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LowIQTrash » 27 Aug 2024, 11:03 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Aug 2024, 11:03 pm

Wow, finally a great rebuttal @Cannonpointer

I laughed at @Zeets2  a while back for suggesting San Fran was a beacon of soshalizm. I said the billions of private investor dollars shoveled into their overpriced RE market and startup ecosystem for the sake of PRIVATE PROFIT was an example of capitalism. Z Thinks anything resembling “equality” like food stamps and welfare and DEI initiatives = soshalizm.

Yes, well, even @maineman  can best Zeke. I mean, so can my pit bull - and they're NOT the smartest dogs. 

Watching a midwit shred a paper tiger? Meh.

Let's see how he handles being shown that the Obama administration overthrew Ukraine's democracy.

He called me out on that - and out I came, slugging.
 
This is a speech she gave during the Maidan uprising which the U.S. orchestrated, admitting that the U.S. had spent five billion at that point pushing Ukraine to deal with the E.U. and the IMF, turning away from their alliance with Russia:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2fYcHLouXY#t=504
 

Cannonpointer » 27 Aug 2024, 11:07 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Aug 2024, 11:07 pm

Yes, well, even @maineman  can best Zeke. I mean, so can my pit bull - and they're NOT the smartest dogs. 

Watching a midwit shred a paper tiger? Meh.

Let's see how he handles being shown that the Obama administration overthrew Ukraine's democracy.

He called me out on that - and out I came, slugging.
 
This is a speech she gave during the Maidan uprising which the U.S. orchestrated, admitting that the U.S. had spent five billion at that point pushing Ukraine to deal with the E.U. and the IMF, turning away from their alliance with Russia:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2fYcHLouXY#t=504

By pit bull, you mean @Skans ?   

Cannonpointer » 27 Aug 2024, 11:07 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Aug 2024, 11:07 pm

Yes, well, even @maineman  can best Zeke. I mean, so can my pit bull - and they're NOT the smartest dogs. 

Watching a midwit shred a paper tiger? Meh.

Let's see how he handles being shown that the Obama administration overthrew Ukraine's democracy.

He called me out on that - and out I came, slugging.
 
This is a speech she gave during the Maidan uprising which the U.S. orchestrated, admitting that the U.S. had spent five billion at that point pushing Ukraine to deal with the E.U. and the IMF, turning away from their alliance with Russia:

What's wrong with America wanting to help Ukraine join the European community?  Do you have some grudge against Europeans?  Are you a Putin lover?

The Cold War was WON in 1991 when the USSR collapsed.  We have done all we can to make sure that Putin cannot bring it back to life.  I applaud those efforts.

Cannonpointer » 27 Aug 2024, 10:51 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Aug 2024, 10:51 pm

Here's Victoria Nuland, who was assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian affairs and the senior state department official dealing with Ukraine, discussing with the U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine who would be in the puppet government after the U.S. orchestrated overthrow of Ukraine's ELECTED government. 

The tape was released by the Kremlin, at a great cost to their secrecy (they had to expose capacities they would benefit from keeping sub rosa). 

This was TOP AMERICAN OFFICIALS deciding who would be in the new Ukrainian government. 

This plot was in the face of absolute disagreement from the E.U. Nuland's response to that was "**** the E.U." She names Vice President Biden as a co-conspirator.


Here is the U.S. admitting the tape's contents are legitimate:


Here is Nuland admitting it was her on the tape and expressing admiration for the tradecraft which caught her discussing who would be allowed to govern Ukraine in the coup she was plotting, and who would be told to stand down:


I've shown that the top U.S. diplomat in the Ukraine theater was plotting with the U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine to effect a coup, laying out who would be allowed to be in the junta that supplanted Ukraine's elected government. Need anything else?

I don't see any PROOF that Obama overthrew the government of Ukraine.  I see evidence that the US was talking with opposition leaders.  Neither Obama nor Nuland nor Biden overthrew anything.

Maybe you could find some more YouTube videos that fail to make your case and spam the thread with them?
 

maineman » 28 Aug 2024, 7:44 am » wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2024, 7:44 am

I don't see any PROOF that Obama overthrew the government of Ukraine.  I see evidence that the US was talking with opposition leaders.  Neither Obama nor Nuland nor Biden overthrew anything.

