one girl forces you to abandon him, but Biden murders 13 Marines, and you would have rushed out to vote in order to help give him another term!
Why?  To see how many more he can let be murdered by the hundreds of criminals, rapists, murderers, pedophiles, drug dealers, and human traffickers he's happily welcoming into the country?  Can you admit that you see no reason to stop him from continuing it and allowing Kamala to add to it with 4 years of the same if she were to win?

Is there ANYTHING in that liberal head of yours that can conceive of the damage he and Kamala have done to this country with his open borders policies ALONE?!??  And when you add on to his resume his record inflation, record high gas prices, the weaponizing of every federal agency, the conspiracy they created to throw Biden overboard while disallowing any competition to his primary in order to install Kamala in an outright coup, it clearly shows that you care NOTHING about the rule of law and that you'll happily play the role of an agreeable chimp with whatever **** they employ as long as they tell you its really expressing "democracy" when its far closer to Marxism than anything else!!

You sure are one gullible cretin, aren't you?
 

Zeets2 » 27 Aug 2024, 1:02 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Aug 2024, 1:02 pm

Oh, so Teddy murdering one girl forces you to abandon him, but Biden murders 13 Marines, and you would have rushed out to vote in order to help give him another term!
Why?  To see how many more he can let be murdered by the hundreds of criminals, rapists, murderers, pedophiles, drug dealers, and human traffickers he's happily welcoming into the country?  Can you admit that you see no reason to stop him from continuing it and allowing Kamala to add to it with 4 years of the same if she were to win?

Is there ANYTHING in that liberal head of yours that can conceive of the damage he and Kamala have done to this country with his open borders policies ALONE?!??  And when you add on to his resume his record inflation, record high gas prices, the weaponizing of every federal agency, the conspiracy they created to throw Biden overboard while disallowing any competition to his primary in order to install Kamala in an outright coup, it clearly shows that you care NOTHING about the rule of law and that you'll happily play the role of an agreeable chimp with whatever **** they employ as long as they tell you its really expressing "democracy" when its far closer to Marxism than anything else!!

You sure are one gullible cretin, aren't you?

I served the last six years of the Cold War and was in Germany right after the wall came.  What Reagan did was outspend them.  It was the straw that broke their collective backs.  Reagan’s SDI proposal, or Star Wars, caused them to go broke.

After the wall came down we learned their equipment sucked, was under maintained and most of the stuff around the border was there for show.  

*Huey » 27 Aug 2024, 1:09 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Aug 2024, 1:09 pm

I served the last six years of the Cold War and was in Germany right after the wall came.  What Reagan did was outspend them.  It was the straw that broke their collective backs.  Reagan’s SDI proposal, or Star Wars, caused them to go broke.

After the wall came down we learned their equipment sucked, was under maintained and most of the stuff around the border was there for show.

Of course he did, and dickheads like MM would have their head explode before willingly give him the credit he deserves!
 

Zeets2 » 27 Aug 2024, 1:02 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Aug 2024, 1:02 pm

Oh, so Teddy murdering one girl forces you to abandon him, but Biden murders 13 Marines, and you would have rushed out to vote in order to help give him another term!
Why?  To see how many more he can let be murdered by the hundreds of criminals, rapists, murderers, pedophiles, drug dealers, and human traffickers he's happily welcoming into the country?  Can you admit that you see no reason to stop him from continuing it and allowing Kamala to add to it with 4 years of the same if she were to win?

Is there ANYTHING in that liberal head of yours that can conceive of the damage he and Kamala have done to this country with his open borders policies ALONE?!??  And when you add on to his resume his record inflation, record high gas prices, the weaponizing of every federal agency, the conspiracy they created to throw Biden overboard while disallowing any competition to his primary in order to install Kamala in an outright coup, it clearly shows that you care NOTHING about the rule of law and that you'll happily play the role of an agreeable chimp with whatever **** they employ as long as they tell you its really expressing "democracy" when its far closer to Marxism than anything else!!

You sure are one gullible cretin, aren't you?

you really drank the Kool-Aid, didn't you?

Teddy's drove the car into the water.  

Joe Biden did not murder anyone.  