Maybe you could find some more YouTube videos that fail to make your case and spam the thread with them?

Do you have any knowledge how Hunter Biden got a job in Ukraine?
 

LowIQTrash » 28 Aug 2024, 12:10 am » wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2024, 12:10 am

By pit bull, you mean @Skans ?  mg:

lol

maineman » 28 Aug 2024, 7:30 am » wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2024, 7:30 am

What's wrong with America wanting to help Ukraine join the European community?  Do you have some grudge against Europeans?  Are you a Putin lover?

The Cold War was WON in 1991 when the USSR collapsed.  We have done all we can to make sure that Putin cannot bring it back to life.  I applaud those efforts.

Heck, we was just tryin ta help, heck.

So. you challenged me to prove that the Obama administration participated in the overthrow of the democratically constituted government in Ukraine. You CALLED ME OUT on it.

I demonstrated our top official, the assistant secretary of state for european and euraian affairs, Victoria Nuland, conspiring with the Ambassador to Ukraine to set up an unelected coup government, naming who should be in it and who should remain on the outside.

And your response to this is to ****-mouth, Major burns?             

Like old Chunk from the old board (now defunct, having lost and failed and not prevailed) always said: The NHB format brings out the real person. In you, we see a weak chinned **** heel.

Thanks for signifying, shorty.   
 
 

maineman » 28 Aug 2024, 7:44 am » wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2024, 7:44 am

I don't see any PROOF that Obama overthrew the government of Ukraine.  I see evidence that the US was talking with opposition leaders COUP PLOTTERS.  Neither Obama nor Nuland nor Biden overthrew anything.

Maybe you could find some more YouTube videos that fail to make your case and spam the thread with them?

Yeah yeah, ****-mouth Burns. We got ya. 

You asked, I delivered, you ****-mouthed. 

You applied PRECISELY the level of honesty I expected from one who believes toddlers have sexual agency and women should be forced to compete with men in martial arts and basketball. 
 
 

Cannonpointer » 28 Aug 2024, 9:43 am » wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2024, 9:43 am

Heck, we was just tryin ta help, heck.

So. you challenged me to prove that the Obama administration participated in the overthrow of the democratically constituted government in Ukraine. You CALLED ME OUT on it.

I demonstrated our top official, the assistant secretary of state for european and euraian affairs, Victoria Nuland, conspiring with the Ambassador to Ukraine to set up an unelected coup government, naming who should be in it and who should remain on the outside.

And your response to this is to ****-mouth, Major burns?             

Like old Chunk from the old board (now defunct, having lost and failed and not prevailed) always said: The NHB format brings out the real person. In you, we see a weak chinned **** heel.

Thanks for signifying, shorty. 

I challenged you to prove that the Obama administration overthrew the government of Ukraine.  You have not done so.  

maineman » 28 Aug 2024, 10:17 am » wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2024, 10:17 am

I challenged you to prove that the Obama administration overthrew the government of Ukraine.  You have not done so.

GO BACK TO CHINA WHILE YOU STILL CAN BITCH BOY

maineman » 28 Aug 2024, 10:17 am » wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2024, 10:17 am

I challenged you to prove that the Obama administration overthrew the government of Ukraine.  You have not done so.

I provided the tape of our two highest officials in that theater deciding who would be in and who would be out, and saying **** the E.U. if they don't wanna go along. 

What you characterized as "opposition leaders" they were "talking to" were COUP PLOTTERS whom they empowered and conspired with and directed and were caught doing so.

When the top U.S. officials in the region are caught openly deciding which "opposition leaders" will be allowed to participate in the coup government and which will not, only a little girl would pretend not to see what she has been shown. 

When Putin made the calculated decision to release that tape and thereby alert U.S. intel of his capability - burning that capability, - he did not count on people like you. He believed the tip of his hand worth it, as it was dealing a death blow to our reindeer games in Ukraine. He thinks like a man, and he assumes that others do. 

What we both know is that I met your challenge in spades, and you planted your little feet and said nuh uh, prove it harder, prove it in a court of law, get an indictment and a conviction. You've CHOSEN to be a punk, and it's now ingrained, and there's no road back. 
 

Cannonpointer » 28 Aug 2024, 10:28 am » wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2024, 10:28 am

I provided the tape of our two highest officials in that theater deciding who would be in and who would be out, and saying **** the E.U. if they don't wanna go along. 