Global inflation happened for two reasons:  COVID-19 and Russia invading Ukraine.  The US is among the nations who have recovered from that GOLBAL economic shock the fastest.

The borders have ALWAYS been open.  How many MILLION people crossed illegally during the Trump administration?  Did any of THEM bring fentanyl with them?  Did any of THEM rape or murder anyone or did all that just start magically happening when Joe was inaugurated.  

Biden dropped out of the race.  His call.  He did the right thing.  There is nothing that violates the rule of law in Kamala's nomination process.  I dare you to find "primary elections" in the Constitution.  

And you don't have a **** CLUE what Marxism even is, idiot

At least you abandoned your ridiculous "The Gipper singlehandedly won the Cold War" line of ****.

Zeets2 » 27 Aug 2024, 1:18 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Aug 2024, 1:18 pm

Of course he did, and dickheads like MM would have their head explode before willingly give him the credit he deserves!

We knew the Soviet Union was failing long before Ronnie came along.  I said he played his role, but we KNEW that their military hardware was largely inoperative in the 70's.  It was a steady push to drive their economy into submission and it started with Ike and it ended with Bush Sr.

13 dead ***.

Thanks Taliban!!

Sumela » 27 Aug 2024, 1:33 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Aug 2024, 1:33 pm

13 dead ***.

Thanks Taliban!!

STATISTICALLY, only two were ***, and one was a tranny.

The other two were "gay adjacent" and "questioning," respectively. 
 
Edit: I only accounted for five, because the other 8 probably deserted. 

maineman » 27 Aug 2024, 1:25 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Aug 2024, 1:25 pm

We knew the Soviet Union was failing long before Ronnie came along.  I said he played his role, but we KNEW that their military hardware was largely inoperative in the 70's.  It was a steady push to drive their economy into submission and it started with Ike and it ended with Bush Sr.

Balderdash. It hasn't ended. 

Bammy overthrowing the Democracy in Ukraine was part of the ongoing NATO mission to crush Russia.
 

Cannonpointer » 27 Aug 2024, 1:36 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Aug 2024, 1:36 pm

STATISTICALLY, only two were ***, and one was a tranny.

The other two were "gay adjacent" and "questioning," respectively.

  The word on the street is that they committed suicide

after being told that they would have to leave their Taliban lovers behind.
 

Sumela » 27 Aug 2024, 1:39 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Aug 2024, 1:39 pm

  The word on the street is that they committed suicide

after being told that they would have to leave their Taliban lovers behind.

You mean behinds.   
 

Case in point. I can vividly remember a deployment on the USS Farragut in the late 70's in the North Atlantic. We were operating with one of our bird farms in a typical NATO carrier task force and we came upon a Kresta II class cruiser. We lit it up with fire control radar - a pretty provocative move, but SOP - and the Kresta II responded by activating her missile launching system and turning the launchers to point at the carrier. Next thing we knew, they had missiles out of the magazines loaded on every rail. Whoa! That was scary stuff...... NOT.

Why not? They didn't have any fire control radar that was operable and they didn't radiate anything other than a surface search radar the entire encounter... with US Navy fighters and attack aircraft flying all around. No operable fire control radar, no air search radar.

They were nothing but a tug boat dressed up like a battleship for Halloween.

Reagan didn't do that.

Cannonpointer » 27 Aug 2024, 1:40 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Aug 2024, 1:40 pm

You mean behinds. 

   
 

Cannonpointer » 27 Aug 2024, 1:37 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Aug 2024, 1:37 pm

Balderdash. It hasn't ended. 

Bammy overthrowing the Democracy in Ukraine was part of the ongoing NATO mission to crush Russia.

^^^ The Kool-Aid is strong in this one.  

maineman » 27 Aug 2024, 1:22 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Aug 2024, 1:22 pm

Joe Biden did not murder anyone.  

Global inflation happened for two reasons:  COVID-19 and Russia invading Ukraine.  The US is among the nations who have recovered from that GOLBAL economic shock the fastest.