What you characterized as "opposition leaders" they were "talking to" were COUP PLOTTERS whom they empowered and conspired with and directed and were caught doing so.

When the top U.S. officials in the region are caught openly deciding which "opposition leaders" will be allowed to participate in the coup government and which will not, only a little girl would pretend not to see what she has been shown. 

When Putin made the calculated decision to release that tape and thereby alert U.S. intel of his capability - burning that capability, - he did not count on people like you. He believed the tip of his hand worth it, as it was dealing a death blow to our reindeer games in Ukraine. He thinks like a man, and he assumes that others do. 

What we both know is that I met your challenge in spades, and you planted your little feet and said nuh uh, prove it harder, prove it in a court of law, get an indictment and a conviction. You've CHOSEN to be a punk, and it's now ingrained, and there's no road back.

cool story.  I like all that stuff you jammed between the lines.  

maineman » 28 Aug 2024, 10:57 am » wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2024, 10:57 am

cool story.  I like all that stuff you jammed between the lines.

Yeah - cool story. "We was only HELPIN. Helpin tha "opposition leaders." Heck, just helpin and stuff.

You're the board expert on stories, child. Take your beating and limp away like a good girl.

Cannonpointer » 28 Aug 2024, 11:03 am » wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2024, 11:03 am

Yeah - cool story. "We was only HELPIN. Helpin tha "opposition leaders." Heck, just helpin and stuff.

You're the board expert on stories, child. Take your beating and limp away like a good girl.

As I understand it, three days before the Nuland and Pyatt recorded phone call, Yanukovich had offered to include two members of the opposition in HIS government to calm the Maidan protests in Ukraine, one being that of HIS Prime Minister.  The two Americans were discussing who they thought might be the best two candidates for those offered positions IN YANUKOVICH'S GOVERNMENT.  They were NOT discussing a coup to remove Yanukovich from power.

a different viewpoint:

https://static.poder360.com.br/2022/02/2014-Coup-1.pdf

MM HAS NO **** CLUE WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT, ONLY THING THAT HE AND HIS FAMILY ARE GOOD AT IS SUCKING CHINESE COCK

maineman » 28 Aug 2024, 11:24 am » wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2024, 11:24 am

As I understand it, three days before the Nuland and Pyatt recorded phone call, Yanukovich had offered to include two members of the opposition in HIS government to calm the Maidan protests in Ukraine, one being that of HIS Prime Minister.  The two Americans were discussing who they thought might be the best two candidates for those offered positions IN YANUKOVICH'S GOVERNMENT.  They were NOT discussing a coup to remove Yanukovich from power.

"As you understand it." Cool story.

Share your hastily googled talking points - I could use a laugh.

You didn't settle for MY "understanding." You demanded evidence. I delivered in spades. 

Share your "understanding" (spin) of a tape that has Nuland saying **** the E.U. if they don't like what we're doing. And explain why American "diplomats" should - if your spin WERE true - be deciding who belongs in another nation's DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT. Shouldn't the people, through their representatives, decide who is in their government - not "diplomats" representing DC's interests, NOT the interests of the people of Ukraine?

Why do you despise democracy and defend its overthrow?
 
 
 

Cannonpointer » 28 Aug 2024, 11:48 am » wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2024, 11:48 am

"As you understand it." Cool story.

Share your hastily googled talking points - I could use a laugh.

You didn't settle for MY "understanding." You demanded evidence. I delivered in spades. 

Share your "understanding" (spin) of a tape that has Nuland saying **** the E.U. if they don't like what we're doing. And explain why American "diplomats" should - if your spin WERE true - be deciding who belongs in another nation's DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT. Shouldn't the people, through their representatives, decide who is in their government - not "diplomats" representing DC's interests, NOT the interests of the people of Ukraine?

Why do you despise democracy and defend its overthrow?

It was a long time ago. For all either of us knows, the opposition leadership may very well have reached out to the US and the EU for assistance in managing the crisis. It certainly wasn't the US that overthrew the Ukraine government, as you have previously claimed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agreement ... in_Ukraine

Cannonpointer » 28 Aug 2024, 11:48 am » wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2024, 11:48 am

Why do you despise democracy and defend its overthrow?

Says the guy who supported the J6 insurrectionists who tried to do just that!    

That's some funny **** right there!!!