The borders have ALWAYS been open.  How many MILLION people crossed illegally during the Trump administration?  Did any of THEM bring fentanyl with them?  Did any of THEM rape or murder anyone or did all that just start magically happening when Joe was inaugurated.  

Biden dropped out of the race.  His call.  He did the right thing.  There is nothing that violates the rule of law in Kamala's nomination process.  I dare you to find "primary elections" in the Constitution.  

And you don't have a **** CLUE what Marxism even is, idiot

At least you abandoned your ridiculous "The Gipper singlehandedly won the Cold War" line of ****.

Did you also believe Biden's lies when he tries to make the absurd claim that "no servicemen died under his watch"?
How proud of him were you as you observed him constantly looking at his watch as the remains of those 13 Marines were unloaded from the plane as their parents and family members watched Biden with disgust, then hear him deny the facts of those deaths he caused?
That's the "commander-in-chief" you're SO proud of, isn't it?

And you clearly know NOTHING about what caused Biden's record inflation, so stop pretending you do, fool!
Just like you know NOTHING about how Trump's efforts led to the lowest number of illegals crossing into the US in decades!
NOBODY ever said that Trump's policies stopped every last illegal from entering the country, but do you want to try defending what your idiot did to cause THIS kind of illegal invasion?:

And Biden was NEVER given a choice to remain the Democrat nominee!  EVERY PROMINENT DEMOCRAT DEMANDED HE GET OUT OF THE RACE, and such stringent opposition by his own party forced his poll numbers to tank as they attacked him without mercy!  THAT'S YOUR HERO!

And now you're going to try to make the stupid claim that what your corrupt party has done IS NOT CLOSER TO MARXISM THAN DEMOCRACY!?!?
YOU'RE the clueless buffoon here and the most gullible Democrat in their party!
Go read Marx's Communist Manifesto and THEN try making the claim about the nobility of these assholes you support!!!
 

Zeets2 » 27 Aug 2024, 2:21 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Aug 2024, 2:21 pm

1.  And you clearly know NOTHING about what caused Biden's record inflation, so stop pretending you do, fool!
2. And Biden was NEVER given a choice to remain the Democrat nominee!  EVERY PROMINENT DEMOCRAT DEMANDED HE GET OUT OF THE RACE, and such stringent opposition by his own party forced his poll numbers to tank as they attacked him without mercy!  THAT'S YOUR HERO!

3. And now you're going to try to make the stupid claim that what your corrupt party has done IS NOT CLOSER TO MARXISM THAN DEMOCRACY!?!?
YOU'RE the clueless buffoon here and the most gullible Democrat in their party!
Go read Marx's Communist Manifesto and THEN try making the claim about the nobility of these assholes you support!!!

I told you what caused inflation.  On one hand, you try to portray Biden as this feeble, incompetent, doddering old fool but then claim that he has singlehandedly thrown the economy of the entire planet into a recession that was all about Biden - the head of the Biden Crime Family - somehow pulling the strings that caused the entire world's supply chain to collapse and every nation on the planet to experience inflation and an economic downturn.

2.  Biden always had a choice.  He did not need anyone to agree with him.  He already had the committed delegates.  His poll numbers were already way behind Trump BEFORE the disastrous debate performance.  Kamala stood by him.  I stood by him.  My wife stood by him.  A lot of democrats stood by him.  Jim Clyburn stood by him.  And yes, I am very proud of Joe Biden for putting country before self... a concept that has NEVER crossed Donald Trump's mind.

3.  Tell me how a nation that holds free and fair elections, where private industry drives the economy, where the stock market flourishes, and where entrepreneurial risks are rewarded is not democratic but somehow "Marxist."

Do we espouse the dialectic?  Not at all
Do we have the dictatorship of the proletariat?  no
Do we espouse the labor theory of value?  Absolutely not.  The marketplace alone determines value
Do we define American history with Marx's Historical materialism?  No.  American history's driving force was always manifest destiny.
Do we espouse a revolution that will overthrow the trappings of American democracy?  clearly not

You see, moron.  I studied Marxism and Leninism a LOT at the Naval Academy.  Back then, the theory was that warriors needed to know their enemies.  I have read the "Communist Manifesto." I have read "Das Kapital," "What Is To Be Done,"  "The State and Revolution," and  "Imperialism: The Highest Form of Capitalism."  My roommate called me a "Lenin Geek."

Seriously.  YOU don't know what the **** you are talking about, Junior.  Run along and piss on someone else's leg.  You **** bore me with your inanity.

 
 

maineman » 27 Aug 2024, 2:19 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Aug 2024, 2:19 pm

^^^ The Obama Kool-Aid.... I drain from his cock 

 
 

maineman » 27 Aug 2024, 2:19 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Aug 2024, 2:19 pm

^^^ The Kool-Aid is strong in this one.

Easy to jabber. Defend it.

Where was the koolaid? Was it in the claim that obama overthrew Ukraine's democracy? If so, say so.

Was it in the claim that NATO has never backed off harassing Russia? If so, say so. 

Otherwise, your post is effeminate ****-mouthing, for want of substance.
 

Cannonpointer » 27 Aug 2024, 9:39 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Aug 2024, 9:39 pm

Easy to jabber. Defend it.

Where was the koolaid? Was it in the claim that obama overthrew Ukraine's democracy? If so, say so.

Was it in the claim that NATO has never backed off harassing Russia? If so, say so. 

Otherwise, your post is effeminate ****-mouthing, for want of substance.

the former.

prove it.

Otherwise it is nothing but bluster.

maineman » 27 Aug 2024, 10:29 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Aug 2024, 10:29 pm

the former.

prove it.

Otherwise it is nothing but bluster.

Here's Victoria Nuland, who was assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian affairs and the senior state department official dealing with Ukraine, discussing with the U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine who would be in the puppet government after the U.S. orchestrated overthrow of Ukraine's ELECTED government. 

The tape was released by the Kremlin, at a great cost to their secrecy (they had to expose capacities they would benefit from keeping sub rosa). 

This was TOP AMERICAN OFFICIALS deciding who would be in the new Ukrainian government. 

This plot was in the face of absolute disagreement from the E.U. Nuland's response to that was "**** the E.U." She names Vice President Biden as a co-conspirator.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoW75J5bnnE

Here is the U.S. admitting the tape's contents are legitimate:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ozbdm5AJIR8

Here is Nuland admitting it was her on the tape and expressing admiration for the tradecraft which caught her discussing who would be allowed to govern Ukraine in the coup she was plotting, and who would be told to stand down:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdygnTrrGVI

I've shown that the top U.S. diplomat in the Ukraine theater was plotting with the U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine to effect a coup, laying out who would be allowed to be in the junta that supplanted Ukraine's elected government. Need anything else?

 
 

maineman » 27 Aug 2024, 3:28 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Aug 2024, 3:28 pm

3.  Tell me how a nation that holds free and fair elections, where private industry drives the economy, where the stock market flourishes, and where entrepreneurial risks are rewarded is not democratic but somehow "Marxist."

Do we espouse the dialectic?  Not at all
Do we have the dictatorship of the proletariat?  no
Do we espouse the labor theory of value?  Absolutely not.  The marketplace alone determines value
Do we define American history with Marx's Historical materialism?  No.  American history's driving force was always manifest destiny.
Do we espouse a revolution that will overthrow the trappings of American democracy?  clearly not

You see, moron.  I studied Marxism and Leninism a LOT at the Naval Academy.  Back then, the theory was that warriors needed to know their enemies.  I have read the "Communist Manifesto." I have read "Das Kapital," "What Is To Be Done,"  "The State and Revolution," and  "Imperialism: The Highest Form of Capitalism."  My roommate called me a "Lenin Geek."

Seriously.  YOU don't know what the **** you are talking about, Junior.  Run along and piss on someone else's leg.  You **** bore me with your inanity.

Wow, finally a great rebuttal @Cannonpointer

I laughed at @Zeets2  a while back for suggesting San Fran was a beacon of soshalizm. I said the billions of private investor dollars shoveled into their overpriced RE market and startup ecosystem for the sake of PRIVATE PROFIT was an example of capitalism. Z Thinks anything resembling “equality” like food stamps and welfare and DEI initiatives = soshalizm.